Central Temenos NM's...

[Palin]

Spend 80 million on a weapon to use dual axes

[quote:4bee8]it'd cost her over 300m if she would buy all currencies from asura.

Coins = 30-50k -_-

Well considering full upgrade is ABOUT 18,000 coins... you're looking at more like in the range of 540,000,000 - 900,000,000g.(yes.. almost 1 billion gil) Lol.. where you getting 80mil from?[/quote:4bee8]

Sue me my numbers are scewed at 2 AM 8)

Most people on my server buy currency from their Dynamis LS at a VERY reduced cost(4k if bought from LS bank), therefore yes, my first number I pulled out of my ass was a lot lower than it should have been. I appologize.

[Nikko]

what else does horn do exactly other than free up 15 inventory slots for a brd and extra MP on ballad ??

For ls's that tank things with pld, they normally have 2xpld 1xrdm 1xbrd. Thats 6mp/tic, and its decent to hold up during things like wyrms. but anyone who uses this set up, imagine if brds only had ballad2, and refresh did not exist, so you are losing 4mp/tic. In short, it would no longer be possible to tank things w/ PLDs.

Thats what the relic horn adds.. 4 mp/tic. Try out some events with no refresh allowed, and no ballad 1 allowed.. then see how much easier it is when you allow those things, and you should be able to see how much of a difference the horn would make for the entire ls.

When melee's do a little less DMG, things take 20-30 min longer to die.

When mages run out of MP, you lose.

[Genosync]

what else does horn do exactly other than free up 15 inventory slots for a brd and extra MP on ballad ??

For ls's that tank things with pld, they normally have 2xpld 1xrdm 1xbrd. Thats 6mp/tic, and its decent to hold up during things like wyrms. but anyone who uses this set up, imagine if brds only had ballad2, and refresh did not exist, so you are losing 4mp/tic. In short, it would no longer be possible to tank things w/ PLDs.

Thats what the relic horn adds.. 4 mp/tic. Try out some events with no refresh allowed, and no ballad 1 allowed.. then see how much easier it is when you allow those things, and you should be able to see how much of a difference the horn would make for the entire ls.

When melee's do a little less DMG, things take 20-30 min longer to die.

When mages run out of MP, you lose.

The answer to every question in the game is PLD/NIN.

Period. PLD/NIN can live off of 3mp/tick.

[Nikko]

The answer to every question in the game is PLD/NIN.

Period. PLD/NIN can live off of 3mp/tick.

Yah and every mob in the game can be defeated without any relic... i'd like to see any pld/nin's say 10mp/tick wont make it dramatically easier for the group than 3mp/tick.

[Demetrios]

Perhaps a PLD/NIN can live off of 3 MP/tick, like one can live off bread and water. I want filet mignon. Period.

Edit: I suck at French

[Epical]

Perhaps a PLD/NIN can live off of 3 MP/tick, like one can live off bread and water. I want fillet minyon. Period.

This is possibly one of the best sig-quotables ever posted. You win teh prize.

[layoneil]

if you're going to quote it, it's spelled "Filet Mignon"

[Epical]

I just made Demetrios look smart. =D

[NynJa]

what else does horn do exactly other than free up 15 inventory slots for a brd and extra MP on ballad ??

For ls's that tank things with pld, they normally have 2xpld 1xrdm 1xbrd. Thats 6mp/tic, and its decent to hold up during things like wyrms. but anyone who uses this set up, imagine if brds only had ballad2, and refresh did not exist, so you are losing 4mp/tic. In short, it would no longer be possible to tank things w/ PLDs.

Lol ?? "Imagine if brd's only had ballad 2 and theres no refresh". Guess what hombre, this imaginary world of yours, it doesn't exist. There IS ballad 1+2 and there IS refresh.

Guess what...In this "imaginary" world of yours, /thf doesn't exist. That's right, Trick Attack is level 38 so your pld/nin's arent getting any hate assistance from melee/thf.

What relevance does that have to relic horn ?? As much relevance as an imaginary world with only 1 Ballad and no refresh....Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.


Now, once again...what exactly does Gjallarhorn do other than an extra 2 ticks on ballad and free up 15 inventory slots for a bard ?? If thats the only thing that sets Gjallarhorn from everything else and deems it the "only relic worth upgrading", then relics seriously are a waste of time...unless I've completely missed something.

[layoneil]

If thats the only thing that sets Gjallarhorn from everything else and deems it the "only relic worth upgrading", then relics seriously are a waste of time

well at least you finally got it.

[Banigaru]

If you don't see why +2 to ballad is so good...then I don't think anyone can help you.

[tiberion02]

If you don't see why +2 to ballad is so good...then I don't think anyone can help you.

[Bifton]

has anyone else cleared any other floors of central temenos yet? im anxious to see what trading the 3 chips from all 3 floors yields.

My ls cleared central tower first floor. Enemies went from Vrtra Summons (Airi, Pey, etc) -> Enhanced Dragon -> Temenos Weapon -> Temenos Cleaner (spammed magic barrier -_-). Cleared it and got emerald chip? I think.

[Raineer]

If you don't see why +2 to ballad is so good...then I don't think anyone can help you.

I don't know the first thing about bard, but does the +2 on the other songs (minuet/minne/march?) they all start with M but idk what the hell any of them do.... Does it boost them at all or is it just duration?

Added: Pretty sure at 10mp/tick that a PLD/NIN has a damn good chance of replacing a WHM in the party by curing others in the alliance too (wing spam/whateva), thereby letting the melees and mages go even more insane and more important get the fuck out of aery/attowa/wherever faster and back to more pitchfork events.

[layoneil]

I don't know the first thing about bard, but does the +2 on the other songs (minuet/minne/march?) they all start with M but idk what the hell any of them do.... Does it boost them at all or is it just duration?

always duration, sometimes potency.

[NynJa]

If you don't see why +2 to ballad is so good...then I don't think anyone can help you.

compared to:
-add effect dmg from sword.
-(rumored) 20hp/tick poison on dagger...problematic if your LS needs to sleep stuff, but if you need to consistantly sleep stuff, you have other things to worry about.
-double light SkillChain that enhances MB damage (certain I read this in the Jaypee-Bravura thread, could of just been thunder weather).

[Khamsin]

I think the real topic we should be discussing is why the NM's name is Pee Qoho the Python.

[Demetrios]

Look at the screenshot that Russta posted, NynJa. He/she's dual wielding, not using that 300,000,000G Great Axe. There must be something lacking about it.

[Rawk]

-double light SkillChain that enhances MB damage (certain I read this in the Jaypee-Bravura thread, could of just been thunder weather).

We did 4-5 double lights on Fafnir last night and even though I have filters on, the BLMs were saying that their damage went up a bit. I don't know if it was extra burst damage or lack of resistance though.

[Rawk]

Look at the screenshot that Russta posted, NynJa. He/she's dual wielding, not using that 300,000,000G Great Axe. There must be something lacking about it.

Our WAR said that he does more damage in exp parties and vs mobs that would normally die fast anyway with the Ridill/1h axe combo, but he like Bravura on HNMs so far. I guess he & Jaypee have to give us more info.