puppet stuff

[chilicheese]

you better have a Peacock Charm and 2 Sniper+1s.

any job that doesn't have access to Amemet Mantle+1 is not meant to melee in XP at all.

QFT

[neighbortaru]

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1946
yay BLU and COR!

[Someonher]

blm and summoner are OBVIOUSLY mage only they actually have mp, bst has DD potential for partys, only draw back was XP loss from pets, puppets dont - xp, so its like a supper up summoner that can actually melle

The party does NOT lose xp from bst pets. The bst only.

It's sad.. 3 years AND PEOPLE STILL DONT FUCKING GET IT.

QFT.. seriously people... come on.

And what does the solo potential look like for PUP? I really hope that they have some decent solo ability. Seems blu won't be much of a solo job.

[draxyl]

Of course BLM are supposed to melee, why do you think they gave them scythes in an update?

[Sethe]

BRD and RDM also on there, go figure.

[XxSlusherxx]

And what does the solo potential look like for PUP? I really hope that they have some decent solo ability. Seems blu won't be much of a solo job.

from talking to friends I get the impression that it's not a great solo job, but he just hit level 10 last night and was beginning to explore add ons.

he said healing your puppet was simalar to pet food. so @ higher levels when mobs hit harder, I'm not sure how you'd keep him up seeing as you can't exactly spam petfood.

[Someonher]

BRD and RDM also on there, go figure.

Eh, it doesn't go both ways. If your not on there, you're not melee. If you are then the chances are good, but not definate. RDM isn't bad at melee, they are just much more useful as mage support.

However, BRD is definatly melee. I mean they got Amemet Mantle+1 and Osode!!! XD

[Someonher]

And what does the solo potential look like for PUP? I really hope that they have some decent solo ability. Seems blu won't be much of a solo job.

from talking to friends I get the impression that it's not a great solo job, but he just hit level 10 last night and was beginning to explore add ons.

he said healing your puppet was simalar to pet food. so @ higher levels when mobs hit harder, I'm not sure how you'd keep him up seeing as you can't exactly spam petfood.

Ah, I didn't even think about that. :'(

Maybe BST PUP can duo or something XD

[epigram]

Solo at 75:

EM-T target (4000-5000 hp)

IIRC a korrigan takes 2000-2500 dmg per fight against a Goobbue.

Usually damage ratio for bst /pet is 1/1 dmg, pushing 3/2 with good negative enmity. A Jug pet tends to be more like 3/1 though.


DRG/WHM can solo, but I haven't seen a parse before. Most likely the dragoon is healling around 4000 or so hp per fight. I'm guessing the damage ratio is more like 5/1 or 4/1.

I'm guessing a PUP/PET dmg ratio needs to be around 2/3 to solo well. Even with just a C or B weapon rating in h2h acc shouldn't be an issue. If the puppet has provoke as well, unlike a bst, the PUP can knock out a few raging fists during the fight. The big issue is how much damage the puppet can reduce or evade, and is feeding oil economical. As a beast I never use pet food for exp, last I looked a 600hp with max equip macro'ed in cost me close to 3,000gil...

[Ankiseth]

As shown in the POL Update page, some of the attachments can give the puppet Provoke and other things.

At Lv5 which I got to last night, I have been having him use Shock Absorber, whenever you do Earth Maneuver it makes them use Stoneskin. He went like 6 fights against EMs without losing Stoneskin. Then if he does take some damage I just use Earth Maneuver again so he refreshes it, light maneuver to Regen, and he is 100% and I go another 6 fights without taking damage.

Unless it drastically changes, it is an awesome solo.

[Maxxthepenguin]

As shown in the POL Update page, some of the attachments can give the puppet Provoke and other things.

At Lv5 which I got to last night, I have been having him use Shock Absorber, whenever you do Earth Maneuver it makes them use Stoneskin. He went like 6 fights against EMs without losing Stoneskin. Then if he does take some damage I just use Earth Maneuver again so he refreshes it, light maneuver to Regen, and he is 100% and I go another 6 fights without taking damage.

Unless it drastically changes, it is an awesome solo.

Holy shit that's amazing

[epigram]

Does the stoneskin get interupted?

I hope the stoneskin scales well though, I guess if it could cover 500 or so damage at 75 it might be ok. Maybe a high evasion mix or something similar might work as well.

[Khamsin]

screw armor, armor doesnt make a good player, sure armor helps but there is enough "all job" gear to be a decent DD, i play to have fun not to fall into a role others think is the right path

Theres definatly no "all job" gear for blm or smn to be DD.

I don't melee in a typical xp PT as SMN, but I do melee solo and duo/trio with carby or fenrir out, and spirit taker spam.

This is gear I use: Optical Hat, Brutal Earring, Life Belt. Eat some Tentacle Sushi and you've got a double attacking SMN/WHM with the occasional double attack Spirit Taker, using Carby Pole (high damage, TP Bonus, high frequency light damage add effect). If you have access to it, wear the hydra mage set (with the acc+10/attack+10 on various pieces) and you're set, with a capped staff skill.

But yeah, in an xp PT on VT+ or on HNMs, no SMN melee setup is going to outparse the SMN just doing BPs and resting (if going for damage). If your role is to support, then you sure as hell won't be doing it by meleeing.

[epigram]

It looks more and more like a PUP is a solo job. And the only real solo job you can do 10-75 in a Royal Footman's Tunic or Windy CP gear.

[neighbortaru]

It looks more and more like a PUP is a solo job

sounds expensive though with all the oils to repair and stuff.

[Odyne]

I've been wondering if the best parties for PUP would be...well, all PUP pts...or at least 2-3 o_O Since it seems difficult to control them

[kemigumi]

the attatchments stack to 12, does that mean you are paying 4-9k for one time use maneuvers? or are you good with just eqiuipping one?

[Khamsin]

the attatchments stack to 12, does that mean you are paying 4-9k for one time use maneuvers? or are you good with just eqiuipping one?

Maybe you can equip more than one for whatever reason. Maybe three of the same attachment, each filling 1/3 capacity, for a total of 3/3 will make it stronger, or use it more often compared to the other elements?

[Not Kuno]

screw armor, armor doesnt make a good player, sure armor helps but there is enough "all job" gear to be a decent DD, i play to have fun not to fall into a role others think is the right path

Theres definatly no "all job" gear for blm or smn to be DD.

I don't melee in a typical xp PT as SMN, but I do melee solo and duo/trio with carby or fenrir out, and spirit taker spam.

This is gear I use: Optical Hat, Brutal Earring, Life Belt. Eat some Tentacle Sushi and you've got a double attacking SMN/WHM with the occasional double attack Spirit Taker, using Carby Pole (high damage, TP Bonus, high frequency light damage add effect). If you have access to it, wear the hydra mage set (with the acc+10/attack+10 on various pieces) and you're set, with a capped staff skill.

But yeah, in an xp PT on VT+ or on HNMs, no SMN melee setup is going to outparse the SMN just doing BPs and resting (if going for damage). If your role is to support, then you sure as hell won't be doing it by meleeing.

I solo SMN melee alot with Fenrir and spirit taker. I am well aware of what its capable of. However we severely lack any sort of DD gear, meaning we hit for shit on anything close to our level or higher.

[Chumbelina]

first off, i hate alla, secondly i was allways told, by bst's that the group as a whole lost XP for a charmed pet. this is the first i have EVER heard otherwise


but lets try to stay on the pup topic ;o

If your charatcer level is as high as your post count, then that's probably the reason why you haven't heard otherwise