patch note = new exploit?

[grunion]

The conditions for claiming monsters has been changed in the following ways. Accordingly, players will no longer be attacked by monsters that they themselves are unable to attack.

hmmm... what if the WHMs are all in outside party during HNM, they would never get hate? or better yet, they would get hate but the HNM wouldn't even attack them. it would just sit there.

this could be a MAJOR change in all difficult fights (even in BC)

[Corbie]

I'd laugh if that worked. better get a group to test it when its all up again

[Bleu]

They said there would be exceptions, and so this *may* not apply to BCs. There are other non-BC fights I can think of where this would be quite beneficial however.

[Demetrios]

Or the GMs will just throw the WHMs in jail XD

[Janeru]

Outside WHM can cure spam without the thought of ever getting hate. could replace all enmity- gear with MP gear. Hmmm interesting thought...

[Seebo]

Haha, it has to be worded wrong, because it would basically negate the effects of blockaid, which was implimented to prevent people from assisting you (and thus pulling hate to mpk or steal claim). I doubt they'd totally negate a command which was kinda recently added.. no more than 6 months ago?

[further]

Im no master WHM but having main healers outside of main party seems like a bad idea anyway right? No Regen, erase, etc..?

Edit: And it doesn't say that an outside healer wouldn't gain hate, just that the outside person can't steal claim UNTIL they have the most hate. So HNM ignores the WHMs UNTIL they go over the line and then all of a sudden the WHM party has claim, is getting their face beat in, and the tank party can't do shit about it.

[Ichthyos]

Im no master WHM but having main healers outside of main party seems like a bad idea anyway right? No Regen, erase, etc..?

It's a situational thing more than anything else. If your tank party has 1 whm on regen duty and watching for status, then outside whm's can have a cure rotation going and also avoid attacks that only hit alliance members, like Breakga.

[Raineer]

All I see that meaning is that if the mob goes yellow the WHM with hate is the only one that can steal it.

[Septimus]

Im no master WHM but having main healers outside of main party seems like a bad idea anyway right? No Regen, erase, etc..?

Edit: And it doesn't say that an outside healer wouldn't gain hate, just that the outside person can't steal claim UNTIL they have the most hate. So HNM ignores the WHMs UNTIL they go over the line and then all of a sudden the WHM party has claim, is getting their face beat in, and the tank party can't do shit about it.

That was kind of what I thought of when I first read it as well, someone who gains too much hate will cause the mob to go yellow. (That itself will cause issues with HNMs and such, but that would mean that /blockaid would still be in play.)

[Norelco]

Does this mean that WHM's will wear a shit ton of +enmity gear to KS from another linkshell if they don't use /blockaid?

[Belkin]

Im no master WHM but having main healers outside of main party seems like a bad idea anyway right? No Regen, erase, etc..?

Edit: And it doesn't say that an outside healer wouldn't gain hate, just that the outside person can't steal claim UNTIL they have the most hate. So HNM ignores the WHMs UNTIL they go over the line and then all of a sudden the WHM party has claim, is getting their face beat in, and the tank party can't do shit about it.

I dont really see a need for a WHM in the tank party. For wyrms I like the

PLD/NIN
NIN/DRK
NIN/WAR
BRD/WHM
BRD/WHM
RDM/WHM

Regen is overrated, BRD and RDM can erase/curaga when needed. Plus you get Double March and Double Ballad, along with the normal spells.

[Xiona]

whm outside alliance curing is gay haha

[Eaglestrike]

Next update...Cure V is party only...

[Septimus]

Im no master WHM but having main healers outside of main party seems like a bad idea anyway right? No Regen, erase, etc..?

Edit: And it doesn't say that an outside healer wouldn't gain hate, just that the outside person can't steal claim UNTIL they have the most hate. So HNM ignores the WHMs UNTIL they go over the line and then all of a sudden the WHM party has claim, is getting their face beat in, and the tank party can't do shit about it.

I dont really see a need for a WHM in the tank party. For wyrms I like the

PLD/NIN
NIN/DRK
NIN/WAR
BRD/WHM
BRD/WHM
RDM/WHM

Regen is overrated, BRD and RDM can erase/curaga when needed. Plus you get Double March and Double Ballad, along with the normal spells.

Regen is not overrated, the vast majority of Red Mages would sacrifice a dozen Tarytarus on a new moon to Promethia to be able to use Regen II, let alone Regen III.

Regen is great because it heals a lot of HP for not a lot of MP, and causes a very low amount of hate doing so. Although you may not want to use it on your main tank who is bleeding HP all over the place (well you do if you want to avoid Cure IV), it works wonders for pullers or melee who get stray damage from grabbing hate or AoEs.

[SephYuyX]

Next update...Cure V is party only...

Except Cure5 has the hate value of like, Cure2.

[Celeras]

Uhhhh, I doubt it. Theyre stupid... but not stupid enough to overlook something that obvious.

[edit] Found it in the patchnotes, did you look at the pictures underneath? Its a completely different situation that they are refering to. I sleepga darters, you shoot a ranged attack that misses at one. The mob is still yellow, and will remain yellow until you take enough action until it actually turns for you.. in which case you take the claim. Thereby making me unable to be attacked by a monster that I cannot take action upon.

[Dezzimal]

Next update...Cure V is party only...

Except Cure5 has the hate value of like, Cure2.

Still, its the best "omfg tank @<100hp" cure. 600+hp recovered or 410+hp recovered? I'll take the 600+

[Gregorio]

Hah oh man, if that's how it is then I think it could cause more trouble then good.

EDIT: Allright the post I was refering to has been deleted, so whateva.

[FFXIFlux]

Regen is not overrated, the vast majority of Red Mages would sacrifice a dozen Tarytarus on a new moon to Promethia to be able to use Regen II, let alone Regen III.

I'd sacrifice a dozen taru just because, but regen is HUGELY overrated. To the point that many whm are meritting some silly small amount of +regen healed over something useful.

I find them nice in XP parties, particularly at low levels, but when your 1800 hp Galka paladin needs healing, dicking arounding with something as pathetic as Regen 3 with it's tiny amount healed, long time to do so, and excessively long recast on the spell... no thanks! Very weak spell that offers nothing in the situations you need it.