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  1. #561
    Shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yam shimmy ya
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    Wow is the only word to describe this.

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    Unless there is some trick to PW not discovered yet, then the ZNM system can just go to hell now.

  3. #563
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Wow is the only word to describe this.

    i think bull shit would be better... no reason for a fight to take 18hrs even if its meant to be hard think of other ways then to make it so long. a good look at a mob is vrtra. that is a hard as hell monster.. that can wipe you at any point when it rages. i mean why make people do 18hrs of work only to make the last form something so strong. they added PW just so we would shut up about AV.

    calling it: how long did it take your dev team to kill PW

    "well if you are lucky you can do it in 20hrs, the norm time seems to be around 35hrs tho"

    again bull shit.
    someone start a class action lawsuit.
    "do not forget your friends, family school or work" my ass. you make a mob that takes almost a full day to kill and they still bother to put that on every time you log on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    For fuck sake, this is not even remotely similar to AV. Why turn this into an AV thread.
    This have a whole new meaning now.

  5. #565

    wow, I fucking love SE..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridell View Post
    This have a whole new meaning now.
    its just as bad as AV now... if not worse. it makes you think you are making progress before blowing up in your face.

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    The best part is that in 6 months' time when they give another interview with their production heads they'll get asked "Hey SE you made another unkillable mob that requires a godawful series of NM grinds that do not 100% of the time drop their pop items. How about some helpful clues in how to kill it or at least check into whether or not it's a bug that it's this damn hard to defeat?"

    To which their reply will be along the lines of "We don't want to spoil the excitement of solving the riddle of Pandemonium."

  8. #568
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    Quote Originally Posted by Correction View Post
    The best part is that in 6 months' time when they give another interview with their production heads they'll get asked "Hey SE you made another unkillable mob that requires a godawful series of NM grinds that do not 100% of the time drop their pop items. How about some helpful clues in how to kill it or at least check into whether or not it's a bug that it's this damn hard to defeat?"

    To which their reply will be along the lines of "We don't want to spoil the excitement of solving the riddle of Pandemonium."
    Followed by a "hints" video of "zoom in chat log" right?

  9. #569
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    Ok Aside from all the hateposts - and yes we know this NM can go to hell - it still is beatable.


    the smartest thing I can think of is a strong NA and a strong JP shell teaming up. One LS starts the grind alone. Then after 8 hours or so the second LS takes over while the first ones get some gooood fucking sleep. The final step then they both kill. I bet there is a timing that would make a use out of the timezones so the starting shell could get some well placed sleep.

    For the Astral flow thing - one LS would have to stand aside and take over as the first one dies.


    This way you look at maybe a 10 hour fight which is still ridiculus but a possibility.

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    Lyra, are you trying to imply that the purpose of these long fights is to make us work together?
    Preposterous!

  11. #571
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    Oh, just 10 hours? Duh, np then!

    If SE seriously, seriously designed this mob to be beaten in a minimum of 10 hours, with up towards 18+ hours or more being a possibility, they completely fail. It's a completely ridiculous concept that they would expect anyone at all to play for that long a stretch. Do people do this? Yes. But it should not be expected in order to beat this. Expecting their player base to sacrifice that much time on one fight will only alienate people instead. As many fucked up decisions they've made in the past, I refuse to believe they could be this retarded.

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    WHY SO SERIOUS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reapz View Post
    WHY SO SERIOUS

  14. #574
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyramion View Post
    Ok Aside from all the hateposts - and yes we know this NM can go to hell - it still is beatable.

    This way you look at maybe a 10 hour fight which is still ridiculus but a possibility.
    I don't think there's a whole lot of intersection between 'beatable' and 'ridiculous.' Even Kirin received a nerf because back then SE understood this principle. No longer, it seems.

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    I guess the title thing is disproven, then?

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    ::deadgame::

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    SE's trying to kill us. They can't understand why we're still playing this game so now they've devised a way to systematically kill us off. gg

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    .................................................. .................................................. ..........

    Three Questions:

    1. Did you use titles to 'skip forms' of PW or did everyone just go 'as-is'?
    2. Were the titles used if any, effective in doing anything to the forms present?
    3. Does Pandemonium Warden 'say' anything when you spawned him, kinda like AV?

    Seriously.... another FUCKING Absolute Virtue..... as if one wasnt fucking stupid enough seems rediculous....

    Edit: Rereading Rukes post and Slyphs, there are 19 forms including the final Pandemonium form.... 18 forms beforehand...... -very- suspicious.

    Following the pattern of monsters with titles, the last 3 forms were pretty much expected so the question really goes back to either titles or some form of skipping these forms. Pandemonium himself seems hard enough to drop an alliance so all the fluff beforehand seems very much so suspicious.

    Anyway, this is all assuming this monster wasnt meant to be another AV which is impossible by all normal means.

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    Some of those monsters miss titles though, what would cover the Vamp, or the hume BLM general.

  20. #580
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    18 forms, 18 non WotG jobs, 18 party slots

    have everyone come as a different job and 2 hour at the exact same time.
    if this doesn't work, i think each form has a different element. Perhaps using the 2hour element opposite the form will lock it and prevent it from using another form.

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