http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=50508
Just wondering what other people thought..
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=50508
Just wondering what other people thought..
I agree with Opeth that they should have given it back.
they should have gave it back. This happen on bahamut before, Wayfayer got the pull on fafnir and it went unclaimed and another ls chi blasted and started to kill fafnir. About 10 minutes later that linkshell left and gave fafnir back.
they claimed at exact same time...or withing 0.0000000000000001 seconds differant. Hate was on the voker and with shadowbind it becomes a mpk.... so both won claim and should have rolled to see who gets... but then that of couse requires civility.
shadowbind is wierd.
when someone uses shadowbind, it doesn't get interuppted.. so you can use it on a yellow mob, but when it becomes claimed, it will still go through. and then it will transfer claim to the rng. technically, the only way he could have shadowbound it, was if he used shadowbind before it became claimed, but stelvia voked before it went off. what makes all of this even harder to deal with, the chat log will only show shadowbind after its used, not when its being readied. so, those LSs should come to a general consesus regarding shadowbind pulls, even if it is rare. its very hard to voke inbetween the time it takes for shadowbind to go off, but it is possible.
I'd have to say the RNG won claim. Go level ranger and test shadowbind before you cry that the provokes were first. Shadowbind is instant claim as soon as you see the animation, yet doesn't show up in the logs untill a few seconds after it takes affect.
As for why it hit the pld first, It was bound... I don't see how that 100% says he had hate first other then his dumbass was right underneath it.
this exact thing happened to me in a party in valley of sorrows. There were 3 parties there and we were fighting for claims and i claimed a Peryton with shadowbind but the other party's warrior voked it while my animation for getting my bow was happening and then the bind animation came up and i got the claim back. The guy almost died since hate was so fucked with his voke and him getting healed.
My personal opinion is that if something like this occurs within literally a second of something spawning it is not a KS. There has been no real hate established and its not being taken with any malicious intent. Thats not even mentioning the fact that on something like Fafnir you need to get into position, potentially sleep if you are undermanned at the spawn time to get ready, possible Darter links from a missed pull etc. and it can be very hard to check the logs to find out what exactly happened.
To me KSing someone is a malicious thing to do, in a case like this its simply bad luck on the part of the 1st linkshell but the 2nd linkshell didn't really do anything wrong since they never endangered the 1st linkshell as they had no chance to really build up hate in that split second they had claim.
AIM log:
Mrzifear5 (5:38:17 PM): hey
Opeth 013 (5:38:21 PM): hey
Opeth 013 (5:38:26 PM): do you see the SS?
Opeth 013 (5:39:42 PM): its obvious we got first claim, for whateve rreason someone else was able to shadowbind it
Opeth 013 (5:40:10 PM): and if you kill it, it will be considered a steal kill
Mrzifear5 (5:42:35 PM): Opeth. we are going to kill it. I am sorry SE has problems with their mob targeting. its not like we were stading there spaming on you. it just poped and i saw all them go at the same time. i did not write the sofware
Opeth 013 (5:42:58 PM): you just made a big mistake
Mrzifear5 (5:44:25 PM): my deepest apologies for the desing mistakes of SE. its a not a problem i made
Opeth 013 (5:44:30 PM): **** off
Mrzifear5 (5:44:55 PM): no need to be rude. its just a game
Opeth 013 (5:46:27 PM): so if it goes unclaimed while you are fighting it
Opeth 013 (5:46:31 PM): then it is a SE problem
Opeth 013 (5:46:32 PM): right?
Opeth 013 (5:46:35 PM): not ur fault it goes unclaimed
Opeth 013 (5:46:39 PM): so we will voke it
Opeth 013 (5:46:52 PM): is this correct?
Mrzifear5 (5:47:01 PM): dude you know its not a big deal
Opeth 013 (5:47:09 PM): yeah then leave
Mrzifear5 (5:47:10 PM): and why start a fight over it
Opeth 013 (5:47:16 PM): IF ITS NOT A BIG DEAL
OpethL 013 (5:47:19 PM): THEN LEAVE
Mrzifear5 (5:48:00 PM): dude, relax man, its just a game. people are just here to have fun, let them have their fu
Mrzifear5 (5:48:05 PM): fun*
Opeth 013 (5:48:31 PM): binding darters on you and training spiders is fun for me
Mrzifear5 (5:49:19 PM): dude why do you care so much. what could you need from it. its not Nidhogg.
Opeth 013 (5:49:38 PM): we need ridill, hroitti, a feet, n head, e hands
Mrzifear5 (5:50:09 PM): as do we
Opeth 013 (5:50:19 PM): so what the fukc is ur point
Mrzifear5 (5:50:55 PM): it will be there tomorrw its not the end of the world. i think you are really trying to blow this out of proption
LOL
Even if Opeth's LS won it, he is still a loser who needs to get a life.
Lets see, from what I can tell, you basically said: Too bad, we have claim, doesn't matter if you got it first. You are welcome to have a 1% chance tomorrow at claiming him if you want but in the meantime I am going to keep acting as if 3 hours of a whole linkshell's worth of time means absolutely nothing to me as long as it isn't my linkshell's time.Originally Posted by aurik
If claim hate is traded within .0000000000001 seconds of the spawn i really dont think thats stealing............
Who the fuck is "you"? get a clue, i'm on asura, home of inflation and gil sellers, not carbuncle or shiva or whatever backwater server this happened on. Seriously, this is a game, please remove the head stuck up your ass.
Agreed.Originally Posted by aurik