WHM/NIN DD viability...

[Atreides]

So... I can't help notice that S-E added quite a bit of WHM melee gear in the last update. Talking with some fellow WHMs and LS mates I have to wonder about the feasibility of WHM as a DD in xp parties. Here's some stuff I came up with...

WHM Skills @ 75:
Club B+ (256)
Shield D (210)
Eva E (200)

Elvaan WHM base stats @ 75
HP 1083
MP 576
Defense 125
STR 66
DEX 56
VIT 64
AGI 56
INT 58
MND 74
CHR 66

So... we get decent STR and excellent MND, which lends itself well to certain weaponskills (Black Halo for example). Main WSs would be Black Halo (2 hits, dmg determined by TP), Hexa Strike (6 hits, chance for crit determined by TP), Judgement (dmg determined by TP).

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WHM/NIN gear at 75:

WEAPON - I'm not really sure about this... what's good for main and what's good for offhand?

Darksteel Maul +1, dmg40 dly334 (dps 11.98), Attack+12
Purgatory Mace, dmg41 dly324 (dps 12.65), STR+3 MND+3 Additional Effect: Stun
Sea Robber Cudgel, dmg42 dly340 (dps 12.35), MND+5 Accuracy-5 Attack+15
Morgenstern (unlocked), dmg40 dly310 (dps 12.90), Critical Hit Rate+6%

Martial Wand (for Black Halo?), dmg35 dly290 (dps 12.07) TP Bonus
Seawolf Cudgel, dmg40 dly340 (dps 11.76), STR+5 Accuracy+15 Attack-5

I'm leaning towards saying Morgenstern and Sea Robber Cudgel would be best...


AMMO

Tiphia Sting, HP-25 Accuracy+2 Attack+2 Evasion -4


HEAD

Optical Hat, Accuracy +10 R.Accuracy+10 Evasion+10


NECK

Grand Temple Knight's Collar, Def7 Attack+5 Accuracy+5

For non-San d'Orian's
Spike Necklace, STR+3 DEX+3 MND-6
Tiger Stole, Def2 Attack+5


EAR

Suppanomimi, AGI+2 Enhances Dual Wield Effect

not really sure about other ear, or both for people who didnt choose this from DM...

Fenrir's Earring, Day: Attack+10 Night: R.Attack+10
Triumph Earring, STR+2
Merman's Earring, Attack+6 Evasion-4 Magic Damage Taken-2%
Spike Earring, Attack+5 Evasion-5

Triumph + Merman's with Fenrir switched in during the day for those without Suppanomimi?
Suppanomimi + Merman's otherwise?


BODY

Reverend Mail, Def50 MP-25 MND-5 Accuracy+10 Evasion+10

Noble's Tunic (Adds Refresh Effect, Cure Potency+10%) for between pulls or backup curing without losing TP


HANDS

Blessed Mitts, Def18 MP+15 MND+7 Enmity-3 Haste+5% (Blessed Mitts+1 are 6% Haste)
Healer's Mitts, Def13 STR+5 Healing Magic+15 Enmity-4, Macro in for WS


RING

Flame Ring, Def3 STR+5 INT+2 MND-2 (maybe get HQ ruby to avoid MND loss?)
Sniper Ring+1, Def-12 Accuracy+7 R.Accuracy+7


BACK - I wasn't really sure what to do here... I figure there's not a lot of options unless you want to wear dmg- gear

Bellicose Mantle, Def3 HP-10 Attack+6
Royal Army Mantle, Def9 STR+2 MND+2

Hexerei Cape, Def5 MP+8 Dmg Taken-3% (for solo)


WAIST

Life Belt, Accuracy+10


LEGS

Blessed Trousers, Def32 MP+25 MND+6 Haste+3% Enmity-5 (Blessed Trousers+1 have 4% Haste)


FEET

Blessed Pumps, Def14 MP+17 Haste+2% Enmity-4 (Blessed Pumps+1 have 3% Haste)

Rostrum Pumps, Def20 HP-30 MP+30 INT+3 MND+3 Enhances Fast Cast Effect (for soloing utsu cast time down)



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Final Stats with equipment in green:


HP 1048
MP 608

Defense 233
Attack +29
Accuracy +34
Evasion 212

STR 66 +10 (+5 WS)
DEX 56 +3
VIT 64
AGI 56
INT 58 +2
MND 74 +5
CHR 66

Magic Damage Taken -3%, Enmity -12, Haste +10%, Critical Hit Rate+6%

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Pros:
+Can MB off own skillchain
+Self haste, self/backup cure, status removal
+Can slap on a dia (or banish for KRT) before SC

Cons:
+With Enmity-12 it's next to impossible to turn the mob for SATA
+Not viable for HNM/Gods but then again, we can just go as our primary job

Any thoughts on this? Solo onry? Viable in KRT or just a pipe dream?

[Kuai]

what

[Atreides]

[DeliriumII]

Id prolly go:
main: purgatory
off: kraken club
I guess tiphia sting if whm can use it, never looked
head: optical
neck: peacock charm
earrings: suppanomimi and a triumph
body: Flora Cotehardie
hands: blessed mitts+1
rings: toreador's and a flame ring
back: royal army mantle I suppose
waist: ocean sash(im hume)
legs blessed trousers+1
feet: blessed pumps+1

Im fairly sure hexa strike is str and mnd based, so that gear gives a fairly balanced amount of both.

I've actually melee'd aura statues at the top of ru'avitau with my whm gear during some xp pts. It wasn't really hard to hit them then, I just had such low str that I wasnt hitting for much.

[Totien]

I always tell the tank to line up with any mage that melees so I can SATA on them.

[Zigma]

wanna talk about DD whm? ask Jerle


He pulled serket as whm/nin (beating everyone) and solo'd it to 60% with spirit taker with blessed gear until ppl came kill it with him lol


Never in any danger

[Marcatil]

Atre I wonder if Aianna is having a hay day with this new Reverand Mail XD Fairy's greatest DD WHM >.>

[Moggy]

lol they added a normal hit instrument for bard acc+3, att+3
already have my WS instrument with str +6 song latented

i dunno too much about melee whm's but they don't have a lot of att+ or str+ gear to choose from

i can list a bard/nin DD tho

weapon : blau dolce, joyeuse
range : the funny horn with acc+3, att+3, switch str+6 for WS
head : that new haste +2% head, optical hat, dusk mask, hecatomb for WS
neck : peacock charm, spike necklace, auditory torque
ear : minuet earring, whatever attack earring
body : bard AF2 (att+18, str+8,vit+8,dex+8,agi+8), maybe hecatomb or osode for WS, or assault jerkin
hands : alky bracelets, dusk gloves, hecatomb hands
rings : ur usual DD rings maybe that new str+5,dex+5 at level 75
back : forger's mantle
belt : warwolf belt or haste+6
leg : AF legs have str+5, dusk legs, hecatomb, byyako haidaite
feet : hecatomb, dusk

i think of the mage class bard has by far the most powerful DD equip and in exp PT most likely singing dual minuet for 126 att, eat some sushi, i hit IT demons at ul(tab) range for 50-60 per and 400-600 WS and of course ev(tab) can end darkness SC o.obb

[Ambir]

wanna talk about DD whm? ask Jerle


He pulled serket as whm/nin (beating everyone) and solo'd it to 60% with spirit taker with blessed gear until ppl came kill it with him lol


Never in any danger

And it's really great in an experience party....

...if you don't mind taking 20 minutes to kill the mob...

[Orfeo]

Why not invite a MNK?

Hell WAR/MNK with caped hand to hand.

[Lordwafik]

range : the funny horn with acc+3, att+3, switch str+6 for WS

I thought you lose TP when you swap bard instruments?

[Zigma]

wanna talk about DD whm? ask Jerle


He pulled serket as whm/nin (beating everyone) and solo'd it to 60% with spirit taker with blessed gear until ppl came kill it with him lol


Never in any danger

And it's really great in an experience party....

...if you don't mind taking 20 minutes to kill the mob...

http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/1870/question8um.jpg

[Nachtigal]

WHM/NIN would do nothing against VT-IT. If you wanted to actually melee DD as whm, WHM/DRK would far surpass anything else. I would use Purgatory Mace or Morgenstern, and Dominus Shield. As far as other gear, I would definitely want Prudence Torque (+7 club skill) and full acc gear. Substituting something like Flame Ring for a Sniper isn't worth it, whm has the worst dex ever, and has a very hard time hitting IT's with B+ club skill. I would use hexa, since black halo isn't worth it unless you have sneak attack and 300 tp really. Souleater hexa is a very strong combination. Souleater also boosts your accuracy, so you hit much more often and for a lot more (great for hexa on VT/IT, sub nin you rarely hit a 5-6 hexa). For WS gear, I would leave on all acc gear, and just substitute str gear in for w/e else you have if you could (healer's mitts in place of blessed mitts for example). You also have a fairly good chance of absorbing MND with /DRK sub. I succeed about half the time.

Here's an example of WHM/DRK (was farming water with a thf and smn)

http://home.westman.wave.ca/~ffxi/Nach/hexa.JPG

I know club gets a bonus to pots, but I think it's pretty impressive for a whm to do that on a VT nonetheless. Normal melee with souleater on was insane on the pots as well, with normal hits doing 120-150, and I would crit for over 200 -.-. I was using Morgenstern in that pic btw.

More hacked SE/LR hexas:

http://home.westman.wave.ca/~ffxi/Nach/1500.JPG

Purgatory mace for that shot. Beadeaux coffer mob, not bad :O (I also got the scroll we were farming for to drop in that shot ;x)

I had a shot of my highest hexa (2124) on a too weak pot in fei'yen, but I can't find it. :\ I've yet to try breaking it since I've gotten Purgatory, but I actually think Morgenstern may be a better hexa mace due to the increased crit hit rate. Of course I'm not sure if that applies to WS's though.

Anyway, any whm interested in melee should definitely level up a drk sub. I love subbing it on random raids/helping friends. You can really put up some good damage ;D

[Gregorio]

range : the funny horn with acc+3, att+3, switch str+6 for WS

I thought you lose TP when you swap bard instruments?

Nope, you keep it.

[Moggy]

range : the funny horn with acc+3, att+3, switch str+6 for WS

I thought you lose TP when you swap bard instruments?

nope i get to keep my TP, which is interesting, rng's lose TP when they switch rng weapons?

[cravy]

as taru whm/nin i would use

purgatory+kraken, 2 flame rings(or triumphs), gigant mantle, creek m mitts. creek m clomps, blessed trousers, optical hat, reverned(sp) mail, cassie earring, & waetoto's earring, + peacock charm

[Marcatil]

range : the funny horn with acc+3, att+3, switch str+6 for WS

I thought you lose TP when you swap bard instruments?

nope i get to keep my TP, which is interesting, rng's lose TP when they switch rng weapons?

The bow I think so, but the arrow I don't think so. 'Course I don't play RNG, so what the hell do I know? :D

[Moggy]

yeah but instrument goes in range slot not ammo XD

[Demetrio$]

editedlolz

[Atreides]

whm get an E in evasion ; ;