Salvage - Arrapago Remnants - thread 2

[Francisco II]

What's the approximate drop rate of Archaic Chariot (Usukane Legs, Skadi Feet), Archaic Gear (Morrigan Legs) and Psycheflayer NM (Morrigan Crown)?

[divisortheory]

What's the approximate drop rate of Archaic Chariot (Usukane Legs, Skadi Feet), Archaic Gear (Morrigan Legs) and Psycheflayer NM (Morrigan Crown)?

in my experience it's about a 5% drop rate per piece, for a total of about 15% chance of getting something to drop when you kill it.

[Francisco II]

What's the approximate drop rate of Archaic Chariot (Usukane Legs, Skadi Feet), Archaic Gear (Morrigan Legs) and Psycheflayer NM (Morrigan Crown)?

in my experience it's about a 5% drop rate per piece, for a total of about 15% chance of getting something to drop when you kill it.

Was this with your THF?

If so, how much TH did/do you have (if it matters in Salvage).

[divisortheory]

[quote=Francisco II]

What's the approximate drop rate of Archaic Chariot (Usukane Legs, Skadi Feet), Archaic Gear (Morrigan Legs) and Psycheflayer NM (Morrigan Crown)?

in my experience it's about a 5% drop rate per piece, for a total of about 15% chance of getting something to drop when you kill it.

Was this with your THF?

If so, how much TH did/do you have (if it matters in Salvage).[/quote:85cfa]

TH4. But sometimes we never got a hand cell drop, so it was a mix of TH3 and TH4. Always had Knife though. The first two times we ever killed the chariot it dropped. First time ever was double drop, second time was single drop. After that it didn't drop again for over a month

[NynJa]

its like most low drop rate items: completely random.

[Garion]

/sigh with all I have seen I simply think TH is a myth that SE created to just give us hope for drops.

[Aemora]

Made up a theory for the 6th Floor QQTHs - maybe if you let the otehr two QQTHs stay alive and totally ignore them they will reapear on floor 6 with a higher droprate!


I dont think anyone ever ignored them up to this point because everyone needs to coats. Of course I dont think anyone actually wants to test this

Had an epic of a fail last Arrapago (I didn't even take any screenshots it was that appauling), didn't kill ANY NMs; we got gayed over BIGTIME... 1 Weapon from Qutrub, 1 JA, 1 HP, 4 Ranged ... We got all 6 Magic needed though, and 0 SJ cell drops.

With such an epic failure of a setup, we hit up 0 QQs and just went for the Chariot, which the group wiped to at 35% because we simply ran out of Mana because our other Mnk didn't have /Nin, and it was spamming like a bitch.

Anyway, I Hermes's it up to Floor 6 and scouted around ... No Qiqirns. So Not killing the QQTHs on previous floor lax QQTHs on the sixth floor. Unless it's some gay thing that you have to open the door to the boss to get them to pop. Le sigh.

Such an epic failure of a run.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Too lazy to look through the thread, but has letting QQAs warp been tested as a 6F pop condition? There's 2 instances where you can fight QQAs (3 total, but only 2 can be fought), and 2 6F QQTHs, makes sense. If so, I'm guessing they're drop cuirasses.

[Francisco II]

Few questions:

Other than Qutrub, are cells on Floor 1 and 2 100% drops?

Can a THF drop aggro on a Qiqirn by using "Hide" after stealing from it? Is it pretty much a guarentee that "Steal" will succeed in getting a SJ/Body cell from the Qiqirns?

How common/uncommon are SJ cells from the Archaic Gear mobs on Floor 4?

Are the Floor 4 Psycheflayers true sight/sound? Do they link or aggro low HP?

How difficult are the Archaic Gear/Gears/Chariot compared to other areas?

[Not Kuno]

Other than Qutrub, are cells on Floor 1 and 2 100% drops?

Hahaha. No.

Can a THF drop aggro on a Qiqirn by using "Hide" after stealing from it? Is it pretty much a guarentee that "Steal" will succeed in getting a SJ/Body cell from the Qiqirns?

No idea but they are always next to the tele and like to run around so you can always just go up on tele after steal.

How common/uncommon are SJ cells from the Archaic Gear mobs on Floor 4?

Fairly common. Single gears only.

Are the Floor 4 Psycheflayers true sight/sound? Do they link or aggro low HP?

Just like normal soulflayers. Agro true sight, magic, JA. They are demons so they dont agro HP.

How difficult are the Archaic Gear/Gears/Chariot compared to other areas?

Not that hard but w/o alot of HP, triple gear WS will rape everyone. I don't think theres a regular chariot mob in this zone.

[Francisco II]

The floor 1-2 mobs are all just as bad as Qutrub drop rates?

There is an Archaic Chariot on floor 5 (one one each path). It drops Lv.35 Usukane Legs, Skadi Feet and I think Marduk Feet.

Current plan is to probably enter with MNK, NIN, THF, BLU, RDM, RDM, SAM... This run is solely for farming level 15 and 35 gear. We won't be attempting the boss.

Floor 1:

Farm Qutrubs until melees have weapons, and avoid them with sneak/invis from there on out.

Target Lamiae for WS/Magic and MP.

Kill a few skeletons for HP.

- Killing the Rampart / Sabotender for a Hands cell (THF has relic hands) is tempting, but I'm not sure it's worth all the backtracking.

Take the NE portal to the 2nd Floor.

Floor 2:

Have the THF steal a SJ cell from the Qiqirn, and Hide if possible.

Clear the NE room for any further needed HP or ability cells - possibly some rings.

If the Qiqirn isn't able to be tricked with Hide, steal the SJ cell after clearing the room.

- I'd prefer to steal the cell before clearing the room if possible, to avoid waiting on Steal recast on Floor 3.

Floor 3:

Take the west path towards the southern area.

Skip all mobs on this floor, steal a Body cell from the Qiqirn and warp to Floor 4.

Floor 4 (south):

Farm some Archaic Gear mobs for subjob cells (and if we're lucky, some equipment).

Head south and kill the Psychflayer NM, then warp to Floor 5.

Floor 5:

Kill Archaic Chariot (Lv.35 armor).

Clear as many gear/gears as we have time for (Lv.15 armor).

Floor 6:

Kill more gears, and hope for armor drops.

And on a side note - does anyone else agree that the most fucking annoying aspect of salvage is trying to refer to the single Archaic Gear mobs in plural - and not confusing someone with "Archaic Gears"?

[Uzor]

And on a side note - does anyone else agree that the most fucking annoying aspect of salvage is trying to refer to the single Archaic Gear mobs in plural - and not confusing someone with "Archaic Gears"?

I just refer plural of single gear as gears, and gears as gearS

[Not Kuno]

I dunno how I forgot about the chariot. XD My bad. ._.

[Suiram]

And on a side note - does anyone else agree that the most fucking annoying aspect of salvage is trying to refer to the single Archaic Gear mobs in plural - and not confusing someone with "Archaic Gears"?

I just refer plural of single gear as gears, and gears as gearS

I call them 1-gear(s) and 3-gears(s) when it's not clear from context.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I say single and triple gears (and double gears), or gear solos and trios (and duos).

[Almalexia]

I try to always say "gear" when I mean single and "gears" when I mean triple. Even when there are many singles, I refer to them as "those Archaic Gear." Fuck the grammar, we only have 100 minutes.

[Francisco II]

The beauty of Arrapago for me is:

1) We don't immediately need any of the QQ NMs on my 6-8 man runs.

2) We have a TH4 THF.

Is the boss beatable with MNK, NIN, RDM, BRD, BLM, BLM, THF?

Job availability is as follows:

1: MNK
2: NIN, SAM, WAR
3: RDM
4: BRD, RDM
5: BLM, BLU
6: BLM, NIN, SAM, WHM (maybe only ~72 WHM)
7: THF, WAR
8: PLD, BLU (nice guy, but I think he'd be bored this run)

[divisortheory]

WHM is always nice, especially if you're doing the soulflayer route. But yea, it's beatable with that. If tanks are keeping shadows up healing isn't a huge deal against the boss, and you don't need to worry about erasing bind so much. Just getting rid of the paralyze.

[Kaylia]

One single rdm suck if you are unlucky on 5th floor with subjob and going for chariot

[Wizerd]

One single rdm suck if you are unlucky on 5th floor with subjob and going for chariot

One RDM is all I've ever needed in combination with Elegy from BRD, to keep 1 MNK/NIN DD/tank alive. Hell we triod it once just with those jobs lol.