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  1. #1
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    Diabolos broken...kind of.

    Diabolos is not effected by -BP Timer equipment. Tested this in Qufim last night. With my gear, my BP timer should be 50 secs. It was 50 secs for all avatars except Diabolos. No matter what BP I did, my timer started at 60.

    Not a major issue, but an issue none the less. The -BP timer gear is either expensive, or rare/ex and hard as hell to get.

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    Does a Himmel Stock add BP delay for Diabolos?

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    I got a interesting test, has anyone tried Nightmare -> Sleepga2 -> Nightmare -> sleepga2 -> Nightmare.

    I was told this works O_o

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    I heard Sleep II/sleepga II overwrite Nightmare, but wear off instantly because of Bio effect...if it's stupid, it's retarded (but kinda logic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    I heard Sleep II/sleepga II overwrite Nightmare, but wear off instantly because of Bio effect...if it's stupid, it's retarded (but kinda logic).
    i never understood how something could be slept and also have a DoT, SE really didn't think this one through, since it would be i think the first time this contradiction has been established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrick
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    I heard Sleep II/sleepga II overwrite Nightmare, but wear off instantly because of Bio effect...if it's stupid, it's retarded (but kinda logic).
    i never understood how something could be slept and also have a DoT, SE really didn't think this one through, since it would be i think the first time this contradiction has been established.
    Well, wouldn't you consider it a nightmare if you were taking Bio damage and couldn't wake up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrick
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    I heard Sleep II/sleepga II overwrite Nightmare, but wear off instantly because of Bio effect...if it's stupid, it's retarded (but kinda logic).
    i never understood how something could be slept and also have a DoT, SE really didn't think this one through, since it would be i think the first time this contradiction has been established.
    lol that's why it's a special move. that was the only thing even remotely difficult about the diabolos fight in CoP mission was surviving nightmare.

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    Although an oddity.....

    Nightmare will sleep and DoT undead mobs...figure that one out (not complaining btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleveland
    Although an oddity.....

    Nightmare will sleep and DoT undead mobs...figure that one out (not complaining btw).
    Which undead mob? If it was a ghost, it's understanble as those are sleepable with black magic.

    When my friend tried nightmare on a skeleton in Qufim, nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrick
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    I heard Sleep II/sleepga II overwrite Nightmare, but wear off instantly because of Bio effect...if it's stupid, it's retarded (but kinda logic).
    i never understood how something could be slept and also have a DoT, SE really didn't think this one through, since it would be i think the first time this contradiction has been established.

    Storywise, I don't have trouble understanding why diabolos use skill that deal damage while you sleep.

    Battlewise, it's just how it was programmed. Don't need to think too much about it. Basically, it's an AoE that deal 2 status. One is a normal Bio, while other is Sleep 1 v2.01 where a few parameters were changed. It uses sleep icon and description but it's a different effect.

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    I'm just glad I can sleep people in ballista now even if they have poison pots on. Oh and I remember in the fight with him if you get hit with Nightmare you wont wake up so even more fun. I give it about 4 days before this gets nerfed btw.

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    For the record the Bio from the Nightmare effect in Diabolos fight is 38hp/tick.

    That's alot of fucking DoT (i think equal to Bio3). Can anyone check this on a normal mob? Shouldn't be hard to find something with 200hp and see if it dies in 6 ticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Well, wouldn't you consider it a nightmare if you were taking Bio damage and couldn't wake up?
    lol good point. i'm no where near the diablos thingy, i think i'm on riv. B01 or something so storywise i'm clueless about the nightmare deal, just game mechanics i think is strange.

    Kuno makes a good ballista point though, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    Basically, it's an AoE that deal 2 status. One is a normal Bio, while other is Sleep 1 v2.01 where a few parameters were changed. It uses sleep icon and description but it's a different effect.

    I think Diablos' sleep could be considered more towards petrify/stun/immoblize even though it uses the sleep icon since it DoT's you and as such SHOULD wake you up. Although that's just me making an excuse for SE sucking.

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    It's in the sleep series since Sleep II overwrite it afaik. I don't see why this particular sleep should wake you up...it's not a rule or anything.

    We could start complaining about goblin using 2 different WS named Bomb Toss but it's kinda pointless >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    It's in the sleep series since Sleep II overwrite it afaik. I don't see why this particular sleep should wake you up...it's not a rule or anything.

    We could start complaining about goblin using 2 different WS named Bomb Toss but it's kinda pointless >_>
    Well... Sleep II will overwrite Horde Lulliby (done it a billion times in Dynamis), so it does not technically mean they are all the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineer
    For the record the Bio from the Nightmare effect in Diabolos fight is 38hp/tick.

    That's alot of fucking DoT (i think equal to Bio3). Can anyone check this on a normal mob? Shouldn't be hard to find something with 200hp and see if it dies in 6 ticks.
    When I did it with 30SMN sub, the bio effect was extremely weak. It barely took off life from the lv0 mobs outside towns. When my lv75SMN friend tried nightmare on a crab in Qufim, it didn't appear that the bio effect improved at all. Definately not as strong as my Poison II.

    The cool thing about Nightmare is that afterward you can put on 3 elemental DoTs and Poison II and watch something die helplessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivlakian
    The cool thing about Nightmare is that afterward you can put on 3 elemental DoTs and Poison II and watch something die helplessly.
    Definately the best... btw thank you for the info about the tests

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    When you fight diabolos... from the few failed attemps that I remember log looked something like this:

    Diabolos readies Nightmare.
    [everyone is asleep]
    Diabolos starts casting Sleepga II.
    Diabolos's Sleepga II has no effect on ...
    no effect on ...
    no effect on ...
    no effect on ...
    no effect on ...
    no effect on ...


    You're sure Sleepga II overwrites it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    It's in the sleep series since Sleep II overwrite it afaik. I don't see why this particular sleep should wake you up...it's not a rule or anything.

    We could start complaining about goblin using 2 different WS named Bomb Toss but it's kinda pointless >_>
    Well... Sleep II will overwrite Horde Lulliby (done it a billion times in Dynamis), so it does not technically mean they are all the same thing.

    Well, if Sleep II overwrite lullaby, it mean they ARE in the same series of status (ie: sleep series).

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