Too much TH can be a bad thing?

[spooky]

Today some friends and I were trying to farm a coffer key in castle.o for RDM AF. PT was BRD(me), THF(with TH+4 the whole time) and SAM.
Time goes by and of course no key drops, what we do get is a ton of tests. We are litraly farming for well over an hr and 1/2 still no key...
It's gone 2am for me, and I'm getting pretty anoyed. I say to my THF friend, why don't you take off your knife, maybe we'll get less tests and more keys.
Before this we were littraly getting a test on every mob. He takes the knife off, we kill 3 mobs, no tests, 3rd mob drops key.
I've SSs of all this, which I can upload, but it's nearly 3am and I'm really tired. Q_Q
So, can too much TH be a bad thing? Was I right, or is this just some fluke; you decied BG!
P.S sorry if spelling and grammar are poor, 'tis sleepy time ._.

[Jaybar]

Bad luck.

[spooky]

Bad luck.

I dunno... 0/90+ for TH4, switch down to TH3, then get key on 3rd kill?
Seems like some crazy bad luck to me. >.>
Would anyone with TH4 like to repeat my experiment? :D
Also, went 1/2 yesterday with no TH for DRK AF lol.
EDIT: btw your sig is amazing. I really like it.

[Sepuku]

Would anyone with TH4 like to repeat my experiment? :D

Done it a lot and swapped in and out A Armlets or T knife.
Equipped +th raises your chances extremely.
You only had bad luck. Which i had to suffer too at times. ( up to 3 hours of farming )

I have done coffer key farming at certain areas for up to 3 months each area.
And old school Th4 was a curse , had to help many friends for coffer farming.


Castle O.:

only coffer key drop area before the Genkai 3 pit , monks and bard type yagudos drop bad.
Nin and blm drop better.
average 30-180 minute droppers.

Garbage shitadel :
best droppers for coffer key =weapon type mobs they are across serket area.
average 5-10 minute droppers.

Badeaux:
4 door room
average 30-180 minute drop

Davoi:
after monastic caverns exit and stay right cross the bridge kill all mobs before monastic caverns entrance to the Genkai area dragoons drop well.
average 5-10 minute drop

Castle zvahl:
best droppers in the middle section 24hr NM area.
average 30-180 minute drop

Den of Rancor:
drop best drop of eyes and tonberries
average 30 minute

Uggalepih temple:
best drop of Rogberry area and further downstairs
average 30 minute

Nest:
best dropped of scorpions at the coffer spawn section
average 5-10 minute

eldieme:
average 60-120 minute dropper

quicksand:
average 20 minute drop at the loxley bow Nm area is easy and quick

cauldron key:
easiest are wespes
average 10-20 minute drop

grotto:
best droppers are eyes
average 30 minute drop

[Woozie]

Bad luck.

Pretty much sums it up.

[Skeetaru]

Would anyone with TH4 like to repeat my experiment? :D

Done it a lot and swapped in and out A Armlets or T knife.
Equipped +th raises your chances extremely.
You only had bad luck. Which i had to suffer too at times. ( up to 3 hours of farming )

I have done coffer key farming at certain areas for up to 3 months each area.
And old school Th4 was a curse , had to help many friends for coffer farming.


Castle O.:

only coffer key drop area before the Genkai 3 pit , monks and bard type yagudos drop bad.
Nin and blm drop better.
average 30-180 minute droppers.

Garbage shitadel :
best droppers for coffer key =weapon type mobs they are across serket area.
average 5-10 minute droppers.

Badeaux:
4 door room
average 30-180 minute drop

Davoi:
after monastic caverns exit and stay right cross the bridge kill all mobs before monastic caverns entrance to the Genkai area dragoons drop well.
average 5-10 minute drop

Castle zvahl:
best droppers in the middle section 24hr NM area.
average 30-180 minute drop

Den of Rancor:
drop best drop of eyes and tonberries
average 30 minute

Uggalepih temple:
best drop of Rogberry area and further downstairs
average 30 minute

Nest:
best dropped of scorpions at the coffer spawn section
average 5-10 minute

eldieme:
average 60-120 minute dropper

quicksand:
average 20 minute drop at the loxley bow Nm area is easy and quick

cauldron key:
easiest are wespes
average 10-20 minute drop

grotto:
best droppers are eyes
average 30 minute drop

anyone else find this to be absolutely ridiculous? Id LOVE to see some sort of proof on this lol

[Woozie]

I've done every coffer many many times (with and without), and I can assure you that none of them average 5-10 minutes. I've gotten plenty of first kill keys and second kill keys, etc, but it's most definitely not normal.

[Aireiya]

Slightly off-topic but on the same thread, what do you guys think about the following:

An extremely comprehensive (thousands and thousands of trials) study was done about TH, from TH1 through TH4, by the JP community about a year ago. Mobs with well-known drop tables were killed thousands of times to establish the percentage chance of each drop.

TH1 shifted the cutoff percentages of all items down by 1%. The loot tables are done by basically /random'ing and looking up in a table of loot, so for instance if a mob had this as it's table:

Random Value:
0-500 = Crappy Item #1
500-750 = Somewhat Crappy Item #2
750-900 = Mediocre Item #3
900-975 = Decent Item #4
975-999 = Good Item #5

Treasure hunter served to push the cutoffs for all of those down by almost exactly 1%, so:
0-490 = Crappy Item #1
490-740 = Somewhat Crappy Item #2
...etc, etc...
965-999 = Good Item #5

Each progressive TH was another 1% downwards.

If I remember right, the study took nearly 7 weeks and 60,000+ trials against the same mob. The results were accurate to within +/- .01% All other claims about how TH works are essentially just placebo and wishful thinking.

When I first read this, I dismissed it because of the lack of sources and how it didn't explain how TH made such a dramatic difference in # of items dropped from monsters like rams. However, reading OP made me go back and find/reread this. Any opinions?

[BRP]

This is like a D-Ring Drop Rate increase thread, but with less potential importance.

[Rocl]

Slightly off-topic but on the same thread, what do you guys think about the following:

An extremely comprehensive (thousands and thousands of trials) study was done about TH, from TH1 through TH4, by the JP community about a year ago. Mobs with well-known drop tables were killed thousands of times to establish the percentage chance of each drop.

TH1 shifted the cutoff percentages of all items down by 1%. The loot tables are done by basically /random'ing and looking up in a table of loot, so for instance if a mob had this as it's table:

Random Value:
0-500 = Crappy Item #1
500-750 = Somewhat Crappy Item #2
750-900 = Mediocre Item #3
900-975 = Decent Item #4
975-999 = Good Item #5

Treasure hunter served to push the cutoffs for all of those down by almost exactly 1%, so:
0-490 = Crappy Item #1
490-740 = Somewhat Crappy Item #2
...etc, etc...
965-999 = Good Item #5

Each progressive TH was another 1% downwards.

If I remember right, the study took nearly 7 weeks and 60,000+ trials against the same mob. The results were accurate to within +/- .01% All other claims about how TH works are essentially just placebo and wishful thinking.

When I first read this, I dismissed it because of the lack of sources and how it didn't explain how TH made such a dramatic difference in # of items dropped from monsters like rams. However, reading OP made me go back and find/reread this. Any opinions?

If someone can actually find those tests, then we'd have something to work with

However, I do recall someone doing tests on tonberry coats? or something like that which also proved +1% >_> but I don't remember who/when just that it was on the forums, now lost in the annals of time

[Eaglestrike]

Fluke.

TH items are +1%, I also don't have a link to the tests but I remember them being done and reading about it.

The other day in GCitadel my party was clearing out all the bats and beetles and had no mobs to pull. So I moved us across the room to where the weapons are. First weapon dropped a coffer key. No THF or /THF, it's just LUCK.

[Turtlesoup]

Slightly off-topic but on the same thread, what do you guys think about the following:

An extremely comprehensive (thousands and thousands of trials) study was done about TH, from TH1 through TH4, by the JP community about a year ago.

If someone can actually find those tests, then we'd have something to work with

However, I do recall someone doing tests on tonberry coats? or something like that which also proved +1% >_> but I don't remember who/when just that it was on the forums, now lost in the annals of time

duh, it has to be true. GAWD.

[Saraphym]

At least JP went to tests their theories rather than just base it off an one time experience. Seriously, this is no better than those people who swear ridill drop rate has been changed after an update because their server saw TWO drop in a ROW(ZOMG).

But yea, in most cases I'm more inclined to believe in testing over personal experience, though with things like TH, I really doubt there can be something such as "too much".

[Secksi]

Shit happened to me many times >_> I'll go hours without the drop I'm looking for and then take off AA and knife to get drop in the next 3-5 kills.

I have really horrible LUCK though, so yeah.

For the record you'll only notice this when it happens, not when you take them off and farm hours without them and still get no drop(DIORITE WHERE?).

[Plow]

If you have all the tests they won't drop... although I highly highly doubt that has any effect on coffer keys.

[Skeetaru]

Would anyone with TH4 like to repeat my experiment? :D

Done it a lot and swapped in and out A Armlets or T knife.
Equipped +th raises your chances extremely.
You only had bad luck. Which i had to suffer too at times. ( up to 3 hours of farming )

I have done coffer key farming at certain areas for up to 3 months each area.
And old school Th4 was a curse , had to help many friends for coffer farming.


Castle O.:

only coffer key drop area before the Genkai 3 pit , monks and bard type yagudos drop bad.
Nin and blm drop better.
average 30-180 minute droppers.

Garbage shitadel :
best droppers for coffer key =weapon type mobs they are across serket area.
average 5-10 minute droppers.

Badeaux:
4 door room
average 30-180 minute drop

Davoi:
after monastic caverns exit and stay right cross the bridge kill all mobs before monastic caverns entrance to the Genkai area dragoons drop well.
average 5-10 minute drop

Castle zvahl:
best droppers in the middle section 24hr NM area.
average 30-180 minute drop

Den of Rancor:
drop best drop of eyes and tonberries
average 30 minute

Uggalepih temple:
best drop of Rogberry area and further downstairs
average 30 minute

Nest:
best dropped of scorpions at the coffer spawn section
average 5-10 minute

eldieme:
average 60-120 minute dropper

quicksand:
average 20 minute drop at the loxley bow Nm area is easy and quick

cauldron key:
easiest are wespes
average 10-20 minute drop

grotto:
best droppers are eyes
average 30 minute drop

Just read this again, and yep its still just as ridiculous and baseless... it kills even more that this person has a Ridill before me .

But if someone can dig up the link to those JP tests i would definitely be intrigued.

[NynJa]

Fluke.

TH items are +1%, I also don't have a link to the tests but I remember them being done and reading about it.

The other day in GCitadel my party was clearing out all the bats and beetles and had no mobs to pull. So I moved us across the room to where the weapons are. First weapon dropped a coffer key. No THF or /THF, it's just LUCK.

HIAR LEVAL MAWBZ HAEV TEH BETTAR DORP RATEZ

[Turtlesoup]

There have been countless threads about Treasure Hunter in the KI THF forums, you may want to check there because there have been just as extensive tests done by non JP players.

[Sepuku]

...it kills even more that this person has a Ridill before me .

....

I smell envy . bwahahaha

throw some ridills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntIsEkV-UEk

[Woozie]

I still laugh every time I listen to that.