If you can wear Homam gear, your job sucks.

[Stilgar]

Or at least that's the impression I get playing FFXI. All I ever hear from people who play pld/drk/thf/drg as their main job is about how shitty their lives are. Well, this isn't without cause, is it? Most of these jobs are continually passed over for PT slots at endgame where speedkill and mana/avatar burn pts are the name of the game.

I want to pose a question to the readership of this forum; people who actually know things about how this game works. Provided this is all not just a figment of my imagination, where do you think the problem lies here? Did SE make shit jobs, or does the playerbase not know how to use them properly, or is it that we players refuse to use them because they gimp xp/hour?

And how will whatever new jobs added in the next expansion effect the current situation?

[Sidd]

who really cares? if u don't like the job, don't play it.

[Koyangi]

It's more the mentality of how people know how to use a job vs. it just plain sucking, you ever see 2-3 thf's get together in LufaiseMds and tear shit up? There will always be some job who can get the best exp/hr, but the game focuses on teamwork in the grand scale, Alliance HNm fights for example, and any job can have its uses.

[Demetrios]

PLD isn't gimp for HNMs. They're pretty shitty for EXP, but a PLD/NIN with Joyuse + Justice sword could probably put out some respectable damage on Decorative Weapons.

DRK isn't gimp for HNMs. Souleater Kraken club is one of the most powerful forms of damage in this game. Even without the 200 million gil play toy, a DRK can do 1500-1900 WSes on COP Wyrms.

Drg sucks for HNMs. THFs made good cheerleaders.

Honestly if you take any melee with pimped out in str, acc, haste, and attack gear they will hold their own in merit point PT. WARs will do it better, but no one's going to kill themselves over getting 8k an hour in NIN DRG DRG DRG BRD RDM pt instead of of 10k an hour in a WAR WAR WAR WAR RDM BRD pt. I'm guessing you could probably perk the interest of your BRD if you suggested odd PT setups like these... 3 DRK PT!!! <_<

[Lordwafik]

I like having a pld , even in roaming pt's theyre not too bad, since the mobs die too fast for the pld to use any serious MP. I'd never take them to weapons though, they're nice on aerns, dunno about Uleguard/Lufaise.

But it's nice healing one person instead of 3

[Gafgarionn]

Pretty much every exp mob you fight is best done with burn style parties (WAR/NINx3, RDM, BRD, WHM; BLM parties, etc.). I don't think there's really any way around that, but if SE were to implement more ENMs and gave them higher EXP rewards so that they were actually a viable alternative to standard EXP parties, other jobs would find use. For example, some ENMs have to be tanked by PLD, while others by NIN. They should expand this and create a list of them that are specifically designed for certain jobs. Lame example, but for one you might have to have a Dragoon use Jump on the mob before you can damage it further.

Just an idea.

[Eaglestrike]

I have yet to be outparsed by a war, mnk or any other job in a sky pt roaming on Deco weapons. I've also exp'd against Annihilator and won (well, with bard he won, without brd I won...)

THF can be a very strong DoT job for WS Spam parties if they know how to gear. I just wish I could find stronger war's and mnk's to weigh myself against, I know I'm better than your average war or mnk but I want to see how bad the 'best' beat me by.

Also, Homam and Nashira is the counter set to the God gear (Osode/Haidate, etc).

[Gafgarionn]

I like having a pld , even in roaming pt's theyre not too bad, since the mobs die too fast for the pld to use any serious MP. I'd never take them to weapons though, they're nice on aerns, dunno about Uleguard/Lufaise.

But it's nice healing one person instead of 3

I've pulled 6k/hr in a weapon party using all tanking gear on my PLD... Probably not impressive for you burners, but for us PLDs that are used to 4k/hr, it was pretty nice. I'm sure if I brought a better DD set up and gone /NIN it would've been better.

[Daahan]

the transgression of this thread will proceed as follows:

Argument between which melee is the best >>> argument between whether pld or nin is the better tank >>> argument between which is the better DD: BLM or WAR >>> some dude will claim that homam is best fitted on drg >>> gay porn >>> straight people's attempt to counter the gay porn with straight porn >>> more gay porn >>> after 2 weeks the thread will be revived with some dude who will post late about the pld vs. nin argument.

[Koyangi]

the transgression of this thread will proceed as follows:

Argument between which melee is the best >>> argument between whether pld or nin is the better tank >>> argument between which is the better DD: BLM or WAR >>> some dude will claim that homam is best fitted on drg >>> gay porn >>> straight people's attempt to counter the gay porn with straight porn >>> more gay porn >>> after 2 weeks the thread will be revived with some dude who will post late about the pld vs. nin argument.

win

[Darm]

PLD isn't gimp for HNMs. They're pretty shitty for EXP, but a PLD/NIN with Joyuse + Justice sword could probably put out some respectable damage on Decorative Weapons.

DRK isn't gimp for HNMs. Souleater Kraken club is one of the most powerful forms of damage in this game. Even without the 200 million gil play toy, a DRK can do 1500-1900 WSes on COP Wyrms.

Drg sucks for HNMs. THFs made good cheerleaders.

Honestly if you take any melee with pimped out in str, acc, haste, and attack gear they will hold their own in merit point PT. WARs will do it better, but no one's going to kill themselves over getting 8k an hour in NIN DRG DRG DRG BRD RDM pt instead of of 10k an hour in a WAR WAR WAR WAR RDM BRD pt. I'm guessing you could probably perk the interest of your BRD if you suggested odd PT setups like these... 3 DRK PT!!! <_<

Souleater Ridill is a decent substitute for those of us who can't afford Kraken Clubs;;.

[Ankiseth]

Pretty much every exp mob you fight is best done with burn style parties (WAR/NINx3, RDM, BRD, WHM; BLM parties, etc.). I don't think there's really any way around that, but if SE were to implement more ENMs and gave them higher EXP rewards so that they were actually a viable alternative to standard EXP parties, other jobs would find use. For example, some ENMs have to be tanked by PLD, while others by NIN. They should expand this and create a list of them that are specifically designed for certain jobs. Lame example, but for one you might have to have a Dragoon use Jump on the mob before you can damage it further.

Just an idea.

PLDs are needed to tank ENMs? Huh?

But people just complain if they don't enjoy their job. I know some PLDs who just plain love PLD and nothing will take that away. Hell I love making them tank for me so I can rip hate and enjoy myself, so they do have a purpose in exp parties too >.>

[Heian]

I like having a pld , even in roaming pt's theyre not too bad, since the mobs die too fast for the pld to use any serious MP. I'd never take them to weapons though, they're nice on aerns, dunno about Uleguard/Lufaise.

But it's nice healing one person instead of 3

Then I'm coming to your server and capping my EXP

[Razz]

PLD is useful for HNMs, but that doesn't mean it isn't obsolete, since NIN can do everything they can, and more.

PLD really needs something special for 90% of the LSes to get away from their existing NIN formations...

[Sidd]

the transgression of this thread will proceed as follows:

Argument between which melee is the best >>> argument between whether pld or nin is the better tank >>> argument between which is the better DD: BLM or WAR >>> some dude will claim that homam is best fitted on drg >>> gay porn >>> straight people's attempt to counter the gay porn with straight porn >>> more gay porn >>> after 2 weeks the thread will be revived with some dude who will post late about the pld vs. nin argument.

PLD is useful for HNMs, but that doesn't mean it isn't obsolete, since NIN can do everything they can, and more.

PLD really needs something special for 90% of the LSes to get away from their existing NIN formations...

waiting for the gay pron.

[Koga]

the transgression of this thread will proceed as follows:

Argument between which melee is the best >>> argument between whether pld or nin is the better tank >>> argument between which is the better DD: BLM or WAR >>> some dude will claim that homam is best fitted on drg >>> gay porn >>> straight people's attempt to counter the gay porn with straight porn >>> more gay porn >>> after 2 weeks the thread will be revived with some dude who will post late about the pld vs. nin argument.

PLD is useful for HNMs, but that doesn't mean it isn't obsolete, since NIN can do everything they can, and more.

PLD really needs something special for 90% of the LSes to get away from their existing NIN formations...

waiting for the gay pron.

._.

[Anyway]

STOP, YOU HAVE A THREAD

[divisortheory]

I have yet to be outparsed by a war, mnk or any other job in a sky pt roaming on Deco weapons. I've also exp'd against Annihilator and won (well, with bard he won, without brd I won...)

As dumb as Nynjaa is most of the time, he's right on the money when he says you just are parsing against a really fucked up set of WARs. I figure our gear is about the same. Same merits minus like 1 dagger merit. I'm using a Blau and Garuda's. Brutal Earring, Rajas Ring, Homam Corazza and Cosciales, blah blah blah, I get completely destroyed by our LS Ridill WAR. I don't care what you equip me with, I'm just not ever going to get close to those numbers, period.

[Eaglestrike]

As dumb as Nynjaa is most of the time, he's right on the money when he says you just are parsing against a really fucked up set of WARs. I figure our gear is about the same. Same merits minus like 1 dagger merit. I'm using a Blau and Garuda's. Brutal Earring, Rajas Ring, Homam Corazza and Cosciales, blah blah blah, I get completely destroyed by our LS Ridill WAR. I don't care what you equip me with, I'm just not ever going to get close to those numbers, period.

Garuda's is weak. Do you use tp at 100% every time unless it'll kill the mob? I haven't been able to exp with a Ridill war, there aren't many Ridill's among NA's on my server to begin with. But no mnk or war has been able to out DD me yet. And I don't mean to claim THF is UBER DD. Just saying that thf can hold its own in a party replacing a regular war and can do better.

[divisortheory]

As dumb as Nynjaa is most of the time, he's right on the money when he says you just are parsing against a really fucked up set of WARs. I figure our gear is about the same. Same merits minus like 1 dagger merit. I'm using a Blau and Garuda's. Brutal Earring, Rajas Ring, Homam Corazza and Cosciales, blah blah blah, I get completely destroyed by our LS Ridill WAR. I don't care what you equip me with, I'm just not ever going to get close to those numbers, period.

Garuda's is weak. Do you use tp at 100% every time unless it'll kill the mob? I haven't been able to exp with a Ridill war, there aren't many Ridill's among NA's on my server to begin with. But no mnk or war has been able to out DD me yet. And I don't mean to claim THF is UBER DD. Just saying that thf can hold its own in a party replacing a regular war and can do better.

I agree THF can hold their own. Against non Ridill WARs I can almost keep up, but I have to really bust my ass whie they just sit there and do nothing but spam their WS every 10 seconds. I can achieve about 20% Criticals over time by using SA the second it's up, TA the second it's up, and WS the second I get 100TP. (not Stacking SA and TA with the WS, but using them solo and separately and you get much higher DoT). Garuda's is weak but I don't have a Sirocco, and other than that it's the best. Daylight Dagger would be dumb since I already parse 95% accuracy. Could do Martial/Blau combo but since DE > SB when accuracy is so high DE wins.

I'm working on finishing my dagger merit and getting a little bit more +accuracy gear in hopes that I can parse 95% without sushi. If so, I can probably match or slightly surpass most non Ridill WARs (unless they're fully merited). Ridill WAR though, just forget about it though lol. The difference in percentage after a 3 hour parse is going to be like 12-15% with you being the lower of the two.