Shadow Mantle Proc Rate?

[Ruffles]

You guys are the gurus of FFXI so I figured you would be the best people to ask.
Our linkshell took down Dynamis Lord last night (3rd run of Xarcabard) and he dropped a Shadowmantle and 100 Bill. Im just wondering if any of you know what the proc rate is or have links that you could direct me to, to read up on the item? :D

[Raineer]

It's 5%, and no it doesn't proc with shadows up despite people saying OMG IT PROC'D WITH SHADOWS UP

[chilicheese]

from what i've heard it's about 5%

[Raineh]

It's 5%, and no it doesn't proc with shadows up despite people saying OMG IT PROC'D WITH SHADOWS UP

Im confuddled, how could it proc with shadows up?
Dont you have to take dmg for it to proc?
If you have shadows you dont take dmg?

maybe im missing somthing

[Ichthyos]

Not everyone has a brain.

[Vinen]

Not everyone has a brain.

This became appearnt at the fan event after seeing how many people were failing to beat the medicore difficulty "Three Heroes" BC.

[Raineer]

It's 5%, and no it doesn't proc with shadows up despite people saying OMG IT PROC'D WITH SHADOWS UP

Im confuddled, how could it proc with shadows up?
Dont you have to take dmg for it to proc?
If you have shadows you dont take dmg?

maybe im missing somthing

Thank you.

It was a pre-emptive strike because every thread about Shadow Mantle includes some sort of account of it proc'ing with shadows up. Shadow Mantle also likes to proc several times in succession, then take a few attack rounds off to rest. This is how Mr. Mantle prefers to operate. Over time, it's 5%.

[Ichthyos]

Good info, thanks Raineer.

[Xavier]

Time to derail the thread and create a flame. Shadow Ring is better.

[Raineer]

Time to derail the thread and create a flame. Shadow Ring is better.

RDM only, for reasons I can't even begin to enumerate here

wait...

#1 I want one

ok i'm spent

[divisortheory]

There are lots of special moves that ignore shadows or go through them. If you have shadows up and you are hit with one of those moves, can the mantle proc? Example is Kreutzet's Stormwind, doesn't matter if you have shadows up, you will get hit by that move and lose all yoru shadows. Can the shadow mantle block it even though you have shadows up? What about Spirits Within, can Shadow Mantle block that?

[Septimus]

It's 5%, and no it doesn't proc with shadows up despite people saying OMG IT PROC'D WITH SHADOWS UP

Im confuddled, how could it proc with shadows up?
Dont you have to take dmg for it to proc?
If you have shadows you dont take dmg?

maybe im missing somthing

Simple, people don't understand how damage is calculated in the game.

Evasion and shadows are always evaluated first, but not everyone knows that.

[Raineer]

There are lots of special moves that ignore shadows or go through them. If you have shadows up and you are hit with one of those moves, can the mantle proc? Example is Kreutzet's Stormwind, doesn't matter if you have shadows up, you will get hit by that move and lose all yoru shadows. Can the shadow mantle block it even though you have shadows up? What about Spirits Within, can Shadow Mantle block that?

I should have clarified:

the accounts i speak of are normal melee hits, where people say it saves a shadow by proc'ing.

As for your example, yes that can happen, I should have specified

Shadow Ring

one ring to rule them all

[Ruffles]

Why is the Shadow Ring better? and does the ring have the same proc rate as the mantle?

[Eaglestrike]

There are lots of special moves that ignore shadows or go through them. If you have shadows up and you are hit with one of those moves, can the mantle proc? Example is Kreutzet's Stormwind, doesn't matter if you have shadows up, you will get hit by that move and lose all yoru shadows. Can the shadow mantle block it even though you have shadows up? What about Spirits Within, can Shadow Mantle block that?

Stormwind is magical damage. The only physical attack I can think of right now that doesn't get blocked by shadows would be a Ghrah's Sickle Slash.

[Raineer]

Why is the Shadow Ring better? and does the ring have the same proc rate as the mantle?

i was teasing, shadow ring was terrible up until tiamat was created...now it would have a very valuable place with tanks.

I would have to imagine the proc rate is the same, i just run my LS dynamis and wish I could get one (since I can't exactly argue to get a mantle over a tank lol)

[Xavier]

Why is the Shadow Ring better? and does the ring have the same proc rate as the mantle?

i was teasing, shadow ring was terrible up until tiamat was created...now it would have a very valuable place with tanks.

I would have to imagine the proc rate is the same, i just run my LS dynamis and wish I could get one (since I can't exactly argue to get a mantle over a tank lol)

The actual proc rate is the same, but its given the chance to proc a lot more. Almost every tank uses shadows, so the shadow mantle is never really given a chance to do anything.

The magic def bonus on the ring owns too on darksday.

[Raineer]

Why is the Shadow Ring better? and does the ring have the same proc rate as the mantle?

i was teasing, shadow ring was terrible up until tiamat was created...now it would have a very valuable place with tanks.

I would have to imagine the proc rate is the same, i just run my LS dynamis and wish I could get one (since I can't exactly argue to get a mantle over a tank lol)

The actual proc rate is the same, but its given the chance to proc a lot more. Almost every tank uses shadows, so the shadow mantle is never really given a chance to do anything.

The magic def bonus on the ring owns too on darksday.

In our early days of Tiamat we did almost exclusively 2 PLD/WAR with AA, and the mantle really shined here... Now we're PLD/NIN so agreed the mantle doesn't get much use.

Definately on Tiamat the ring would own.

[Septimus]

Why is the Shadow Ring better? and does the ring have the same proc rate as the mantle?

i was teasing, shadow ring was terrible up until tiamat was created...now it would have a very valuable place with tanks.

I would have to imagine the proc rate is the same, i just run my LS dynamis and wish I could get one (since I can't exactly argue to get a mantle over a tank lol)

If you run the LS and pay for the glasses yourself, you can get pretty much anything you want. :D

[Dein]

I dunno if I could say the Shadow mantle only procs 5% of the time, it feels more like it's 10% of the time when I'm fighting. I don't use a parser though and it's random how often the thing kicks in (the night I got it I died to a demon train shortly after coming back from DL's camp and it didn't kick in once) so it's best to look at the thing like a -dmg% piece that reduces more dmg the harder a mob hits you.

As for ring vs mantle I never got to see the shadow ring in action since the war who got it never got on to do anything afterwards and only came back for 2 days after a few months of being absent to cuss out someone in my ls and then sell his account...