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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Either way its still a lame cop-out. I expected more out of Kishi other then Hashirama cells did it.
    How many Hashirama ex Machinas can this manga take? We'll soon find out.

    I did like how we figured out why Obito was able to pull off the silly Tobi disguise though. It's funny alot of the predictions made earlier in this thread are coming to fruition.

    Now for the sauce to team up with Naruto to even the Sharingan score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olbohn View Post
    so like if Obito is the way he is now because he witnesses his childhood love's death or some shit im going to be incredibly disappointed
    How many times is this exactly what happens in Japanese Manga? I mean, hell, look at your avatar. The same goddamn thing happened with Delita after his sister died; he went quasi-insane, deciding on a knee-jerk reaction to essentially ensure that he was going to be using instead of being used, that culminated in himself becoming king, using everyone under him, using his best friend, and getting himself a knife in the gut from his wife in the process.

    Welcome to Japan. Everything they do always ties into something else that someone before them has done. They recycle a tremendous amount of themes, and enjoy doing it, as it pays homage to those before them.

    That being said, we still need to see more. Even if he either goes insane or just becomes super disillusioned after witnessing Rin's death, we need to see how he developed mangekyou so early, when he learned all of the hax jutsu he knows (and was demonstrating at that young age, pre-naruto), when he haxx0red the Mizukage, among other things.

    This is a good start, and its very interesting how, thanks to the personalities of the Zetsu, he slowly grows to look at them as a sort of family. The guy will essentially develop Stockholme's syndrome due to being completely isolated, completely deprived of all other things (food, water; things that can remind you how enjoyable life is) when his mind breaks due to Rin, and all of a sudden, it becomes pretty justifiable, or, at the very least understandable that he could turn on his former village.

    @HK: You have too much faith in Japan, then, especially after seeing Kubo's work, haha.

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    The manga has been rehashing the same point that one person can change a characters life entirely so I'm not surprised with the Rin bit though it's a bit underwhelming since as readers we've had little to no connection with that character. I guess the connection to Kakashi is supposed to make up for it.

    I mean at least we could draw some emotions and feel for Sauce over the loss of his family, the death of the fourth and the impact on Naruto or even Orochimarus family issues and his longing to be immortal but Rin? Eh....

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    Dude wasn't a super-genius like the Sauce, though (that anyone knew of). If Sakura had been killed early on, and no one was around Naruto to offer support (or the wrong types of people were around, like Oro or Madara), we could have seen him flip his shit as well. I mean, look at what he did when he throught that the Sauce died back then, what he did later on when Oro goaded him about the Sauce, and finally, what he did when Hinata was impaled.

    The guy had his obsession killed, its quite possible that the death of Rin could have been directed by Madara to push Obito over the edge, and once again, the guy is essentially being driven towards Stockholme's Syndrome. When you have nothing else left but your captors and hatred for the people you once knew (that are still alive), anything is possible.

    Its not like you haven't seen this before, in some way shape or form. Both Madara AND Obito had a massive part in the Uchiha massacre; the one that shaped Sauske's defection and insanity. What I still want to know, however, is what Obito's plan is for Sauske. I feel like he's groomed the sauce somewhat like Madara groomed himself; perhaps the sauce is going to be the trump card that Obito needs to break free of Madara?

    There's a lot going on there that we'll find out about eventually.

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    Discount doublecheck.

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    Rin is lame. Nobody cares. As a result, nobody cares about Obito's patent Uchiha emo BS.

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    Yeah. It's seems so freaking odd to have the events of everything taking place be based on two individuals the readers barely know or care about.

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    Naruto has no chance in this fight. Obito is a Chunin. Chunin motherfuckers. Naruto is still just a genin. This fights over.

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    Naruto is posting on our boards about E bodies its the end of the world

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    I remember when ranks sort of mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    This does explain everything, the only reason people feel like it doesn't is because we have no benchmark to describe how long it was from Obito "dying", to the attack on the village and the 4th dying. With out that knowledge we have no idea if it's one year, five years, or twenty. This explains it well enough, and wasn't a useless chapter.

    I wonder how long he used that borrowed body for, and how long it takes for him to regrow an arm.

    No, I'm almost absolutely positive that Kakashi was locked in with the other children during the nine-tail attack on Konoha. Remember, the attack on Konoha was only a short while after the war. It was one of the events that ended the war. I'm rather curious how Obito could grow that much and get that skilled that he's on-par with Minato while Kakashi and the rest of his peers were locked up with the kids.

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    While trying to escape, Kakashi was hit by a rock which he didn't notice because of his bandaged eye causing him to fall. Obito pushed Kakashi out of the path of a falling boulder, causing himself to be crushed beneath it instead. Knowing his life was at an end, Obito instructed Rin to implant his left Sharingan into Kakashi's damaged eye. Rin complied, and as soon as the surgery was completed Kakashi used the Sharingan and his Chidori to kill Kakkō. He then returned to Obito to see if there was anything he could do for him, but the place was turning into shambles, forcing Kakashi and Rin to leave him behind. With the help of Minato, they ultimately completed their mission, allowing them to mourn Obito's supposed death.


    Soon after the end of the war, when the Nine-Tails attacked Konohagakure, Kakashi and the rest of his peers were barred from participating in the defence of the village by Kurenai's father and other older shinobi
    Kannabi Bridge (which is what Kakashi and team went to destroy) lead the third world war to turn in Konoha's favor, meaning it occured towards the end of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin sparthos View Post
    Still waiting for the explanation of how Obito went from rank failure to top tier but I suppose that'll be explained as being tutored by Madara doing his best Obi-wan impression.

    Also, has it been explained wtf Black Zetsu is at all?
    Beeing trapped underground for a countless time, without having to poop, eat, or sleep. All while being fueled by the power of love, hate, and friendship.

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    Re: Naruto

    The ninetails fight can be explained with madara channeling chakra to a zetsu clone.
    Otherwise, it doesnt fit in the timeline, as kakashi is still with the kids doing jackshit.

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    Re: Naruto

    Or time travel jutsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Null View Post
    Beeing trapped underground for a countless time, without having to poop, eat, or sleep. All while being fueled by the power of love, hate, and friendship.

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    If it was time-travel jutsu then Obito could have just traveled back in time to the point where Naruto was given the fox after he killed Kushina and just taken it then.

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    Or any time in general where Naruto is supposedly living on his own as a child. The third, hell nobody was except Minato, wasn't even aware Tobi had attacked the village. The dude could slip through motherfucking walls.

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    Or time doesn't move at all inside the place except for the person(s) in there

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    Yeah, I vaguely assumed it was a hyperbolic time chamber kinda deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insanecyclone View Post
    Or time doesn't move at all inside the place except for the person(s) in there
    That's actually plausible. At least, time moves faster in that place or moves slower outside.