Question on Magic Attack Bonus

[Awoir]

BLM63/RDM31 209 Dark Magic Skill
Firesday Full Moon (95%)

No gear:
90, 24, 83, 52, 56, 71, 53, 70, 60, 47

Pluto's Staff only:
69, 96, 85, 79, 94, 85, 103, 93, 105, 69

Pluto's Staff + Moldavite Earring:
55, 85, 85, 62, 36, 57, 81, 69, 58, 66

All Aspirs were performed on the same Tunnel worm outside Bastok Markets

[Kaylia]

BLM63/RDM31 209 Dark Magic Skill
Firesday Full Moon (95%)

No gear:
90, 24, 83, 52, 56, 71, 53, 70, 60, 47

Pluto's Staff only:
69, 96, 85, 79, 94, 85, 103, 93, 105, 69

Pluto's Staff + Moldavite Earring:
55, 85, 85, 62, 36, 57, 81, 69, 58, 66

All Aspirs were performed on the same Tunnel worm outside Bastok Markets

I can conclude out of this that moldavite earring reduce your maximum aspir by 20 mp.

[Awoir]

Yea, that's what it seemed lol, MaB hurts aspir! To be honest though the sample was too small, I was just getting really bored (Aspir recast is too long)

[Lithiani]

All Aspirs were performed on the same Tunnel worm outside Bastok Markets

How much MP do those things have? o_O

[Awoir]

All Aspirs were performed on the same Tunnel worm outside Bastok Markets

How much MP do those things have? o_O

Roughly 692k

[nivlakian]

One issue with Magic Attack Bonus affecting aspir is that Magic Defense Bonus does not seem to affect it since I've gotten 138 aspirs from mobs such as Jormungand:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7...rmaspirev7.jpg

[Blm_Alex]

I've never paid that much attention to my aspirs before, but this one stood out.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...I/aspirmax.jpg

120 * 1.45 = 174 (day, double weather, Anrin Obi, Pluto's Staff)

I've never seen non-MB for more, so I'm going to believe nivlakian on the 120 thing.

[nivlakian]

I've never paid that much attention to my aspirs before, but this one stood out.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...I/aspirmax.jpg

120 * 1.45 = 174 (day, double weather, Anrin Obi, Pluto's Staff)

I've never seen non-MB for more, so I'm going to believe nivlakian on the 120 thing.

Based on other magic, it is more likely that aspir is calculated by:
f(aspir) * staff bonus * day/weather bonus.

Actually, the highest aspir I've seen in Dynamis was 180.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1340/180aspirvs8.jpg

If you do 120 x 1.15 x 1.3, you get 179.4 which is close to explaining the 180mp aspir.

Now, I'm not claiming I know exactly how aspir is determined and often discrepencies arise from how the game floors or decides to make use of 256 based calculations or other fractional computations. All I am saying is that there is evidence which makes it seem unlikely to me that aspir is affected by MAB.

1) Despite changes in my gear over time, I've not received more than 138mp from aspir w/ HQ staff outside of weather/day effects and other BLMs also receive the same number despite differences in gear.

2) After I noticed the trend, I've tried changing macros to equip more MAB and even after I started using Sorc. Ring and gained items such as Novio Earring and Yigit Crackrows, it has not changed. Whereas, as Suiram mentioned before, other magics allow you to go beyond any imposed cap by the addition of MAB.

3) Mobs that have magic defense bonus (the counter to MAB) do not affect being able to receive 138mp.

Any claims I've read regarding gaining more MP always appear to take place in zones where dark weather appears even if only occassionally or it was darksday.

[inafume]

Somehow I magically got a 134 Aspir off an Enhanced Beetle in Temenos West last night, on Lightsday. No Dark Torque, but I do have AF2 gloves.

Awoir - what were you using instead of Moldavite for the first set of casts? Morion? Nothing?

[Awoir]

Somehow I magically got a 134 Aspir off an Enhanced Beetle in Temenos West last night, on Lightsday. No Dark Torque, but I do have AF2 gloves.

Awoir - what were you using instead of Moldavite for the first set of casts? Morion? Nothing?

Naked

[Byrd]

Somewhat off topic but, i've noticed Diabolos's pole works better than my Pluto's staff for aspir/drains in dynamis.

Really? I found a huge drop in my Aspir/Drains in Dynamis with Diabolos's Pole. Tried it for 3 or 4 Dynamis runs and I was consistently getting weaker results. Anyone else seen an actual improvement with Diabolos's Pole?

Maybe the Pole improves the cap, but doesn't improve Accuracy? As a RDM with 210 Dark, I need pretty much every +Accuracy I have to reduce resistance. Perhaps a BLM or DRK might not need the HQ Staff as much as I would.

[shieldsofwindurst]

If you do a search on this forum (and any of the other ones) what you'll find is a constant "I got the diabolos's pole and it was worse than my pluto's. I then dropped it." This is the first post that anyone has noticed an Increase. It would be somewhat cruel & unusual (but not That out of line) for SE to say "Oh shit, there's no point to that item, let's make it better than Pluto's at least."

I would have said that this would be the first (and thus unlikely) instance of SE actually buffing an item, but see ToAU and wafik's old sig (i.e. the thief knife buff). It'd be just like SE to buff something you'd only use in Dynamis.

If you have both the Diabolos's Pole & the Pluto's Staff, I think everyone would be very interested in if you could do some tests (1 full dynamis run + pole, 1 full dynamis run + pluto's) to find out if it's worth the time.

[Not Kuno]

wafik's old sig (i.e. the thief knife buff)

It was the Manadu buff he was happy about.

[shieldsofwindurst]

wafik's old sig (i.e. the thief knife buff)

It was the Manadu buff he was happy about.

I know. I was generalizing. I didn't mean specifically the "thief knife", I meant "all knives that thieves use."

Edit: proper use of quoting >.>

[Janeru]

congratulations, you've degraded to dictionary spell-check man. you know what it means, who gives a shit.

lol where's Rocl's comment about the cock and the coke

[Bratt]

Pluto's > Diabolos for Drain and Aspir for me. I don't know why I kept that Pole but its nice to skill up or mess around with.

[shieldsofwindurst]

Pluto's > Diabolos for Drain and Aspir for me. I don't know why I kept that Pole but its nice to skill up or mess around with.

Yeah, that's what everyone's said so far. But when did you last test it? The question is if they ninja-buffed it.