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    Company Sword

    For anyone who's interested, finally did a real test on the fucking thing. It does indeed have a hidden effect:

    Damage = ( D + fSTR + 2n ) * pDIF, where n = (party size) - 2

    The direct quote from where I originally posted it on KI:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferien
    Finished the tests. Results are:
    Max Crits:
    1 member: 177
    2 members: 177
    3 members: 183
    4 members: 189
    5 members: 195
    6 members: 201

    This actually tells us something completely unexpected: Company Sword adds to the calculation of Base Damage, not to the actual DMG rating on the weapon. Here's the reasoning:
    Theoretical DMG ratings:
    1 - 46
    2 - 46
    3 - 48
    4 - 50
    5 - 52
    6 - undefined

    Following the trend, with 6 members we should have a base damage of 54. Unfortunately, we run into a problem mathematically.
    54 + floor( 54 / 9 ) +8 = 54 + 6 + 8 = 68
    68 * 3 = 204

    If Company increased the base DMG directly, I would have seen a crit of 204. However, I did not. Therefore, without further ado, the damage formula modified for Company Sword:
    Damage = (D + fSTR + 2n) * pDIF, where n = (number of members in your party) - 2

    The Wiki has been updated to reflect this information.
    I'll post the screenshots if anyone wants to see, but I doubt anyone cares enough. I half expect to be moved to the newb forum >.>

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    The WRANK of a weapon is a fixed (hidden)value, generally based on its displayed damage. WRANK of company sword is floor(46/9)=5 at all party sizes. fSTR cap is 8+WRANK.

    You can see a similar effect on Wagh Baghnaks, whose WRANK is 1 even when the latent effect is active.

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    So the point of this was to say that the damage plus i added on to the attack damage rather than the damage rating of weapon...

    I dont want to be mean or anything but... nvm i just wont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgie
    So the point of this was to say that the damage plus i added on to the attack damage rather than the damage rating of weapon...

    I dont want to be mean or anything but... nvm i just wont.
    There's nothing to be mean about. He's right, it deserved a post somewhere, it's good data. It is more data that confirms that WRANK is a fixed value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgie
    So the point of this was to say that the damage plus i added on to the attack damage rather than the damage rating of weapon...

    I dont want to be mean or anything but... nvm i just wont.
    It was actually to finally set something straight that there's only been hearsay about and no tests. People have been going around for years saying there was a hidden effect, but I'd never seen a test, so I took it upon myself to do it. Sorry~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferien
    Sorry~
    Never apologise for a genuine and worthwhile attempt to add to the pool of knowledge regarding something people are interested in.

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    Oh I was just being sarcastic, don't worry.

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    I just wanna be mean :(

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    I have one question regarding the Company Sword though. Do you just need to have people in same party as you or do they have to be somewhat close/in same zone/etc? What is the exact requisite? It would make it easy for me to solo if I just made a pt with a bunch of afk friends and went out and killed stuff lol.

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    Are WSs calculated with the hidden damage or just 46?

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    They were all in the zone with me, but not all within XP range.

    Also, didn't test WS, though now that you mention it, I probably should. I'll head over there later and test it out with Flat or Vorpal Blade.

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    Also will it still apply if they were in a different zone?... or...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagel
    Are WSs calculated with the hidden damage or just 46?
    hidden

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    I know very little when it comes to damage formulas and other smart stuff but whenever I would PLD/NIN DD in shrine I always main handed it and had significant damage boosts comparred to Espadon+1 and other weapons.(I never got a Hrotti)

    This was on base hits and WS. I also tried several different setups as far as DD gear / Acc gear / WS gear and merits and Company Sword always came out on top. Oh and I think I still have one on my character, wonder how much they sell for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heian
    Oh and I think I still have one on my character, wonder how much they sell for now.
    15k'ish in Kujata, 20-40k in Valefor.

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    You remind me to change the weapon rank wiki page.

    I changed it just now.
    I've also heard the same story regarding Blau Dolch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzer
    Quote Originally Posted by Heian
    Oh and I think I still have one on my character, wonder how much they sell for now.
    15k'ish in Kujata, 20-40k in Valefor.
    Ouch I remember when they were 2 mil +

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    I don't know damage formulas so someone explain this to me. Since the crit with 6 people was less than previously expected, does this mean its slightly worse than anticipated, atleast with 6 people?

    If possible, is there anyway could you test Sirius axe like this (srsly?).

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    I just wanted to share this quote for pure amusement value from someone who was arguing with Ferien about his tests on KI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saintdale
    I think just the opposite as you. I think tests on too weak mobs would be the truly flawed ones, as they would give you false indications of how much damage you could actually inflict. Try this: go fight something like an even match monster somewhere, something relatively equal to you in terms of stats - and pick something realistic to this debate also, don't go grab an elemental or something just so you can be difficult.
    If you want to read some other great gems about why testing on low level mobs is stupid the thread is here

    http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=145936

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    Quote Originally Posted by solsovly
    I don't know damage formulas so someone explain this to me. Since the crit with 6 people was less than previously expected, does this mean its slightly worse than anticipated, atleast with 6 people?

    If possible, is there anyway could you test Sirius axe like this (srsly?).
    There isn't anything 'worse than expected'. It just the OP didn't get detailed information of one variable, and thus over-measuring one variable by 1 point

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