Dancer discussion

[Farys]

The only time i've done the 1st fight it was with 3 japanese players.
We went BLU BLU PLD WHM.
As WHM I was told to buff, erase and cure, sometimes wake up.

Everyone goes to the upper deck. PLD pulls mobs, BLUs rape mobs. Rinse and repeat.

[Talint]

They're silly, but if you really do need the accuracy:

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...d_Trousers.PNG

The -2DEX winds up negating one of the +5 accuracy... what kind of design silliness is that anyway?

[Maxxthepenguin]

They're silly, but if you really do need the accuracy:

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...d_Trousers.PNG

The -2DEX winds up negating one of the +5 accuracy... what kind of design silliness is that anyway?

the same kind of design silliness that made up Kurrea

[Max™]

Can Dnc wear those?

[Talint]

Can Dnc wear those?

Yep. The image hasn't been updated on that other wiki.

the same kind of design silliness that made up Kurrea

Indeed. I haven't done a Kurrea fight in a long time (since pre-2H patch), but I imagine he's only easier to zerg now with the changes.

[Jedimasta]

They're silly, but if you really do need the accuracy:

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...d_Trousers.PNG

The -2DEX winds up negating one of the +5 accuracy... what kind of design silliness is that anyway?

I'm gonna have to say that Pahluwan are better and aren't that hard to get if you aren't a Salvage spammer.

[Talint]

I'm gonna have to say that Pahluwan are better and aren't that hard to get if you aren't a Salvage spammer.

Denali and Pahluwan Legs suffer from the same problem: They're tied to assault tags. I run my LS Salvage static so I don't have the tags really to spend to get Denali or Pahluwan unless I leach them or cut back on Salvage (something I don't wish to do).
...
So is there another alternative to all of this? Or does anyone have any suggestions? Did I miss something? I really am trying to stick with something that gives ACC or Haste.

Just trying to help address the problem.

[6souls]

Cobra Subligar
DEF:26 Accuracy+5 "Store TP"+3 Enmity-4 Set: Enhances "Counter" effect
Lv. 68 MNK/THF/RNG/BLU/COR/PUP/DNC

New DNC acc leg armor and all you need to do is rank up and have enough points. if you haven't gotten your dream piece yet, this should do.

[tufrabza]

while the cobra subligar are decent, i am more partial to these... go go znm (solved your ap/tag issue too)

Enkidu's Subligar R/E
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 40 STR +4 DEX +4
"Store TP" +5
"Subtle Blow" +5
Lv. 72 MNK / THF / RNG / SAM / NIN / BLU /
COR / PUP / DNC

[ono]

while the cobra subligar are decent, i am more partial to these... go go znm (solved your ap/tag issue too)

Enkidu's Subligar R/E
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 40 STR +4 DEX +4
"Store TP" +5
"Subtle Blow" +5
Lv. 72 MNK / THF / RNG / SAM / NIN / BLU /
COR / PUP / DNC

Got these the first week ZNMs came out, and just got Denali Kecks last night. So I'm trying to figure out which to use for TP/haste build. Enkidu's for WS though, and Denali for solo/evasion build. Would like the Barbarossa legs for haste someday.

[Toth]

Our poor dancers

Will they ever find a place in the endgame world....

[Falisa]

I forgot DNC existed! I haven't used mine for anything in 2 months or more now.

[Max™]

Our poor dancers

Will they ever find a place in the endgame world....

Of course not, then I'd have a job I was willing to level, which can be a dedicated healer, and would be useful endgame.

[Vajra]

IMO Dnc needs a dance called "Totentaz (sp)" Dance of the Dead, and make it.... and it'd be like atleast Raise II (or III maybe) and Instant cast (since dances are job abilities) w/ a lenghty recast (3-5 mins). There's something I've been wanting to say, not sure if anyone else thought of it, maybe it'll become a group 2 merrit ability for DNC.

[Max™]

Reraise Dance that is subbable and I'll suck off the developer who puts it in.

Raise 1 costing 150 TP and subbable and I'll be pretty happy.

I really wish Dnc had a dispel, or if I could trade Desperate Flourish for Violent Flourish I'd be happy, grav is nice in an "oh shit, gotta take this mob elsewhere" situation, Stun is nice all the time and could keep me from having to take it elsewhere + hold more hate.

Maybe they'll give it meritable Regain, caps of 10 per merit, walking around with 50 TP constantly would make Dnc a lot more useful.

[Toth]

I would like an ability that aids in Step. I was thinking of a job ability that would let you either:

a) use steps immediately w/o any recast time for a period of 1 min but one FM gained each time
b) Use steps without any TP and recast timer for a period of 1 min but no FMs gained
c) Improve the power of steps for 1 min.

[Max™]

The second one would be awesome if it was "Stance that reduces melee attack speed, but allows the use of steps without TP, and gain normal or double FM's".

Make a change "Steps can be used without being engaged", or just drop steps with your back to the mob.

Ta da, I just fixed Dnc and made it actually useful in a lot of scenarios where you don't want to feed TP to things.

TPless step (think up some name for the ability, make it a stance... Improvisation!) > FM to 5 > Reverse Flourish > TP step to 5 > Reverse Flourish > Curebomb without feeding TP > Winnar!

[Toth]

I find it odd how the game and lore suggest different types of dancing yet there is no such ability currently for dancers. I would like to see DNC being a premier debuffer ala RDM (and maybe a better stun/gravity user if those flourishes were improved) on big NMs in the future. Steps just aren't powerful enough, even for zergs.

[Ksandra]

Dancer making me sad. ;; it's 73 now and I enjoy it a lot, but I know once I hit 75 I'll barely get to use it outside merits/random shit XD

I agree though if the steps were a lot more powerful, it might help dnc become more useful.

[Kabbalah]

You know what I want to see out of DNC to make them more useful in endgame? I'd like it if their sambas worked for everyone attacking a monster affected by the daze, not just the people in-party. IIRC, one DNC was supposed to be able to support entire armies, not just parties of six. Yes, this would be crazy on Campaign or Besieged, but invaluable for Limbus, Dynamis, Salvage, and Einherjar.