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  1. #1
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    So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Y Axis : pDIF
    X Axis : cRatio

    Blue : New
    Blue+ Red : Old

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/vzx/new_pDif.png
    Courtesy of Studio Gobli

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Umm, can you explain please? I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I don't know how to interpret that graph.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Ah nvm just blind as a bat lol

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Yea I don't quite understand it either

    blue = new
    blue+red = old
    red by it self = ???

    And yes I am legally retarded :D

    edit: woops switched old and new around D:

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    As far as I can see the max pdif post-update is now 1.5 for 1 handed weapons?

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    And for 2-handers, they are able to read the top now? (without SA or crit)

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by LinktheDeme
    Yea I don't quite understand it either

    blue = old
    blue+red = new
    red by it self = ???

    And yes I am legally retarded :D
    Red by itself is supposed to cover the whole graph. Blue covers the capped part of the Red graph. So Red by itself is the old values.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by Keno
    Umm, can you explain please? I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I don't know how to interpret that graph.
    1 graph = a thousand word
    in case you can't interpret it:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._pDif_expl.jpg

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    That's just a graphical representation of what I posted a few days ago, nothing complicated although it does show it in a nice visual format, except it doesn't look like people understand the visual format any better than the text explanation

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by Nagamaki
    That's just a graphical representation of what I posted a few days ago, nothing complicated although it does show it in a nice visual format, except it doesn't look like people understand the visual format any better than the text explanation
    I do

    Text, english, other languages make sense less to me 90% of the time

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    So one handers got their PDifs nerfed down from 2.4 to 2.0 which includes criticals?

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    One thing the graph shows, but doesn't really show, is that crits from somewhere between 1.7 and 2.3 Cratio start to give you a higher average because of old Pdif values of 2.0 capping at 3.0 on crits. I'm not positive exactly what Cratio you would need to do better with this current system than the previous, but I'm guessing around 2.1-2.2 Cratio. You'll do better vs. TW mobs farming, and in xp if you have enough attack buffs.

    Took me forever to figure out how to explain that, so there's probably been 100 posts and somebody already said something to this effect.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by BRP
    And for 2-handers, they are able to read the top now? (without SA or crit)
    Quote Originally Posted by Square Enix
    Amount of damage is not corrected properly when characters are equipped with two-handed weapons.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Image EDIT #2:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pDif_expl3.jpg

    Blue old average, assuming even distribution
    Using linear interpolation from 2 points and averaging 2 functions:
    pDIF_avg = 1.0535*cRatio -0.5893

    Red new average, assuming even distribution
    Using linear interpolation from 2 points and averaging 2 functions:
    pDIF_avg = 0.625*cRatio + 0.5626

    so cRatio increase on nerfed region about 40% less effective than before

    One thing to confirm is whether This capped 2.0 region has unique behaviour like the one that has pDIF=1.0 (i.e. 33±7% of the value is 1.0). The formula would be
    pDIF_avg = 0.4167*cRatio + 1.04167 (Green line)

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by LinktheDeme
    So one handers got their PDifs nerfed down from 2.4 to 2.0 which includes criticals?
    No, one handers got their pDIF's buffed up from 1.6 to 2.0.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Quote Originally Posted by LinktheDeme
    So one handers got their PDifs nerfed down from 2.4 to 2.0 which includes criticals?
    No, one handers got their pDIF's buffed up from 1.6 to 2.0.
    Only when cratio exceeds 2 to some degree. While I can hit that point on sea puks using chaos roll w/ drk and my massive ATK build, most quality 1h users will be smack dab in the middle of the nerfed zone.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Quote Originally Posted by LinktheDeme
    So one handers got their PDifs nerfed down from 2.4 to 2.0 which includes criticals?
    No, one handers got their pDIF's buffed up from 1.6 to 2.0.
    No. Previously if you had a cRatio of 2.0 your pDIF would range from 1.6 to 2.4. Now if you have that same cRatio your pDIF will range from 1.6 to 2.0. In order to get the same amount of damage previously attainable you need even more attack. This also means that as your cRatio increases from around 1.6 you will experience dimishing effects from attack.

    I may be a little bit off, but the general concept is still 100% true.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    The thing that this really shows, is that there is obviously a problem, and that it is highly doubtful that it was intentional.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    If it was unintentional why didn't they mention it when they listed the known problems.

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    Re: So this is what they've done with 1hander pDIF

    Should have made the "red + blue" part of the graph more distinguishable from the red part. Some sort of "blurple" might work better.

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