FFXI Plot-holes and unclear issues

[Damane]

How were GEO/RUN relic quests? Was it just bring me X? Or was there storyline behind the origin of the equipment? Were there cutscenes or just generic fetch materials? I don't have either leveled so I'm curious.

bring blabla items to blabla NPC for exchange on blabla. Artifact had some cutscenes and fights involved tough. Relic not so much.

However the Ergon locus weapons had 4 cutscenes and told a bit about the legendary wielders of those weapons. More then their mythic counterparts.

[Yuella]

Tarutaru and Mithra seem to get screwed out of the major storyline. Let's look at the main characters in each story/expansion

Original: Lion, Zeid, Raogrimm
Zilart: Aldo, Lion and Zeid
Promathia: Prishe and Ulmia
Aht Uhrgan: Nashmeira, Rashfad and Luzaf
Goddess: Ragelise, Portia and Lilisette
Adoulin: Arciela

Even Galka got the shaft after Zilart. They love using Hume and Elvaan as their main characters.

[Damane]

Tarutaru and Mithra seem to get screwed out of the major storyline. Let's look at the main characters in each story/expansion

Original: Lion, Zeid, Raogrimm
Zilart: Aldo, Lion and Zeid
Promathia: Prishe and Ulmia
Aht Uhrgan: Nashmeira, Rashfad and Luzaf
Goddess: Ragelise, Portia and Lilisette
Adoulin: Arciela

Even Galka got the shaft after Zilart. They love using Hume and Elvaan as their main characters.

um... shantotto and various other famous tarus get some limelight in sidequest throughout most of the expansions. not to mention shantotto had her own addon?

[Priran]

Tarutaru and Mithra seem to get screwed out of the major storyline. Let's look at the main characters in each story/expansion

Original: Lion, Zeid, Raogrimm
Zilart: Aldo, Lion and Zeid
Promathia: Prishe and Ulmia
Aht Uhrgan: Nashmeira, Rashfad and Luzaf
Goddess: Ragelise, Portia and Lilisette
Adoulin: Arciela

Even Galka got the shaft after Zilart. They love using Hume and Elvaan as their main characters.

I dunno how you could not include Naja on that list, and Windurst's WotG missions were the only one I enjoyed and had tons of taru and mithra. Plus Shantotto is SE's de facto FFXI representative in things like Dissidia and Theatrhythm.

[Yuella]

I see Naja as a more supporting role like Tenzen and fake Louverance

[Priran]

I see Naja as a more supporting role like Tenzen and fake Louverance

Nearly every ToAU mission starts at her, features her, and/or ends at her. Plus she's a supporting NPC in the penultimate battle.

[Ophannus]

I always felt that Envy/Apathy was accidentally switched for Hume/Mithra. I would think Mithra are apathetic since they're freeswords/mercenaries and seem to not really care much about anything. I feel like Humes are envious since they would envy Taru's Intelligence, Galkan durability, Elvaan Strength and Mithran speed/agility/cunning. Trying to see how Mithras are envious or how humes are apathetic. Humes got involved in everything during their various skirmishes with San dOria, but Mithras are like bystanders in all of the Middle Land conflicts and they don't even have a country to call their own except for that Chieftainate to the far South.

[Spira]

different kiind of envy..

yuella it might be cos youre restricting main characters to a really narrow definition. that said all the expansion heroines are either hume or elvaan or mix. CoP had an ensemble cast. Shikaree Z was mithra, Jabbos galka, Louverance/Prishe/Ulmia Elvaan, the Chebukkis are tarus, Tenzen is Hume. and Esha'ntarl Zilart, Nag'molada Kuluu.. its all varied and all represented.

toau.. well the near east is populated mostly by Humes i think. but in any case Ghatsad had a pretty big role and hes galka. and like mentioned above.. Naja

considering the complexity of the story and how Naja made certain things turn out the way she did, i'd say she was a main character even if it was in a 'supporting role'. Levil in SoA on the other hand.. is purely supporting.

i'd think Mithra actually get sidelined the most. like.. there wasn't even a Mithra spitewarden.

[Priran]

I always felt that Envy/Apathy was accidentally switched for Hume/Mithra. I would think Mithra are apathetic since they're freeswords/mercenaries and seem to not really care much about anything. I feel like Humes are envious since they would envy Taru's Intelligence, Galkan durability, Elvaan Strength and Mithran speed/agility/cunning. Trying to see how Mithras are envious or how humes are apathetic. Humes got involved in everything during their various skirmishes with San dOria, but Mithras are like bystanders in all of the Middle Land conflicts and they don't even have a country to call their own except for that Chieftainate to the far South.

iirc the Bow of Light was a bad thing because all the mithra were so envious of its power that it resulted in total war over its possession (read: the Emptiness in the magicite brought out their Envy).

[Seha]

hey don't even have a country to call their own except for that Chieftainate to the far South

My god how can your posts be wrong 100% of time? Mithra do have a matriarchate ruled by a queen to the far south...Elshimo isn't the far south, Olzhyria is.

[Priran]

the mithra are implied to have more than one country actually, yeah? gha naboh and zhwa are different countries

[Seha]

It is never made clear wheather it's just an important place still part of Gha Naboh(we know it's not the capital though), or an independent country. There's also Tsahya in that continent which is subject to Aht Urhgan rule, so there are some interesting ties between the two empires.

[Ophannus]

The problem is every expansion sorta assumes the player has never done any other expansion in an effort to avoid spoilers. Like CoP mentions the Archduke is busy so they never show him. To have a far east expansion and mention aht urghan heavily, would be problematic for SE. Also, there's a lot of loose ends with SoA, like they never mentioned any of the NPC's from WoTg that were of Adoulinian origin like Achetelle. I'm presuming be use she's a DRG, she's from the house of Hennetial. Also, she claims that Ulbuka has dragons/wyverns, yet we've only seen one. I was kinda hoping that Mount Khamir would be a last zone and would have a host of Wyrms/Dragons/Puks/Wyverns, and kind of be the antithesis of Ra'Kaznar(dragons vs demons). That way every major enemy type would have its own zone(Ra'kaznar is kinda undead/demon, Cirdas is likely the Amorph domain, with that giant leech thing probably being the naaku for darkness/amorphs. Saj is probably the "light/dragon" naakual, even though he isn't a naakual per se, he is of the same "stature", being an elementally aligned creature of great power in SoA. Either there is a zone with plentiful dragons to be released somewhere or they somehow all suddenly went extinct in the last 20 years. Curious plothole though.

[Priran]

It is never made clear wheather it's just an important place still part of Gha Naboh(we know it's not the capital though), or an independent country. There's also Tsahya in that continent which is subject to Aht Urhgan rule, so there are some interesting ties between the two empires.

You're mixing up Tsahya and Zhwa. Zhwa is the one under imperial rule. Naja's real last name is Zhwan, she's part of the royal family.

[Seha]

No Tsayha is definetely under AU; it's where Mihli and the Assault girl whose name I can't remember come from to assassin people for revenge.

[Priran]

No Tsayha is definetely under AU; it's where Mihli and the Assault girl whose name I can't remember come from to assassin people for revenge.

Ah. Well then I guess they're both under imperial rule. The whole reason Naja starts the Sentinels is to prove her nation's worth to the Empress.

[Hitou]

Ah. Well then I guess they're both under imperial rule. The whole reason Naja starts the Sentinels is to buy back her nation from the Empress.

ftfy. This is why she doesn't pay us what we earn. Haja Zhwan (presumably Naja's Mom) probably became a mithran mercenary during the crystal war for the same reason.

And yeah Tsahya is also under Aht Urgan control.

[Spira]

I'm thinking that when Achtelle said what she did, she meant it in the sense that the dragoon profession was still alive in Ulbuka.. cos otherwise youre right, there are none.. and Saj'akka doesnt count afaict, since he was hiding anyway..

Perhaps they're dwelling in the lower parts of the zones that will be unlocked in a few days lol..

as for the mithra, their origins are much more complicated than other races.

Mithra hail from the continent of Olzhirya, which i presume includes Zhwa and Tsahya. At least in present day, theres more than 1 nation on it, as Zhwa has a monarchy and was subjugated by Aht Urhgan. I don't remember much of any reference made to Tsahya.. and the Gha Naboh Matriarchate was only mentioned first in WotG. It seems to be the main ruling nation where Mithra come from. Lehko comes from there, and i believe most of the Mithran mercenaries during the war did too.

lol thinking back to the stories, it seems like most mithra are related.

Yow Rabhtah is probably Lehko's mom. Lehko and Romaa have a kid.. Nanaa Mihgo
all the mother and daughter pairs.. Nhev and Syuu, Perih Vashai and Semih Lahfina, Shikaree G and XYZ.
then theres Haja, Koja and Naja...

ridiculously rich character lines to say the least lol

[Seha]

We should totally go south. *makes a petition thread like everyone does on official forums*

[Hitou]

I like that to this day people refer to Koja as a person and not just Naja in sunglasses.