WHM/NIN cotanking with other PLD/NIN on wyrms?

[Stellar]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

[Squirrels]

Seraphy from Priceless(top JP shell) on Siren tanked Hydra solo for a good 10-15mins when it first came out once Masterasia+Barlog(PLDs) went down

[Xiona]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

yea but unfortunately everytime i subbed anything other than blm it was a major mp struggle

[Alleya]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

Because losing over 100 mp and conserve mp does absolutely nothing to your ability to keep a good MP level and is vastly outweighed by not getting hit 3 times when you're not doing your job right and pulling hate.

[Mephisto]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

Because losing over 100 mp and conserve mp does absolutely nothing to your ability to keep a good MP level and is vastly outweighed by not getting hit 3 times when you're not doing your job right and pulling hate.

If a WHM is doing their job right they (usually) shouldn't have hate long enough to be attacked three times, not to mention for things like Fafnir, recasting Utsusemi every time he wings just makes unnecessary hate.

[Alleya]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

Because losing over 100 mp and conserve mp does absolutely nothing to your ability to keep a good MP level and is vastly outweighed by not getting hit 3 times when you're not doing your job right and pulling hate.

If a WHM is doing their job right they (usually) shouldn't have hate long enough to be attacked three times, not to mention for things like Fafnir, recasting Utsusemi every time he wings just makes unnecessary hate.

...I'm going to pretend that you saw the thick coating of delicious sarcasm slathered all over my post and move on.

[Tonko]

WHOOOOOSH

[Ashira]

OMG I should totally go WHM/NIN to Fafnir for Utsusemi after Wing.

WHY didn't I ever think of that?!

[threevo]

when will ppl stop saying shit about the more melee the more wings fafnir will spam. that shit is all fucking random anyway. Ive seen a alliance of 2 tanks 6blms 3rdms a brd and some whms with 2thfs get wing spammed to shit, and when theres a melee heavy alliance my stoneskin has worn off before another wing has hit .... Everything in this game is random lol

[Lordwafik]

when will ppl stop saying shit about the more melee the more wings fafnir will spam. that shit is all fucking random anyway. Ive seen a alliance of 2 tanks 6blms 3rdms a brd and some whms with 2thfs get wing spammed to shit, and when theres a melee heavy alliance my stoneskin has worn off before another wing has hit .... Everything in this game is random lol

He has TP regen, yes, but you meleeing him does give him more TP. It's not completely random.

[XaocRamuh]

when will ppl stop saying shit about the more melee the more wings fafnir will spam. that shit is all fucking random anyway. Ive seen a alliance of 2 tanks 6blms 3rdms a brd and some whms with 2thfs get wing spammed to shit, and when theres a melee heavy alliance my stoneskin has worn off before another wing has hit .... Everything in this game is random lol

It is random, but an all melee alliance has a 90% chance to get that 'random' wing spam, and a mage alliance has a 50% chance to get that 'random' spam.

Note: Percentages are purely hypothetical and should not be quoted save for flames or jokes.

[Ambir]

when will ppl stop saying shit about the more melee the more wings fafnir will spam. that shit is all fucking random anyway. Ive seen a alliance of 2 tanks 6blms 3rdms a brd and some whms with 2thfs get wing spammed to shit, and when theres a melee heavy alliance my stoneskin has worn off before another wing has hit .... Everything in this game is random lol

That's because your RDMs and WHMs were melleeing

[Sirlancelot]

There's a WHM in my LS that occasionally will sub ninja for fights like Tiamat, Cerberus, Hydra, Faf/Nid, when we have a low WHM count. We usually use two tanks, and the whm ends up being the 3rd support tank because they are curing so much and building hate. They are able to survive so much longer because of utsu ni/ichi, long enough to where the pld or nin can get it off them.
Its different but it seems to work.

[Mephisto]

I like when whm sub ninja, not to try and pull hate as a main tank, but so when they eventually do pull hate, it's not a problem. I think it's a better safety measure while still acting as a main healer, than actually hoping to pull hate and tank.

Because losing over 100 mp and conserve mp does absolutely nothing to your ability to keep a good MP level and is vastly outweighed by not getting hit 3 times when you're not doing your job right and pulling hate.

If a WHM is doing their job right they (usually) shouldn't have hate long enough to be attacked three times, not to mention for things like Fafnir, recasting Utsusemi every time he wings just makes unnecessary hate.

...I'm going to pretend that you saw the thick coating of delicious sarcasm slathered all over my post and move on.

No, I understood that D: I was just adding onto it lol

[Awoir]

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[Cheeks™]

I sub NIN alot for events, but I don't pretend to be a tank or melee.
But I was able to tank JoFortitude for like 20 minutes while our main tank decided to afk unexpectedly and had only about 8 ppl there trying to kill the balls. /nin plus herald's gaiters saved me big time.
It really depends on what you're fighting to determine if its viable. On fafnir, /smn is much better because PLDs keep hate like a fucking beast usually, and being able to give them 3 shadows every minute really helps.
For mobs where hate is a complete clusterfuck anyways, ie Kirin, I sub NIN all the time. Blink is far too unreliable.
Also when we poppd AV a while back I was able to tank it from a distance while it was just spamming magic (and we were trying to drain all if it's MP). I can get near 1k HP as taru WHM/NIN with BQ ring instead of Serene, but I still have merits to use on HP.
Mobs that spam AoE moves which can be absorbed with utsu is extremely nice, like King Venegalol and the such.
But for tank.... I could never do it + I never even bother because I have so much fucking -enmity in my gear and merits it's not worth trying. The other day I soloed one of those trees in Waja-- Woodlands down to like 20% and a BST friend of mine came in to help, hit it twice with axe, and pulled hate. No way simply flash and curing the damage not being done because you're /nin anyways could keep hate.

Just my two cents.

[Krandor]

when will ppl stop saying shit about the more melee the more wings fafnir will spam. that shit is all fucking random anyway. Ive seen a alliance of 2 tanks 6blms 3rdms a brd and some whms with 2thfs get wing spammed to shit, and when theres a melee heavy alliance my stoneskin has worn off before another wing has hit .... Everything in this game is random lol

He has TP regen, yes, but you meleeing him does give him more TP. It's not completely random.

Unless I'm mistaken Fafnir auto-TPs to 100 in less then 10 seconds, having melees on the mob isn't going to really matter when he gains TP that fast. If I'm wrong here then sue me, but I've personally never seen any major differences on Faf with 3 melees or with 7.

[Stellar]

Guess you should take lessons on conserving MP from Cheeks. He subs Ninja more often than not, is the number 1 whm I want curing me as Ninja and rarely has MP problems.. Conserve MP is decent, but don't act like it's better than it is. (There was a thread not too long ago which showed you have to use around 180mp a minute for conserve MP to = the amount of MP that 1mp tick refresh will save you. Hardly more valuable than your whm's gaurantee'd safety if aggro is drawn)

[Heian]

There's a WHM in my LS that occasionally will sub ninja for fights like Tiamat, Cerberus, Hydra, Faf/Nid, when we have a low WHM count. We usually use two tanks, and the whm ends up being the 3rd support tank because they are curing so much and building hate. They are able to survive so much longer because of utsu ni/ichi, long enough to where the pld or nin can get it off them.
Its different but it seems to work.

Guess you need that system since you may get stuck in the ceiling of DA from time to time.

[Kiro]

There's a WHM in my LS that occasionally will sub ninja for fights like Tiamat, Cerberus, Hydra, Faf/Nid, when we have a low WHM count. We usually use two tanks, and the whm ends up being the 3rd support tank because they are curing so much and building hate. They are able to survive so much longer because of utsu ni/ichi, long enough to where the pld or nin can get it off them.
Its different but it seems to work.

Guess you need that system since you may get stuck in the ceiling of DA from time to time.

ZING~