Regarding the additions for PLD in next update

**Balduran** · 2006-04-06 14:55

So Square Enix is planning to make the Paladin a better tank, or almost equaly as strong as the Ninja, I think this comes to a conclusion where in most cases PLDs can't tank a specific Notorious Monster, new jobtraits will make the PLD able to tank those specific NMs. So there is 2 tank jobs in the game right now. NIN is a tank, and is used and most preferred to blink tank alot of NMs in the game. Paladin is also a tank job, but it is prohibited from tanking some NMs that only NINs can tank right now, due to the principles of not getting hit and loosing hp. Do you think in the next update, PLDs will be equal to what the ninja can tank in all respects ? or will there always be a different strategy for them?

**Genosync** · 2006-04-06 15:04

the problem with paladin is that no one knows how to play the job at a higher level.

also there exists the problems of idiots leveling it thinking they're some big massive shield and will save everyone in their pt, then fails to realize that they have to use their MP to do it, and equip themselves properly.

there's not a design flaw with PLD. it's always a flaw of the PLD himself, or the people supporting him/her.

**Eternus** · 2006-04-06 15:08

Originally Posted by Genosync

the problem with paladin is that no one knows how to play the job at a higher level.

also there exists the problems of idiots leveling it thinking they're some big massive shield and will save everyone in their pt, then fails to realize that they have to use their MP to do it, and equip themselves properly.

there's not a design flaw with PLD.

Thank god... seriously I see so many PLD with like 150 MP and they go all out HP equip... fucking retards. That and all they do is try to cure themselves only... usually landing their Cure IV for less than max because they have a WHM curing them. Hell some PLD just use their MP for Flash only. Those are the truely pathetic ones. Wonder if some of them know that they get hate for curing other party members who ate aoe dmg lol... It is no wonder that the PLD I permad with from 32 to 63 is by far the best PLD I have ever played with. He could actually play the damn job.

**Genosync** · 2006-04-06 15:12

Originally Posted by Eternus

Originally Posted by Genosync

the problem with paladin is that no one knows how to play the job at a higher level.

also there exists the problems of idiots leveling it thinking they're some big massive shield and will save everyone in their pt, then fails to realize that they have to use their MP to do it, and equip themselves properly.

there's not a design flaw with PLD.

Thank god... seriously I see so many PLD with like 150 MP and they go all out HP equip... fucking retards. That and all they do is try to cure themselves only... usually landing their Cure IV for less than max because they have a WHM curing them. Hell some PLD just use their MP for Flash only. Those are the truely pathetic ones. Wonder if some of them know that they get hate for curing other party members who ate aoe dmg lol... It is no wonder that the PLD I permad with from 32 to 63 is by far the best PLD I have ever played with. He could actually play the damn job.

Time to disect that.

A. All you need as a PLD in XP PT is ~160 max MP. That's enough for a Cure IV, Cure III, and Flash every fight. That's good for hate there. So as a galka, I can get away with 120 max mp as long as I have Refresh.

B. White Mages that don't learn how to adapt to how a good Paladin cures for hate should be shot in the face, and burned at the stake. It's not that hard.

C. Sometimes (pending on the ability of mage support) it's better for the PLD to conserve his MP for himself and let the mages worry about other party members. Again, situational.

**Hirronimus** · 2006-04-06 15:13

While I can agree that for some NMs PLD should not be used, they are more than capable of tanking anything in this game.

When I play PLD, the main thing that always raises concern for me is not getting Refresh.

**Hirronimus** · 2006-04-06 15:15

Originally Posted by Genosync

C. Sometimes (pending on the ability of mage support) it's better for the PLD to conserve his MP for himself and let the mages worry about other party members. Again, situational.

Curing others is nice enmity boost tho... but like you said, situational.

**Eternus** · 2006-04-06 15:16

Yeah I was talking about more than just xp pts. I do not xp with PLDs at all anymore lol. Hell my LS has been tanking almost everything with WAR/NIN... we did KS99 Chvelnik with WAR/NIN straight up tanking and won in 6 mins lol.... tanked Jorm with WAR/NIN also.

**Ohemgee** · 2006-04-06 15:28

PLD/NIN in xp pts are cool.

**Mephisto** · 2006-04-06 15:29

one of the problems is that for a ninja tank, all they really need is haste and possibly songs and they are good to go-- all whms need to do is cure if they get hit.

paladin requires a lot more to excel, but a skilled pld with a rdm and brd and good blink rotation is just as good or better than a ninja imo. it all comes down to your backline.

**Lockecole** · 2006-04-06 15:54

Ehhh, nowadays I'd say if anything PLD/NIN can tank anything, and is much more versatile then NIN/WAR is, (HAY Ethereal Earring) has more HP for BCs like Bahamut v.2, has the ability to Invincible on mobs like Jorm in that BC, Cover, all sorts of things.

What does Ninja have over a PLD/NIN. One more shadow, some more evasion? Pointless for most HNMs as a PLD will probably evade more /w Flash then a NIN will on a high lvl HNM /w -physical damage build and no Mambo spells.

**Onizuka** · 2006-04-06 15:54

Why the fuck does SE have to baby PLD.. if they cant play pld they should lvl ninja and suck at that then just quit the game!

PLD not as good as NIN boo hoo, Both nin and pld have their good and bad points i was a pretty pimp nin lvling up and i couldn't keep hate better than a good pld in just his af and vit rings...

If SE wants to make pld as good as nin give us all their abilitys and they can have our shadows, that way will be the same fucking job...

If i was to lvl pld i would do what they do best i would probally never lose hate in any normal situation. With nin i hardly took dmg in any situation and that's whats good about nin just like pld has hate control.

Now that SE has finally accepted the fact that nin is a tank can they stop trying to nerf our emnity and give us some good hate keeping abilitys...

Don't think i had a huge problem keeping hate either i hardly lost hate, i used dmg and spam voke to keep hate as well as ninjutsu at the start of fights, which was great and i didn't have many if any problems till 60+ and my ninjutsu was almost worthless for hate and i had nothing but 3-4 rng(pre- nerf) pt's now 4 slug shots pop of in my face from rngs 2 lvls higher than me fighting a mob i shouldn't be for 3 more lvls and well hate is a big problem..

Auto refresh is all pld needs and now their getting it..

**Shuemue** · 2006-04-06 15:56

I fucking love PLDs who make good use of their MP... there's not much in the game more comforting than my PLD landing Cure IV on me when Nid is trying to swallow me whole and I'm at 15HP :D

**Sonomaa** · 2006-04-06 16:04

I think if they gave paladins emnity + merits in thier little block of merits instead of the generic emnity +/- merit section, it would be better, I want to level a tank job, but I also want to be a white mage, that means I cant do merits in emnity + or - because Id be settling myself into one role and not the ability to have multiple
warriors with + emnity are scary when you try to get hate off them

**Genosync** · 2006-04-06 16:05

PLD doesn't need auto-refresh.

PLD needs to get rid of the 90% of idiots that try to play the job.

All they're doing is altering the way its played so that people use it more, since people can't figure out how to use it properly now.

**Demetrick** · 2006-04-06 16:06

Originally Posted by Lockecole

Ehhh, nowadays I'd say if anything PLD/NIN can tank anything, and is much more versatile then NIN/WAR is, (HAY Ethereal Earring) has more HP for BCs like Bahamut v.2, has the ability to Invincible on mobs like Jorm in that BC, Cover, all sorts of things.

What does Ninja have over a PLD/NIN. One more shadow, some more evasion? Pointless for most HNMs as a PLD will probably evade more /w Flash then a NIN will on a high lvl HNM /w -physical damage build and no Mambo spells.

My BST has more HP than my NIN for all the HP arguements.

**Hirronimus** · 2006-04-06 16:08