Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[Gwynplaine]

I'm hoping to hell Macha's Pigaches is 5f's though...I've wanted those since Salvage was released .___.

Yes, this is why I made this damn thread lol.

[Minions]

Bout fucking time. Finally we are figuring out these bastard Madames!

[archibaldcrane]

7/7 members unlocked by the end of 3, warped up to 5 @ 66 mins, Poroggo Madame up.

(no drop) ; ;

[Gwynplaine]

Hmmm full unlock is looking good. But I will refrain from optimism because Zhayolm will find out and withdraw it's recent courtesy.

[Leeto]

This is pretty nuts. Good work guys

[Lilswitche]

I'm starting to lean towards that a certain number of cells need to be used in order for the madame to pop. For future runs, would anyone be able to have their group keep track of how many cells exactly were used?

That being said, would anyone be willing to try and bring a couple mules in their runs, and have them use any extra cells that would normally go to waste ?

[aurik]

Entered early iceday, 7 people.
Earth weather was up upon zone-in, it went away at ~14:00 and stayed gone for the rest of the run.

Floor 1:
Inner room 1, mamool, 1 puk
Inner room 2, mamool, 3 ziz
Inner room 3, mamool, 4 raptor
Inner room 4, mamool, 4 bugard
Zone-up NE at 16:45

Floor 2:
NE SE SW NW full clear.
Zone-up at 38:05

Floor 3:
South-side Mamool clear
Everyone is fully unlocked at this point
Zone-up at 49:55

Floor 4:
Mamool x6 clear
Rampart #3 + Marid clear
Stand around until 66, open door
Zone-up at 66:10

Floor 5:
Madame popped. Killed, no drop.
Killed everything else on the floor, nothing but cards.
Zone-up at 98:00

Floor 6:
No madame up, timed out.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6599/5fnad8.png

[Lordwafik]

Giev frog

[Gwynplaine]

OP updated with all current info (and is now freaking enormous).

[pchan]

After examining the op, if the # of pathos counts, then it's somewhere between 20-30. 1 person unlocked = 5 pathos 1 person not unlocked = prolly at least 2-3 pathos from 1F (magic, ability or SJ). Most of the failures seem to have few unlock but it's only eye balling since ppl didnt keep track.

Another possibility is that only equippement(2F) and stats(3F) count, since it's somewhat natural and not time consuming to give SJ+ability+magic (=3 pathos) to everyone on 1F in 6-8 ppl groups.

It would be interesting that ppl keep track of how many pathos and what pathos you unlock.

[Uzor]

We're almost there! Just a little bit further!

[Arthars]

gogo Alma

35 usukane hands drop from 5F N

hurry up do it and tell us haste bonus :D :D

[Uzor]

gogo Alma

35 usukane hands drop from 5F N

hurry up do it and tell us haste bonus :D :D

Is that confirmed?

I don't think we'll have to worry about Alma. He'll keep killing 5FN until either all 3 (or 4 maybe?) drops have been discovered, and then find a way to spawn 6th floor

[Wizerd]

After examining the op, if the # of pathos counts, then it's somewhere between 20-30. 1 person unlocked = 5 pathos 1 person not unlocked = prolly at least 2-3 pathos from 1F (magic, ability or SJ). Most of the failures seem to have few unlock but it's only eye balling since ppl didnt keep track.

Another possibility is that only equippement(2F) and stats(3F) count, since it's somewhat natural and not time consuming to give SJ+ability+magic (=3 pathos) to everyone on 1F in 6-8 ppl groups.

It would be interesting that ppl keep track of how many pathos and what pathos you unlock.

Except that in my group of 7, everyone had unlocked SJ, Abilities, Magic, and everyone had everything unlocked except equipment, which 5 people had locked, and 2 had unlocked. That brings the total pathos unlocked to 30.

[Arthars]

confirmed by my 6th sense

according to pattern of the entire salvage, i would say 99.9% 3rd drop is usu hand

we'll see but i'm betting 100k ifrit gil on this!

and most impt give alma an enthuiastic boost and tell us the haste bonus ^^

[Wizerd]

confirmed by my 6th sense

according to pattern of the entire salvage, i would say 99.9% 3rd drop is usu hand

we'll see but i'm betting 100k ifrit gil on this!

and most impt give alma an enthuiastic boost and tell us the haste bonus ^^

99.9% is pretty good considering logic would give it about a 49.9% chance. It should be either the Usukane hands or the Marduk head.

[Uzor]

I'd guess on either Morrigan feet or Ares feet =/ Sure, doesn't fit in with 5th floor Chariot in Arrapago, but I'd guess Marduk head/body and Morrigan/Ares feet drops from different NM's

[Sagacious Sundi]

confirmed by my 6th sense

according to pattern of the entire salvage, i would say 99.9% 3rd drop is usu hand

we'll see but i'm betting 100k ifrit gil on this!

and most impt give alma an enthuiastic boost and tell us the haste bonus ^^

99.9% is pretty good considering logic would give it about a 49.9% chance. It should be either the Usukane hands or the Marduk head.

Do any 15/35 NMs drop 2 pieces from the same set? So I would guess it's Usu from 5FN, or Ares/Morrigan are split here and we get to laugh at Alma. Or it has only 2 drops and we still get to laugh at Alma.

[Wizerd]

confirmed by my 6th sense

according to pattern of the entire salvage, i would say 99.9% 3rd drop is usu hand

we'll see but i'm betting 100k ifrit gil on this!

and most impt give alma an enthuiastic boost and tell us the haste bonus ^^

99.9% is pretty good considering logic would give it about a 49.9% chance. It should be either the Usukane hands or the Marduk head.

Do any 15/35 NMs drop 2 pieces from the same set? So I would guess it's Usu from 5FN, or Ares/Morrigan are split here and we get to laugh at Alma. Or it has only 2 drops and we still get to laugh at Alma.

Now hush you, I posted before my thought completed. <_< I'm not sure what to think after going over the other 3 areas...

Bhaflau
4F - Skadi body / Marduk legs
3F - Ares's hands / Skadi head
2F - Usukane feet / Skadi head
1F - Morrigan hands / Marduk legs

Things to note: Marduk and Skadi, though rarer, have more chances to drop under the right circumstances. Skadi and Marduk are also paired at the top. Ares's and Morrigan's merely took "filler positions".

Silver Seas
4F - Usukane body (lv15 Morrigan head)
3F - Ares's legs (lv15 Ares's head)
-- North Path --
3F - Skadi hands (lv15 Marduk hands)
2F - Marduk feet (lv15 Skadi feet)
-- South Path --
2F - Morrigan legs (lv15 Usukane legs)
-- Both --
1F - Usukane head

Things to note: Skadi and Marduk are paired closely once again.

Arrapago
6F - Morrigan body (2 of 4 chances)
5F - Ares's body (1 of 2 chances)
5F - Marduk hands, Usukane legs, Skadi feet
4F - Morrigan body (1 of 4 chances)
4F - Morrigan head (South Path), Ares's head (North Path)
3F - Morrigan body (1 of 4 chances)
2F - Ares's body (1 of 2 chances)

Things to note: Ares's and Morrigan's hold a very "keep away from each other while being similar" pattern.


Now, with Zhayolm, the relationship between Skadi and Marduk is obvious (though I am quite surprised it was the body piece and not the head that dropped from it). The 4FN Madame drops Skadi, Marduk, and Usukane, which might lead one to believe that's what this Madame drops also. But Usukane doesn't show a close relationship to anything except two instances: 5F Arrapago chariot and 4FN Zhayolm Madame.

I'm gonna go with Arthar's answer for now, Usukane hands. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the feet pieces that drops instead. The former would keep with the pattern of Arrapago/Zhayolm and form a nice grouping of things being beside each other slot-wise (Body-Hands-Legs, Feet-Head assuming an infinite loop).

Brain explosion. Usukane hands go?

[docvicious]

I still stay 5thN drops 4 items and 6th will drop 2