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    Claustrum / Gate of Tartarus WS Testing

    Summary: 60% CHR modifier, fTP fixed at 2.75. No mods on other stats. (Big thank you to VZX for crunching the final numbers)

    Post-WS Refresh is 8mp/tick, 8/tick, stacks with Refresh, Ballad (and probably Evoker's Roll), and Auto-Refresh. Lasts 20 seconds at 100% TP, 40 at 200%, 60 at 300%.

    Attack Down effect untested.

    "Big" hit multiplier for Claustrum is 2.5. No hidden MAB or Avatar Perpetuation Cost reduction that we could see.

    Methodology: For each trial, SA+WS on Tiny Mandragora. Repeat until a peak value is repeated. Assume pDIF was capped at 3.0. Perform trials with etudes for each stat at 100% TP, as well as base cases at 100% and 300% TP.

    Subject: Vipey, Tarutaru F SMN75/THF37

    Base Stats:
    STR 51
    DEX 64
    VIT 54
    AGI 69
    INT 77
    MND 62
    CHR 65

    Enemy: Tiny Mandragora

    Session 1: No gear equipped except claustrum.
    8pm-10:20pm PDT, July 7, 2006

    (careful not to have songs up for recording normal hits)
    Normal hit: 130, 142, 149, 150, 163, 165, 171, 174, 183, 185, 187, 196
    Big hit: 454, 458, 466, 484, 487 (repeated)
    Crit: capping at 249 (repeated)
    Big crit: capping at 621 (repeated)

    Claustrum gives 10TP/hit so it's easy to do flat 100% testing.

    SA+WS 100%, no mods
    ===================
    930
    948
    928
    880
    948
    948
    948

    SA+WS 300%, no mods (verify fTP is unchanged)
    ===================
    948
    948
    948

    SA+WS 100%, STR+22
    ==================
    990
    990
    960
    938
    990

    SA+WS 100%, DEX+22
    ==================
    831
    948
    948

    SA+WS 100%, VIT+22
    ==================
    862
    948
    948

    SA+WS 100%, AGI+22
    ==================
    948
    918
    854
    948

    SA+WS 100%, INT+22
    ==================
    936
    948
    888
    839
    907
    852
    948

    SA+WS 100%, MND+22
    ==================
    948
    938
    948

    SA+WS 100%, CHR+22
    ==================
    983
    1038
    1038
    969
    958
    937
    1038

    After crunching the numbers, it was obvious to me that fSTR was not capped. We then performed the STR and CHR tests with STR gear and sushi.

    Session 2: STR gear, Sushi, and songs
    ======
    10:45am-11:30am July 9, 2006

    Base Stats:
    STR 51+28
    DEX 64+10
    VIT 54+8
    AGI 69
    INT 77
    MND 62+3
    CHR 65

    Claustrum
    Voyager Sallet STR+3 DEX+4
    Auditory Torque STR+4 VIT+4 (when song is active)
    Wonder Kaftan HP+36 STR+1 VIT+2 MND+1
    Wonder Mitts HP+20 STR+3
    Ruby Ring STR+4
    Triumph Ring STR+5
    Wonder Braccae HP+21 STR+1 VIT+2 MND+2
    Wonder Clomps HP+20 STR+2
    Sole Sushi HP+20 STR+5 DEX+6

    SA+WS 100%, STR 51+28 (with Ballads for the torque)
    =====================
    990
    906
    966
    990

    SA+WS 100%, STR51+50
    ====================
    990
    990

    SA+WS 100%, STR51+28 CHR65+22
    =============================
    1080
    1080

    dmg = pDIF * [fTP * ( WD + fSTR + [WSC * floor(sum(mods * stats)])]

    WD = 72
    fSTR cap = floor(72/9) + 8 = 16
    WSC = 0.83

    STR 79, CHR 65: 990
    990 = 3 * [fTP * (72 + 16 + [0.83 * floor(sum(mods * stats))])]
    330/fTP = 88 + 0.83 * floor(sum(mods * stats)) [eqn1]

    STR 79, CHR 87: 1080
    1080 = 3 * [fTP * (72 + 16 + [0.83 * floor(sum(mods * stats))])]
    360/fTP = 88 + 0.83 * floor(sum(mods * stats)) [eqn2]

    [eqn2-eqn1]
    30/fTP = 0.83 * floor(MOD_CHR * 22)

    If fTP = 3.0 then MOD_CHR ~= 0.55.
    If fTP = 2.75 then MOD_CHR ~= 0.60.

    Final calculations from VZX

    Acknowledgments
    ============
    Vipey
    Qbertian (for hanging out with me and vip, and pulling big trains)
    Eviine (for letting me borrow your bard)
    VZX (for doing the final calculations)

    Edit: Added Refresh info, added note about no MAB or avatar perp.

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    CHR LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Ok I'm done. Thanks for the infos :D

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    Too bad he'll get no use out of it anywhere other than that Tiny Mandragora

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    How much is the refresh?

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    lol,EVERYONE WILL SEE THE POWER IN KUFTAL SKILL UPS HARHARHAR

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    You need one to upgrade and quit.
    One to upgrade figure out why they quit and report back the mods.
    Anyone at this point with stage 4 already might as well finish.

    Anyone stage 3 or below still upgrading staff ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by liefe
    How much is the refresh?
    8/tick, which stacks with Refresh, Ballad (and probably Evoker's Roll), and Auto-Refresh. Forgot to say that above, I'll add it.

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    Congrats on a relic you can't even farm spiders with.

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    Is it 100% confirmed that it has no magic attack bonus or -avatar perp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priran
    Congrats on a relic you can't even farm spiders with.
    Actually even when farming spiders with Fenrir out, she has a hard time using her MP.

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    Typically, Fenrir tanks, she does SATA + Spirit Taker, gains back maybe 600mp or so, and then BP's on Fenrir to get back hate. The net MP use is decently positive, although we don't have any hard numbers yet.

    -Q

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    Assuming that she paid for it mainly herself it's a job well done. But does it actually add any real utility to the job? or can you just farm spiders faster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuemue
    Is it 100% confirmed that it has no magic attack bonus or -avatar perp?
    No MAB or Avatar Perp.

    Quote Originally Posted by epigram
    Assuming that she paid for it mainly herself it's a job well done. But does it actually add any real utility to the job? or can you just farm spiders faster?
    Yeah, she's been collecting currency since mid-2004, and was fortunate enough to get a good chunk of it at like 10k apiece. She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too. I wouldn't say it adds utility to her job, but it's the best weapon to wear if you're full-time SMN and meleeing I suppose.

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    It really deserves to have magic attack and/or av perp, but it's a nice toy regardless. She's put in a lot of effort, I hope she has fun with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichthyos
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuemue
    Is it 100% confirmed that it has no magic attack bonus or -avatar perp?
    No MAB or Avatar Perp.

    Quote Originally Posted by epigram
    Assuming that she paid for it mainly herself it's a job well done. But does it actually add any real utility to the job? or can you just farm spiders faster?
    Yeah, she's been collecting currency since mid-2004, and was fortunate enough to get a good chunk of it at like 10k apiece. She was the first NA alchemist to 100 on our server, too. I wouldn't say it adds utility to her job, but it's the best weapon to wear if you're full-time SMN and meleeing I suppose.
    Would be a better staff for blm melee, smn has other options which would make it pretty situational. (imo)

    How much dmg does the WS avarage on other stuff without SA?

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    ahahahahaha

    congratulations on a waste of dynamis currency. i wonder what her dynamis shell was thinking, knowing that their currency was going toward a toy

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    place bets now on how long till she quits

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    Quote Originally Posted by shihei
    place bets now on how long till she quits
    Unlike a lot of relic upgraders, she didn't have unrealistic expectations that the weapon would revolutionize the way she played the game. The relic holders I know of on Titan who quit shortly after they finished were NINs thinking Kikoku would magically make them outparse everyone else or something.

    Vipey still has a number of goals in the game that include finishing her SMN and MNK relic sets. She still enjoys exploring the new expansion, leveling other jobs, and the game in general. She doesn't camp kings (and has never since 2004) so she isn't burned out and/or on the verge of quitting.

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    she has a lvl 5 relic for a job that she hasn't finished the relic set?

    pretty ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgarfigaro
    she has a lvl 5 relic for a job that she hasn't finished the relic set?

    pretty ridiculous
    wafik doesn't have full thf AF I don't think

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