Vanguard is NOT the WoW or FFXI Killer

[Gulkeeva]

It has muitple furry races... but nothing so far as the mithra whore race.

nnnnnooooooooooooooo

Well the "scenery" graphics looks ok, mobs is eehhh... the forums mention alot "performance issues", hopefully thats gone by final release.

The house building thing looked nice.... would be nice if it had mithralike race... like a strip club! XD

its all about.. the gameplay, girls and if it looks decent !

[deivi]

you're all forgetting one important thing;

BRDs can name their own songs!! lol thats gotta be good for something

[neighbortaru]

everything looks like plastic barbie dolls

[Gulkeeva]

you're all forgetting one important thing;

BRDs can name their own songs!! lol thats gotta be good for something

Bards one those jobs most people will kill themselves irl for after awhile.

I had to wear femina subligar and some other stuff to keep myself... "alive" playing bard O_o

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images/bardz.jpg

makes me want to play FFXI agian, good thing i still got all my gear+character

[Vinen]

FUCK YOU VERANT

Does Verant still exist? Or did they just rename themselves sigil, or most of their people moved to Sigil or something?

Verant no longer exists. Sigil is a new company Brad started to work on Vanguard.

[Lbelle]

http://www.vanguard-esp.com/users/Gr...guard-esp2.jpg

It's not stealing from WoW? That looks like an orc in the barrens to me! And yeah I've seen several other screenshots from VG that have made me fucking just laugh hysterically because of how bad they looked.

I haven't played the game because I'm not in beta or anything, but from what I've seen and read about the game I don't think it's a WoW or FFXI killer.

[Lordwafik]

Those graphics look like pure shit. Where's the art style? Where's the theme? Or was the theme "Oatmeal" since everything looks so bland?

Even though I think wow's graphics blow donkey balls, at least they have their art style.

[Correction]

I find it somewhat amusing that people are calling an unreleased MMORPG an 'FFXI killer' in light of FFXI's relatively small share of the MMORPG market right now (mmogchart.com has it at 500k subscribers, about 5th place in the global market). Wouldn't take much to 'kill' FFXI from that point of view.

As to whether or not Vanguard is a good game, I remember this, also from mmogchart.com

It’s not that Vanguard doesn’t have a lot of other fascinating and potentially enjoyable elements. The graphics are good, and the game will feature actual dynamic weather, something that we’ve rarely seen before in MMOGs. The world itself is enormous and filled with detail, but in order to make players truly appreciate the scope of the world they are in and increase immersiveness, the game will not offer any rapid travel or teleportation; players will be forced to spend long hours traveling by foot, horse, or boat. Add to that the return to old-school harsh death penalties like exp debt and corpse runs, the slow, grindy nature of advancement in not just one but three different spheres of the game, and very little support for solo play, and it all adds up to a recipe for disaster. I’m sure there is a hardcore, dedicated group of potential players for such a game, and maybe Vanguard will capture all of them. But at best that number is only going to be a few hundred thousand subscribers. Vanguard is no WoW killer, and it simply will not appeal to the broader gaming audience the way many of the newer products in the fantasy MMORPG segment will.

Is what he says about the game still true? No teleports/homepoints/warps/summons? exp debt and corpse runs? This does not fill me with hope.

[Deuce]

Those graphics look like pure shit. Where's the art style? Where's the theme? Or was the theme "Oatmeal" since everything looks so bland?

Even though I think wow's graphics blow donkey balls, at least they have their art style.

This is exactly what I saw in the graphics myself. The rendering was nice, but nothing seemed to "flow" well together. Another reason I chose to play FFXI besides the gameplay and interactivity was the artistic design with the graphics. Yeah the graphics are outdated by like 4 or 5 years, but they still compare well to some of the games today. Personally, I think SE owes that to the innovation they used with the artistic design of the game. Even though we do keep seeing the same armor models time and again SE still manages to come up with something that looks good and new.

[Lbelle]

Those graphics look like pure shit. Where's the art style? Where's the theme? Or was the theme "Oatmeal" since everything looks so bland?

Even though I think wow's graphics blow donkey balls, at least they have their art style.

This is exactly what I saw in the graphics myself. The rendering was nice, but nothing seemed to "flow" well together. Another reason I chose to play FFXI besides the gameplay and interactivity was the artistic design with the graphics. Yeah the graphics are outdated by like 4 or 5 years, but they still compare well to some of the games today. Personally, I think SE owes that to the innovation they used with the artistic design of the game. Even though we do keep seeing the same armor models time and again SE still manages to come up with something that looks good and new.

Even with PS2 limitations FFXI does have very pretty graphics, no one can deny that.

[Gulkeeva]

I find it somewhat amusing that people are calling an unreleased MMORPG an 'FFXI killer' in light of FFXI's relatively small share of the MMORPG market right now (mmogchart.com has it at 500k subscribers, about 5th place in the global market). Wouldn't take much to 'kill' FFXI from that point of view.

As to whether or not Vanguard is a good game, I remember this, also from mmogchart.com

It’s not that Vanguard doesn’t have a lot of other fascinating and potentially enjoyable elements. The graphics are good, and the game will feature actual dynamic weather, something that we’ve rarely seen before in MMOGs. The world itself is enormous and filled with detail, but in order to make players truly appreciate the scope of the world they are in and increase immersiveness, the game will not offer any rapid travel or teleportation; players will be forced to spend long hours traveling by foot, horse, or boat. Add to that the return to old-school harsh death penalties like exp debt and corpse runs, the slow, grindy nature of advancement in not just one but three different spheres of the game, and very little support for solo play, and it all adds up to a recipe for disaster. I’m sure there is a hardcore, dedicated group of potential players for such a game, and maybe Vanguard will capture all of them. But at best that number is only going to be a few hundred thousand subscribers. Vanguard is no WoW killer, and it simply will not appeal to the broader gaming audience the way many of the newer products in the fantasy MMORPG segment will.

Is what he says about the game still true? No teleports/homepoints/warps/summons? exp debt and corpse runs? This does not fill me with hope.

I saw some videos of ridable horses, ridable... uhh.. dog? and some soorta flying dragon/lizard thing which seems to be controllable in which case you can land it anywhere or fly anywhere

They also got boats

[Groovebox]

I find it somewhat amusing that people are calling an unreleased MMORPG an 'FFXI killer' in light of FFXI's relatively small share of the MMORPG market right now

Only reason I mentioned "not a ffxi killer" was because this is a FFXI endgame forum and many of us play FFXI >.>

[Palin]

I was really looking forward to Vanguard, I've been following its release for the past year or so now, eagerly ancipating its release.

Honestly I could give a shit about the graphics, they're just bonus. I was a little disapointed when I saw the WoW-like UI, but I can get over that. I also heard a rumour, which I don't know is true or not, that after release they're going to update the graphics engine via patches. But as long as the gameplay is good, and the endgame is well managed, I'll still play the game. That's the most important thing.

The most disapointing thing is that it looks like they're having to go back on a lot of the promises they made just to finish the game. Vanguard was called "The MMO that would lead MMOs into the next generation," but it looks like they're just stealing a lot of ideas from WoW and wrapping their content in it. As long as that content proves worth it, I don't mind, its just disheartening that its a disapointment for so many people now. However, I'm not gonna pass judgment until a month or so after release. Then we can see if its a game worth playing, and if the content that was hyped lives up to it.

[Vobent]

It has muitple furry races... but nothing so far as the mithra whore race.

nnnnnooooooooooooooo

Well the "scenery" graphics looks ok, mobs is eehhh... the forums mention alot "performance issues", hopefully thats gone by final release.

The house building thing looked nice.... would be nice if it had mithralike race... like a strip club! XD

its all about.. the gameplay, girls and if it looks decent !

There's a breast slider in the character creation screen.

[Kaylia]

It's not stealing from WoW? That looks like an orc in the barrens to me! And yeah I've seen several other screenshots from VG that have made me fucking just laugh hysterically because of how bad they looked. .

I dont think Warcraft invented green looking orc >_> They are bound to look alike from one game to another



Anyway, as good as the graphic are, game still look bland. First of all, character look like ugly doll that walk around. Getting attached to them wont be as easy as it is in game like FF or WoW, where they feel alive cause of the game style. Second thing, a big world usually end up being a boring one. You know there wont be anything interesting to get, because it's not possible to fill every corner with something unique

[Eaglestrike]

It's not stealing from WoW? That looks like an orc in the barrens to me! And yeah I've seen several other screenshots from VG that have made me fucking just laugh hysterically because of how bad they looked. .

I dont think Warcraft invented green looking orc >_> They are bound to look alike from one game to another



Anyway, as good as the graphic are, game still look bland. First of all, character look like ugly doll that walk around. Getting attached to them wont be as easy as it is in game like FF or WoW, where they feel alive cause of the game style. Second thing, a big world usually end up being a boring one. You know there wont be anything interesting to get, because it's not possible to fill every corner with something unique

Well, if you have played WoW, The Barrens is pretty much the place to be from 10-22ish for Horde and that SS looks VERY similar to it. It's very very alike to it, also funny that the character happens to look just like an Orc, lol.

I was interested in Vanguard for a bit, but my computer can't handle it and FF just works for me. The more I look into other MMO's the more unique FFXI seems to be, and I like that.

[Axil]

It's not stealing from WoW? That looks like an orc in the barrens to me! And yeah I've seen several other screenshots from VG that have made me fucking just laugh hysterically because of how bad they looked. .

I dont think Warcraft invented green looking orc >_> They are bound to look alike from one game to another



Anyway, as good as the graphic are, game still look bland. First of all, character look like ugly doll that walk around. Getting attached to them wont be as easy as it is in game like FF or WoW, where they feel alive cause of the game style. Second thing, a big world usually end up being a boring one. You know there wont be anything interesting to get, because it's not possible to fill every corner with something unique

Warhammer Fantasy invented the green orc TYVM

[Rammses]

This game looks about as good as your random free clip pornstar.

[Gulkeeva]

It has muitple furry races... but nothing so far as the mithra whore race.

nnnnnooooooooooooooo

Well the "scenery" graphics looks ok, mobs is eehhh... the forums mention alot "performance issues", hopefully thats gone by final release.

The house building thing looked nice.... would be nice if it had mithralike race... like a strip club! XD

its all about.. the gameplay, girls and if it looks decent !

There's a breast slider in the character creation screen.

orly now, try get a picture of some decent looking females ingame

[Axil]

This game looks about as good as your random free clip pornstar.

those are the best