Suggestion for Relic weaponskills

[Eaglestrike]

The SE discussion sub-forum seems locked and I wanted to post and see what others thought of the idea.

I suggest that all Relic weaponskills are buffed by letting them ignore level correction pDIF. For merit mobs this would be like adding an additional minuet. For HNM's it'd be like...2x 2hr minuets.

Ideally there'd also be a change so that all the WS's were STR-based like any good WS should be, but at least with this non-SA WS's wouldn't suck completely (for jobs like NIN and MNK that /thf is weak or not possible) and it should at least bring relic THF's to higher/equal numbers to SAM's on HNM's. It'd make Rykoshet even more broken but I think DRK/MNK/THF/NIN/RNG/etc. would all benefit from this more than that really matters.

[Beckwin]

It'd make Rykoshet even more broken

Shield Bash already ignores atk/defense.

[Theraven]

It'd make Rykoshet even more broken

Shield Bash already ignores atk/defense.

Whoosh?

Pretty sure he was using the (quite dated at this point) joke about people mistaking ryko for rukenshin.

[BRP]

Ideally there'd also be a change so that all the WS's were STR-based like any good WS should be, but at least with this non-SA WS's wouldn't suck completely (for jobs like NIN and MNK that /thf is weak or not possible) and it should at least bring relic THF's to higher/equal numbers to SAM's on HNM's. It'd make Rykoshet even more broken but I think DRK/MNK/THF/NIN/RNG/etc. would all benefit from this more than that really matters.

I'd rather they fix those non-STR mods, so they are worth it. Like let them mimic STR for WSes for when considering fstr or something like that.

[Mufferino]

It'd make Rykoshet even more broken

Shield Bash already ignores atk/defense.

Whoosh?

Pretty sure he was using the (quite dated at this point) joke about people mistaking ryko for rukenshin.

been a while since someone made that joke, Well placed I approve.

[Tekki]

I approve of this thread. Its sad that I spent 12039120391239120319230 gil and i still spam Vorpal Blade......

[Keno]

I'd be sad too if I upgraded Excal..

[LD]

While dropping level correction does sound like a good idea, I think improving the WSs themselves would be a better first step. A lot of them are ridiculously underpowered and have even more ridiculous added effects. The only really good ones seem to be Mercy Stroke and Kaiten.

[Don Katsu]

I approve of this thread. Its sad that I spent 12039120391239120319230 gil and i still spam Vorpal Blade......

best line I have heard this week hah

Maybe they can open up level 4 skillchain (I believe there was something like it in Altana view)

[Lordwafik]

While dropping level correction does sound like a good idea, I think improving the WSs themselves would be a better first step. A lot of them are ridiculously underpowered and have even more ridiculous added effects. The only really good ones seem to be Mercy Stroke and Kaiten.

Changing the poison to be something relic worthy would be nice too. 50/tic sure, 20/tic even I'd like. 10/tic? :\

[Tekki]

Ive had my fun outparsing everyone on HNM fights. Can we change the add effect to give hate now prz!

[Lordwafik]

Ive had my fun outparsing everyone on HNM fights. Can we change the add effect to give hate now prz!

Think of the RDMs tekki! Think of all those melee rdms!

[Veli]

Somebody should tell SE that BLM/SMN don't melee. 25% increase to magic spells and -4 avatar perp cost would be a nice hidden effect. A new avatar or a new BLM spell would be nice. Would be cool if Excalibur gave +20 enmity to PLD and -20 enmity to RDM but that's probably not possible. All final weapon skills should do more damage than the ws you already have. I wonder if there's a common sense headquarters at SE.

[Priran]

instead of buffing ruke even more, how about we just make the sucky relic WS not suck?

[Nagamaki]

WSC or fTP mods to Final Heaven won't make it better than AF in typical situations unless the mods are really, really drastic, although it would make it actually viable vs Dragon Kick /THF.

/THF for MNK is far from bad, its just pretty situationnal. Regardless, especially with the DK buff FH really has no purpose now except for SC options, and that's only worthwhile if the SC will be unresisted enough to warrant using a lower damage WS.

There's a shitload of ways relic WS (and improperly balanced relics) could be fixed, but SE doesn't seem to have a clue and nobody ever seems to mention there even is a problem in interviews.

[Ploid]

Excal should give enmity no matter if it's pld or rdm since both of them are tank jobs. Would be worth loosing one of the +4 enmity swords if it did give enmity for the additional effect I bet.

[Admo]

Excal should give enmity no matter if it's pld or rdm since both of them are tank jobs. Would be worth loosing one of the +4 enmity swords if it did give enmity for the additional effect I bet.

huh? O.o

[Domer]

Don't argue with him. He has a lv3 RDM. Have you seen the kind of shit they can tank at that level!?

[Ploid]

My rdm is actually 75. The sig is a inside joke to people in my shell.

http://i12.tinypic.com/68h5k7r.jpg another one but quite large for a sig.

[Genosync]

Excal should give enmity no matter if it's pld or rdm since both of them are tank jobs. Would be worth loosing one of the +4 enmity swords if it did give enmity for the additional effect I bet.

huh? O.o

So, 99% of Fafnirs on our servers are tanked with ____s.

Fill in the blank. Still trying to figure out why you huh'd at it. =/