KRAMER SNAPS LOL

[Marquisate]

That was quite possibly the most well informed post in this thread, ill go read that book.

Thanks. One of my beefs with contemporary education is that they act like the way to deal with racial issues is to say "well, things used to be bad, but we passed the CRA and it fixed everything! yeah!" and then they have black history month where they read Maya Angelou and talk about Frederick Douglass and call it a day.

We need to discuss racial, social, ethnic and economic issues in high school, you can't just relegate important information that everyone should know to college electives, unless you want to make college free. Everyone should be exposed to this debate so that they can be informed and aware that it exists. IMO, being an informed and aware member of society is more important than anything else you learn in school (names of past presidents, calculus, chemistry, etc.)

I don't think things were better with the CRA. In fact, I don't think racial issues started to truly become a 'thing of the past' until this current generation. Blacks are now heavily accepted in celebrity status where they have never been before now.

I'm not rich by any means (I will soon be downgrading my house because my mother cannot afford to pay for the house she's living in, I'm probably moving out) but if I ever do start to work hard and get paid a bunch, I'd like to see some results from it. I want to have the 'best' for my children if I'm shelling out a ton of money for it. I agree with how schools are funded atm, at least in where the money is coming from. But we should channel any and all charity donations towards poor schools.

And IMO, you cannot be an aware and informed member of society unless you actually want to be. Which is the biggest problem I see in our education system. Not only does the teaching style suck ass, but the kids don't give a shit. I pretty much took off most of my senior year and a friend from Church was a biology teacher at my school, I watched her classes often and it was pretty shocking how little people even cared to try, not just the joking everyone does about never doing their work. No system is going to work if someone is unwilling to learn. I don't know where race comes into this, but I'd rather blacks just try in school and surpass the whites than bitch about someone using nigger. PROVE THE RACISTS WRONG. God knows even if we are a bunch of racist bastards inside at least the competition of academic race wars would be refreshing for this nation.

And I never said discussing these issues was bad. I'm complaining about the bitching about the issues, it's constant and it's stupid as hell. I'd love to read some more stats on things, I try to be as logical as possible when thinking about my past situations and how the breakdowns went between races and such, but I know it's not as trustworthy as a real study would show. The problem is that adults suck ass and many wouldn't get real answers from kids, kinda like the FFXI RMT problem. It's obvious as hell to us but the 'superiors' don't get it at all.

I'm too tired to continue making more points, too much leftover turkey, hope this made a little sense >.>

Wish I had some leftover Turkey =( Microwaved Lentil Soup from Progresso FTL.

I think the problem with property taxes paying for local education and resultant underfunding of schools comes from a larger problem where people are becoming detached from their communities. This is particularly prevelant in the suburbs where people are insulated by having their own house, their own appliances, their own car, their own pool, their own everything!

The result is a feeling of entitlement and self-centeredness, a desire to pay lower taxes, have less public utilities, to turn their lives more and more private, to step away from public groups that patrol the community and hire a private security company to patrol, etc. People turn inward in these sorts of "non-communities", get disconnected from their neighbors and each other, stop caring about politics or problems outside of their little tiny world, and then, finally, become isolated from each other within their own household, turning to their private rooms each with its own television.

Why did older societies not have this problem? Why do many European societies not have this problem? Why did my family, IMO, not have this problem (parents both from Europe)? Because they still have a conception of people as a community, as belonging together, as working and playing together, of sharing resources and pursuing shared goals together to build bonds of trust and caring between people, giving them a meaning, a purpose and a place in the world.

Without that sense of belonging, of being part of a larger group, people stop caring about issues that don't directly affect them. Race concerns become "black people blaming their problems on me, that's not fair, I'm not a racist, why should I pay for what my parents or someone else's parents did to him". Environmental issues become "well, I'm not going to be around when we run out of oil and revert to a neanderthalian society, so screw it, I'm gonna drive my Ferrari all I want". Poverty problems become "bunch of losers wanting a handout, my hard work earned me this house and job, not the fact that I came from a stable family that taught me good values and came from a good community! screw em!" People become insular and private, delving into complete and unfettered Liberalism (real definition, not the one attached to Democrats), and they ultimately become completely uninterested in local, regional, national or global politics and turn into extreme libertarians.

What else happens when people become excessively liberal? Public resources fall apart. Nobody wants to pay for public pools, parks and schools when they can build their own parks and pools and send their kids to private schools. Social Security becomes a sad and failing bandage on the gaping problem posed by contracting family circles. Single moms have a hard time finding someone to parent their kids when they go to work, when in older times there would be trusted neighbors or relatives nearby who could care for them. Communities let Wal-Mart step in and crush small family businesses that are a crucial part of the community, because they offer slightly lower prices. Cities aren't planned around existing, stable communities which deter crime, but instead around people's travel needs. As a result, communities are broken up and people become anonymous from each other. Then crime goes up because you don't know your neighbors, don't care about them, don't want to get involved if you think you see something happening, don't care about having a "community watch" and don't recognize unfamiliar faces in the neighborhood who may be up to no good.

The way we Americans live today is not sustainable into the future. There are not enough resources, there is not enough renewable energy, it is simply not possible to maintain our current lifestyle into the future. Just imagine how much gas we waste shipping lettuce from Southern California to my supermarket in Queens, New York, when we could just pay a little more and grow it in New York. Water usage in the West is out of control as private housing developments in Arizona with lush lawns explode in popularity, and the Colorado River is shrinking every year. Oil reserves are shrinking - the government says we'll hit the halfway mark in 40 years at our current rate (which is a joke, the rate is only increasing as China's and India's automobile markets boom) while more realistic sources estimate 20 years. What's the plan? When do we start switching to a more communal mode of living that shares resources, shares appliances and utilites, relies on mass transportation to drastically cut oil consumption, and brings people back to a way of living that provides stability, meaning and fulfillment instead of isolating them to their private bedrooms?

Even if full-blown Communitarianism is too much (and I think that it's only realistic if you take a look at the long-term future of our world from a resource-conservation perspective), we at LEAST need a return to Republicanism (real meaning, not the one ascribed to the American political party.) We need people to care about their communities, to get involved and bring people together in things like local elections and town-hall debates, community watches, local sports programs etc., as a starting point towards a "good society", to quote the famous economist John Kenneth Galbraith, that cares about all of its members. Otherwise, we'll keep spiralling through a liberal trend that only creates dissatisfaction, disappointment, higher crime rates, shattered families and social anarchy.

Bah, too much ranting. Time to go smoke some fools in Warsong Gulch on my Mage and stop complaining about things that won't change until I'm at retirement age and it's too late.

[Marquisate]

Winfrey and Powell? Ok, that's 2 people out of millions. They're the exception, not the rule, and when you say that they prove the rule you're proving my point!

Yeah, he actually went through the entirety of the American population and looked for blacks (will not use African American as per my previous arguement) that have high incomes and social standing and listed all of them.


WAIT! Maybe he was giving a few specific examples? No, thats crazy talk.

Specific examples of what? Of people that are the exception, not the rule? Nobody is arguing that black people can't be successful in today's society, only that the chips are somewhat stacked against most black people because of past actions by a predominantly white society. That's my point.

[Marquisate]

You're not discussing a racist problem, you're discussing a poverty problem.

My daughter went to the most expensive daycare in my city age 1-3. One day the state came up with this DHS copay system where any parent could send their child to any state licensed daycare and they state would pay for it on a sliding scale.

If you were totally unemployed the state would pay all of the costs, if you made a certain amount you might only pay $20.. but it was $20 no matter what daycare you went to.

These type of state funded socialism projects encourage one type of behavior from the companies involved.

My daycare started raising their prices through the roof.. If they raised their price to the point a honest working parent couldn't afford it, it was ok because a state funded parent would replace them.

Almost overnight the daycare was filled with undisciplined poor kids.. After my daughter got beat up the second time I yanked her from the place. When they wern't beating her up they were teaching her dirty words and some of the boys even tried to dry hump her..

I found a private montessori school and enrolled her there. I remember when I first talked to the lady I asked her if she accepted DHS co-pay and she gave me a dirty look and said no.. lol. I laughed and asked her where I could sign up.

It cost less than her old day care did, and it was 100x better. Her demeanor changed completely to a more carefree and happy child. She was a leader in her classes there and even had her own "club" that all the other kids wanted to be in.

Urban sprawl isn't a racist issue.. its just parents wanting their kids to get decent education away from the other kids who have parents that don't give a fuck about them.

EDIT: Maybe those kids arn't getting the same opportunities in life that my daughter will.. but the blame lays 100% on their parents. If you aren't prepared to put the effort in to teach your child to not dry hump everything in sight, refrain from having children..

People get too hung up on the word "racist". That ascribes blame to a specific person, and that's not what I'm trying to do; I'm not saying that we as individuals are racists. I'm trying to say that society has created specific obstacles that blacks must overcome, and we're too often quick to overlook them because of a couple success stories when the statistics don't lie - blacks earn less on average than most families, they make up the smallest percentage of wealthy Americans ($100,000 or more), they live in communities that are poor, underfunded and not integrated while whites generally live in communities that are affluent and well-funded.

There were numerous psychological studies produced at Brown that showed that an integrated classroom environment is healthier for a child's education than a segregated environment. There were also arguments made that it promotes racial harmony by teaching children to interact with and accept people of other races.

Calling it a "poverty problem" rather than a "race problem" is a semantic difference when poverty affects Blacks in a greater proportion than any other ethnic group. Moreover, earlier in the thread I discussed how past racist policies have affected Blacks today - poverty and social problems have been the result of past racism. Thus, a discussion of how to rectify the problems created by past racist policies is essential to fix the social situation of Blacks today. Moreover, calling it a "poverty problem" overlooks the social challenges that uniquely affect Blacks more so than other groups, like the "one parent" problem or the problems with negative elements in the "gangster" subculture. True, the latter may be less our problem than it is the problem of the black community, but we can help to an extent, and acknowledging that past racist policies have affected Blacks today is important because it establishes that we owe them help in overcoming some of the problem they face (whereas some people, not myself but some people, would ask "what debt or obligation do I have to help the poor?")

[Zarathustra]

My favorite hypocracy of all time is black supremacists who go around preaching Malcolm X. When in reality, the man got killed by his black peers for meeting with MLK Jr. and deciding that violence isn't the answer, equality is.

Malcolm was killed because he denounced "The Nation of Islam" and Elijah Muhammad's separatist teachings after returning from Mecca. If he kept his mouth shut about those to things in particular, NOI may not have killed him. Another EX-NOI member [Khaalis Abdul Hamaas] denounced the same people and they murdered his whole family [7 including 3-4 babies] in Washington DC.

Malcolm [admittedly...] didn't preach his own mind until after his pilgrimage. I would say there's no all-time hypocrisy to be had to fault Malcolm. I would say a great hypocrisy is that Elijah Muhammad wasn't even black. NOI simply used violence against anybody brave enough to slander them.
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I'm late but, as for Kramer, fuck him. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I wonder if there is a right way to play devil's advocate for a blatant racist. Given all of his experience in comedy, there's no excuse for him to not be able to handle a heckler.

[Anyway]

My favorite hypocracy of all time is black supremacists who go around preaching Malcolm X. When in reality, the man got killed by his black peers for meeting with MLK Jr. and deciding that violence isn't the answer, equality is.

Malcolm was killed because he denounced "The Nation of Islam" and Elijah Muhammad's separatist teachings after returning from Mecca. If he kept his mouth shut about those to things in particular, NOI may not have killed him. Another EX-NOI member [Khaalis Abdul Hamaas] denounced the same people and they murdered his whole family [7 including 3-4 babies] in Washington DC.

Malcolm [admittedly...] didn't preach his own mind until after his pilgrimage. I would say there's no all-time hypocrisy to be had to fault Malcolm. I would say a great hypocrisy is that Elijah Muhammad wasn't even black. NOI simply used violence against anybody brave enough to slander them.

Basically said what I said in more words, lol. I wasn't saying Malcolm was a hypocrite btw, I was saying the anti-whites idolizing Malcolm are hypocrites because even Malcolm eventually wised up and changed his ways.

[Marquisate]

My favorite hypocracy of all time is black supremacists who go around preaching Malcolm X. When in reality, the man got killed by his black peers for meeting with MLK Jr. and deciding that violence isn't the answer, equality is.

Malcolm was killed because he denounced "The Nation of Islam" and Elijah Muhammad's separatist teachings after returning from Mecca. If he kept his mouth shut about those to things in particular, NOI may not have killed him. Another EX-NOI member [Khaalis Abdul Hamaas] denounced the same people and they murdered his whole family [7 including 3-4 babies] in Washington DC.

Malcolm [admittedly...] didn't preach his own mind until after his pilgrimage. I would say there's no all-time hypocrisy to be had to fault Malcolm. I would say a great hypocrisy is that Elijah Muhammad wasn't even black. NOI simply used violence against anybody brave enough to slander them.
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I'm late but, as for Kramer, fuck him. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I wonder if there is a right way to play devil's advocate for a blatant racist. Given all of his experience in comedy, there's no excuse for him to not be able to handle a heckler.

Great link, thanks for the info.

[Btight]

Given all of his experience in comedy, there's no excuse for him to not be able to handle a heckler.

He's an amateur stand up comedian...

[Tilo]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2463/a809qt2.gif

[Zarathustra]

Given all of his experience in comedy, there's no excuse for him to not be able to handle a heckler.

He's an amateur stand up comedian...

I don't remember what show he did before Seinfeld I just thought he was a standup comedian like Jerry. I think all sitcom comedians develop those swift comebacks. Anyway, I guess his TV experience didn't carry over to his standup.

Basically said what I said in more words, lol. I wasn't saying Malcolm was a hypocrite btw, I was saying the anti-whites idolizing Malcolm are hypocrites because even Malcolm eventually wised up and changed his ways.

I can agree with that because when he WAS Elijah Muhammad's mouthpiece nobody else spoke with such venom.

[Gares]

http://captainoftheussinevitable.ytmnsfw.com/

kkkramer v2.0

[pingpong]

If you think "cracker-ass" and "nigger" are the same thing, then you don't know the definition of racism.

[archibaldcrane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dXBC6R_rxk (stolen from the youtube thread)

This is what I like to call an appropriate response.

[LinktheDeme]

Funny how the apology is in an episode of seinfeild!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjnm8fzRExc

[Not Kuno]

Funny how the apology is in an episode of seinfeild!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjnm8fzRExc

Ahahaha.