Okay, your claims are getting difficult to follow. You say "HE FUCKING KILLS THEM ALL" but at no point say who "HE" is. I've had to resort to discussing with a DRG friend of mine to get some idea of who it is you're referring to (and he is severely tempted to come out of lurkerdom just to respond to you.) Would it kill you to be a little more specific?
That said: if you're referring to the ghost of the last dragoon, yes, he was testing each wyvern and killing the evil ones. Yes, the wyverns that participated in the Crystal War may have turned evil. So... how does that mean that every wyvern everywhere was killed? You have the wyverns of the dragoons of Adoulin Isle, most of whom did NOT cross overseas (Achtelle is a special case, not the norm.) The wyverns of the Mamool Ja? Tell me, which Crystal War battles did they participate in? You're making some pretty radical claims there. Unless you can show me proof that EVERY WYVERN, WORLDWIDE participated in the Crystal War, I refute your claim.
I'm confused as to how this means anything either way. At any rate, Vrtra is considered a Wyrm, not a Wyvern, and so far as I can tell there is a difference between the two. But even if Vrtra were a wyvern... so what? What does this have to do with the existence of Dragoons?now doesn't Achtelle come to the Kings tomb because of her grand respect for a King who could make a Wyvn such as Vrtra Guard his forever resting place?
There is indeed a quest detailing the story of Areuhat. Even before that quest came out, there were plenty of clues (the name Areuhat, and the name of the wyrm she turns into, have real-world origins. SE has a tendency to follow the conventions of real-world myths when they choose to adopt the names of characters in them.)(The "blonde chick" is Areuhat I presume. She's not a dragoon, she's a full-on wyrm who takes human form. I don't see any inconsistency there)
i'd like to see her story if it hasn't already been done? (WoTG pisses me off to much to bother with City quests ~.~)
... the fuck? What does having BLU NPCs have to do with whether they call an NPC a DRG or not? Either way, why would they have to have made up an entirely new job for Achtelle and Shikaree Z? If you pull anything more out of your ass, you'll be grabbing your lunch from your mouth, man. >.> I'm not seeing anything resembling a cogent argument in your post.i think SE just said "Dragoon" for Achtelle and the Sin hunter because they really didn't want to make a new job up since at the time they already had 2 blu npc's for the Nash and Homam's CS's so just calling the Sin hunter a DRG was just simpler
(That said: if you're referring to the ghost of the last dragoon, yes, he was testing each wyvern and killing the evil ones. Yes, the wyverns that participated in the Crystal War may have turned evil. So... how does that mean that every wyvern everywhere was killed? You have the wyverns of the dragoons of Adoulin Isle, most of whom did NOT cross overseas (Achtelle is a special case, not the norm.) The wyverns of the Mamool Ja? Tell me, which Crystal War battles did they participate in? You're making some pretty radical claims there. Unless you can show me proof that EVERY WYVERN, WORLDWIDE participated in the Crystal War, I refute your claim.)
did i technically par-take in the crystal war? no so your basic point is getting shot full of hole's
Mamool ja wyverns are EVIL so we kill them for the grand Legendary drg
also your forgetting how old the quest is for the drg af, so dom dom dom, there was no other drg's at the time untill Expantions later there was
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What does your partaking in the Crystal War or not have to do with ANYTHING? My point was that the wyverns that were executed were ones that had participated in the Crystal War, and that there were many wyverns throughout the world that did not participate in the Crystal War. Your response has nothing to do with that.
So, tell me why Mamool Ja wyverns are evil? Yes, the Mamool Ja are against the Empire of Aht Urhgan, but they have damn good reason to be. It's explained pretty clearly if you pay attention to the story scenes. Do you really think "anyone who is against me must be evil"? That kind of moral over-simplification is just sad.Mamool ja wyverns are EVIL so we kill them for the grand Legendary drg
... not even worth responding to.also your forgetting how old the quest is for the drg af, so dom dom dom, there was no other drg's at the time untill Expantions later there was
Here, I'll make it simple for you. This is my claim:
The art of the Dragoon was lost in the Middle Lands due to the extermination of corrupted Wyverns. However, this destruction was confined to the Middle Lands; wyverns and non-corrupted dragoons continued to exist in other areas both before and after the extermination, and were imported back to the Middle Lands over time.
My claim is supported by evidence in the game. If you can directly refute that statement, you may have a case. Otherwise, don't bother.
EDIT: Lurker DRG friend also notes: "Erpalacion is not some vengeful spirit out to kill evil dragons/wyverns. He's just a guy who found that what he did in the Elvaan civil war tainted him such that he could no longer be a dragoon. The only reason his ghost appears is because some former Royal Knight lieutenant summoned him to exact vengeance upon San d'Oria. But it turns out he wasn't really angry at anything, and he was happy to see the player's wyvern raised well."
That's a far cry from your claim that "Erpalacion went around and killed EVERY WYVERN IN THE WORLD".
I'm a big fan of Norg and I'm finally doing my SAM AF stuff. There's a set of lines that confuses me, though:
Jaucribaix: Norg has many ties with the lost nation of Tavnazia, and many people here still think of it as their homeland. The battle fought 20 years ago took the lives of many of our brothers, but the sacrifices that they have made have not been in vain. That day something in Gilgamesh changed, he transformed from a simple soldier to a great leader who would bring us together and create the Norg of today.
But:
Kamui, the old guy in Gilgamesh's room says:
"We made Norg our headquarters about thirty years ago. The Crystal War and the unification of countries. . all this was unthinkable back then."
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but my impression was that Gilgamesh founded Norg after the destruction of Tavnazia or something. He mentions it earlier in the AF2 storyline, how they escaped the destruction, landed on Valkurm, etc.
So was Norg founded 30 years ago, then Gilgamesh strolled in and revamped it? Is Kamui senile, or what?
Well, there's a long tradition of Mithran pirates in Elshimo (see the Elshimo Campaign, where the Bastokan Navy fought against the Mithran pirates.) One plausible construction:
Over 30 years ago - Mithran pirates discover the location, a cave with excellent sea access, well-hidden and easily defended. They set up a base there.
30 years ago - For some reason or another, the cave is made the pirate headquarters. This may have happened immediately after it was discovered; we don't know enough about the pirates' situation at the time to comment.
20 years ago - Crystal War. Destruction of Tavnazia. Gilgamesh ends up at Elshimo along with other Tavnazian survivors and is taken in by the Mithran pirates (possibly on friendly terms, possibly as slaves/servants?)
Over time - Gilgamesh rises through the pirate ranks to become their leader, and in the process transforms Norg into the type of community it is today. Probably mostly in terms of giving them a purpose and a direction - they're not just people who rob ships and get drunk, they're working to rebuild Tavnazia and heal the lingering wounds of the Crystal War (such as the ceremonies that you perform in your AF quest to quiet the spirits for the dead.)
Just to clarify:
Dragoon: A fighter that forms a spiritual bond to a wyvern and fights along side with it.
Dragon Knights: An elite order of San'dOrian Knights comprised of mainly Dragoons.
Immortal:Blue Mage
Seagull Phratie:Corsair
Dragon Knight: Dragoon
You dig?
There's that NPC by the MH in Northern Sandy that says something like: "The Royal Knight and the Temple Knight are the Sword and Shield of our nation respectively, but it used to be that among all was the Dragon Knight, but what ever became of him?"
Side Note: Cyranuse's goal was to merge with a Dragon making him super powerful. He did so but it was an incomplete merge and he became consumed by the Wyvern's power. A properly trained Dragoon can temporarily attain this state(Spirit Surge) but it's more controlled. It's similar to DBZ in that a Super Saiyjin is the same thing as the giant monkey form except the Super Saiyjin can control the energy. Each level of SSJ bring the user closer and closer to the monkey form(look at SSJ4, furry and grows the tail back). So one could use the analogy that Spirit Surge= SSJ but Cyranuse failed and just became a giant Wyvern
He should have waited for his 2hr to recharge instead of forcing it.
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Bigger Issue: If Ladybugs and Gnoles are extinct- whats the deal with MMM? I find them all the time in Ghoyu's Reverie.
That sounds more like Dragon Knight was a specific Knight's title rather then it being a class of knights themselves. The San D'orian Army only had two main branches, Royal and Temple knights, each branch serving a different purpose and being further divided amongst themselves.
Off topic reply is off topic:Side Note: Cyranuse's goal was to merge with a Dragon making him super powerful. He did so but it was an incomplete merge and he became consumed by the Wyvern's power. A properly trained Dragoon can temporarily attain this state(Spirit Surge) but it's more controlled. It's similar to DBZ in that a Super Saiyjin is the same thing as the giant monkey form except the Super Saiyjin can control the energy. Each level of SSJ bring the user closer and closer to the monkey form(look at SSJ4, furry and grows the tail back). So one could use the analogy that Spirit Surge= SSJ but Cyranuse failed and just became a giant Wyvern
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Seeing as Ghoyu's Reverie isn't accessible to players any other way then through the Moblins, the whole "they went underground!" bit is actually feasible. The War devastated the natural wildlife of the middlelands of the time, but races thought to be extinct could have easily moved to safer lands. Though the Gnoles are most likely just hiding to hide.
That makes even less sense than dinosaurs ):
Ladybugs draw their power from the sun! They are Birdman! How can they live underground
weren't the Gnoles brought here by the Shadow Lord for the war?
If they were smart enough to speak our language they were probably smart enough to leave back to wherever they originated from after the Shadow Lord was no longer in power.It was the Shadow Lord himself that first unleashed these fearsome wolfmen upon the continent of Quon. Though gnoles are able to speak the common tongue, albeit in broken form, they have no unique customs or culture of their own
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All good points, but there's an underlying assumption that I'm not sure has ever actually been justified:
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