Kyudogi vs Kirin's Osode for Ranger L75

[Soldier]

Hello everyone

Tonight another big discussion on the ls about these 2 items, the majority seem to agree on the fact that Osode is about 3 mil less than Kyudogi making it better. I was only one of 4 total ls members who believes Kyudogi is actually worth the price tag (6 mil) and it's better than Osode out of 33 in the ls ; ; Please help me clear out this issue once and for all, I'm sure many have wondered the same question.

Thank You
Soldier

[Sonomaa]

there is never a time, not ever, will kyudogi will be better than osode, maybe, just maybe, in looks, but never any practical utility. in BG osode is ranger first, everybody else second

[Rocl]

there is never a time, not ever, will kyudogi will be better than osode, maybe, just maybe, in looks, but never any practical utility. in BG osode is ranger first, everybody else second

no u

[Zilong]

I'm just waiting for SE to 2h-ized ranged weapons into 1 STR = 1 RATK and 1 AGI = 1 RACC so I can fucking shove it to all Kyudogi supporter.

In any case, NQ Kyudogi is an absolute piece of crap barring looks, and even the HQ is probably still not better than Osode.

[Delekii]

The only time when Kyudogi would be better would be if you are shooting a regular shot and your fstr is somehow capped

[Churchill]

Skadi Curie, Denali Jacket, etc.

[ryskar]

there is never a time, not ever, will kyudogi will be better than osode, maybe, just maybe, in looks, but never any practical utility. in BG osode is ranger first, everybody else second

This is pretty much how I always thought it should be. My SAM friend swears by osode

[VZX]

There's no job that can get benefit from Osode as much as RNG. RNG can use it virtually full time.

ranged attack use fSTR2, the amount of STR bonus from Osode is doubled during TP and WS
10 AGI, also... only 5 racc less than Hunter's Jerkin; but it'll be compensated with STR and additional base damage from AGI on WS
10 MND is very good if you're using holy bolt setup

[SamanosukeShiva]

what about barrage? kyudogi or osode better?

[Saraphym]

There's no job that can get benefit from Osode as much as RNG. RNG can use it virtually full time.

ranged attack use fSTR2, the amount of STR bonus from Osode is doubled during TP and WS
10 AGI, also... only 5 racc less than Hunter's Jerkin; but it'll be compensated with STR and additional base damage from AGI on WS
10 MND is very good if you're using holy bolt setup

since the 2h update osode is very good for SAM and gaxe WAR as well, although they have better/more options then RNG.

[layoneil]

This is pretty much how I always thought it should be. My SAM friend swears by osode

only if he never got a Haubergeon for the last 15 levels.

[Vedder]

This is pretty much how I always thought it should be. My SAM friend swears by osode

only if he never got a Haubergeon for the last 15 levels.

Even for Ranged?

Osode on SAM for TP or WS is fail, but in the context of Kyudogi vs. Osode for ranged attack, Osode still comes out on top for SAM.

[Saraphym]

Osode on SAM for TP or WS is fail

yea uh, i partially disagree with this statement. maybe pre 2h patch, but now osode is on par if not better vs hauby for ws.

osode [+10str/dex +10atk/acc] vs hauby [+5str/dex +15atk/acc]

so [5str/dex] vs [5atk/acc]

because Y/G/K are 1-hit ws, 5 acc is irrelevant, on top of that as SAM you should be eating meat all the time and subbing war so 5atk is also very meh with serk/food. So whats going to help ws more? 5str or 5atk? I think 5 STR.


..but yea hauby still better to tp in.

edit: I was talking strictly for Y/G/K, but for pentathrust hauby would be better for obvious reasons. also sorry for hauby vs osode derail in advance. Also, technically Byrnie+1 pwns both for raw STR/Attk

[ryskar]

This is pretty much how I always thought it should be. My SAM friend swears by osode

only if he never got a Haubergeon for the last 15 levels.

I told him to get haub back, he's not exactly hard pressed for gil... But yeah, it fell on deaf ears.

[Swatt]

Osode on SAM for TP or WS is fail

yea uh, i partially disagree with this statement. maybe pre 2h patch, but now osode is on par if not better vs hauby for ws.

osode [+10str/dex +10atk/acc] vs hauby [+5str/dex +15atk/acc]

so [5str/dex] vs [5atk/acc]

because Y/G/K are 1-hit ws, 5 acc is irrelevant, on top of that as SAM you should be eating meat all the time and subbing war so 5atk is also very meh with serk/food. So whats going to help ws more? 5str or 5atk? I think 5 STR.


..but yea hauby still better to tp in.

edit: I was talking strictly for Y/G/K, but for pentathrust hauby would be better for obvious reasons. also sorry for hauby vs osode derail in advance. Also, technically Byrnie+1 pwns both for raw STR/Attk

no u

[Saraphym]

Osode on SAM for TP or WS is fail

yea uh, i partially disagree with this statement. maybe pre 2h patch, but now osode is on par if not better vs hauby for ws.

osode [+10str/dex +10atk/acc] vs hauby [+5str/dex +15atk/acc]

so [5str/dex] vs [5atk/acc]

because Y/G/K are 1-hit ws, 5 acc is irrelevant, on top of that as SAM you should be eating meat all the time and subbing war so 5atk is also very meh with serk/food. So whats going to help ws more? 5str or 5atk? I think 5 STR.


..but yea hauby still better to tp in.

edit: I was talking strictly for Y/G/K, but for pentathrust hauby would be better for obvious reasons. also sorry for hauby vs osode derail in advance. Also, technically Byrnie+1 pwns both for raw STR/Attk

no u

gtfo singapore

[levish]

Should be comparing Osode to Haub +1 since they are closer to each other in price (at least on my server).

So +4str (osode) vs +8acc +8att(haub+1), personally I'd go for haub+1 if I was in the Sam's shoes since even /thief you can miss if the mob decides to spin around a bit /war definately haub+1

Ranger/Bard piece imo

[Saraphym]

Should be comparing Osode to Haub +1 since they are closer to each other in price (at least on my server).

So +4str (osode) vs +8acc +8att(haub+1), personally I'd go for haub+1 if I was in the Sam's shoes since even /thief you can miss if the mob decides to spin around a bit /war definately haub+1

Ranger/Bard piece imo

Where did 4dex go for osode? (not that it matters, but since you're including acc anyways). So in reference to 2hers, its 4 STR/DEX vs 8ATK/ACC.

Keep in mind I'm talking strictly about Osode for WS. Missing ws on SAM is rarely, if ever, a problem. Does it happen? Yes, but more likely than not its a fluke. I have around +56 acc in my ws macro, counting gear/GKT merits/+DEX. If i had any real ACC issues(rarely), I'd prob eat sushi instead and either way 8acc isn't going to bridge the gap. A Decent SAM shouldnt have any real problems hitting ws on any mob in the game reliably, even less with /thf. So for hauby(hq) vs osode, the real debate is whether 4STR or 8ATK is better for ws. STR still wins imo.

Consider, if ATK>STR for ws, why wouldn't more SAMs swap in o.kote instead of alky for ws, thats 11STR vs 20ATK. As I mentioned before, 8ATK isn't noticeable at all when you're eating meat, have serk (assuming /war), and even less with cor/brd atk buffs, after finishing up STR merits though, my consistent ws DMG output has jumped up noticeably. Also remember Y/G/K have 75% STR modifier, STR makes a huge difference in ws dmg for SAM, maxing STR in your ws macro is ideal, which is why I still think Osode places above hauby and hauby HQ post 2h patch.

[VZX]

Y/G/K have pDIF bonus anyway. I don't see any BIG difference on WS while WSing on too weak and low IT

While my normal hit is about 40-55% of my max damage, my WS still can do 80-90% of max damage. So yeah... Base damage for WS

[LinktheDeme]

the only way kyudogi should get a use EVER is if your using it pre-osode levels. Also they should lower its level req to 50 so it will be more useful right now its just garbage and a waste of money for 5 levels.