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  1. #11221
    Impossiblu
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    Coercion/Deluges/Tropics (Acc capped)
    Coercion/Deluges/Valiant (Acc uncapped)

  2. #11222
    Ridill
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    What if you were using valiants haste to put in more qa/ta/da gear?

  3. #11223
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    Such as? All of the DA/TA/QA gear that you can wear effectively should have no bearing on your hitrate to begin with.

  4. #11224
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    idk like all of it? Let's for fun in haste slots say Thaumas Coat, Triplus Subligar, Nomkahpa Mittens, Portus Collar, Twilight Belt.

  5. #11225
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    Why wouldn't you already be wearing most of that? Brutal, Thaumas coat, Thaumas boots, Twilight, Atheling, Epona would all be in any TP set. Triplus Subligar would be a retarded decision regardless of atmacite choice, Portus Collar can already fit into a TP set if you don't care about losing 5% critical hit rate, you can already wear Nomkhapa mittens in TP set if you don't care about losing some crit rate from the DEX on Thaumas gloves+ the extra 3 from 4/5 set bonus, and there are no other pieces that I can think of that BLU can wear for multiattack+.

  6. #11226
    Ridill
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    Well there are some feet but it's like 3 DA. But yeah without legs you are seriously under on haste. Idk what were you thinking of using in legs slot?

  7. #11227
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    Without what legs? I already said that Triplus Subligar are retarded. Should be wearing Thaumas Kecks.

    +10 Subtle Blow
    +5% Triple Attack
    -20 accuracy
    -10 attack

    vs.

    +34 accuracy
    +24 attack
    +12~14 STR
    +6% Haste

    Winner seems clear to me.

  8. #11228
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    Normally duh. But that's what I was saying about switching atmas.

    10% hp
    2% triple attack
    3 ~ -2 str
    15 to all other stats

    vs

    29 acc (not counting valiant dex acc)
    24 att
    1 haste

    Sounds plausible if you don't need the acc which is why I was asking

    Also on ws it becomes 15 to all stats and 5 acc vs 10 subtle blow 3ta which seems like a good trade.

  9. #11229
    Impossiblu
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    The only stats there that matter are the 2% TA, ~-3 STR, the acc, and the atk. The ACC and ATK should easily outweigh 2% extra triple attack on anything that matters.

    Thus.

    Capped ACC: Tropics

    Uncapped ACC: Valiant


    Pants shouldn't be changing since it would defeat the purpose of the atma swap to begin with. On things where you're still capping accuracy with Triplus Subligar and Valiant, sure, but in those situations it's barely an upgrade at all for the cost of -1 inventory slot.

    I'm also forgetting to factor in the bonus DEX from Thaumas set bonus which devalues Valiant+Triplus slightly more.

  10. #11230
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    Depending on the party you're in I'd say there's a good case for Exhortation... sphere: 2 regain, 5% HP, 5 vit, 30% SC damage (mainly for the regain of course)...

    For general use, how would using Athos' Tights instead of AF3+2 for Heavy Strike be? Just tested on some low level mobs and it seems in Athos favor but at some point missing the STR/skill would hurt more?

  11. #11231
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    There's absolutely no situation where Exhoration would be acceptable.

    +4% Critical Hit damage will very rarely be worth more than 8STR, 19 attack, and +/-1 1~2 D tiers.

  12. #11232
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    What is the best current cw build?

  13. #11233
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    Tessera Saio, Khepri head... that's the new ones I can recall on top of my head.

  14. #11234
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    Both are kinda hard/bad droprate though. Also Oce still better than khepri head. Khepri legs are pretty good though. Also Spurrina Doublet a decent body. NQ might be decent chance since abj droprate seems slightly better than tessera saio I think. Some awesome stuff like A'as Circlet that haven't been found yet

  15. #11235
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    Khepri head is inferior to Ocelomeh +1 unless it has an MAB or DEX augment that I don't know about.

    edit: nvm, dasva said it already


    Edit2: At this point though... the gear that's already readily attainable and in our sets is over sufficient for the task of whisker burning. Improving on the set marginally through gear like khepri isn't a great expenditure of time/resources unless you plan on using that gear for other things.

  16. #11236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothescar View Post
    Khepri head is inferior to Ocelomeh +1 unless it has an MAB or DEX augment that I don't know about.

    edit: nvm, dasva said it already


    Edit2: At this point though... the gear that's already readily attainable and in our sets is over sufficient for the task of whisker burning. Improving on the set marginally through gear like khepri isn't a great expenditure of time/resources unless you plan on using that gear for other things.
    ^this

    although it might be interesting to see how big CW can get outside of Abyssea. Last I recall I was only around the ~2k range outside. However, physical AoE spells would most likely still be superior for this.

  17. #11237
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    I would love a way to cleave outside abyssea. geode farming would be a real money-maker.

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    You can cleave outside already? I did that for some of my friends' lightning trials.

  19. #11239
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    Geode farming with AoE burning would barely be any more effective than single kills... you can only get one geode every 5 minutes unless you zone or log out between drops.

  20. #11240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothescar View Post
    Geode farming with AoE burning would barely be any more effective than single kills... you can only get one geode every 5 minutes unless you zone or log out between drops.
    Where did this come from? Let me go get my pictures of multiple geode/avatarite pools...

    EDIT, here we go.

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