Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Tyrath]

What they should do is update the HNM's to be the same strength as the PW forms; they're too weak!

I'd actually love to see a Khimaira and Cerb whose unstunned ws moves could wipe out the tank. Would be nice to get rid of gimp shells who cant stun >_>

[Fiye]

Some people seem to have forgotten about what the DAT miners found out.

2 PWs
30 Lamps

I want you to think about that for a second.

From what BtL managed to dig up during their exhausting 18 hour run, PW does more than spawn 8 lamps. He also spawns avatars. Many avatars.

I'd guess that 7 spawn, however, if anyone from that run has a possible picture with all 7 of them in it, that'd be hot.

But lets think.

1 PW.

8 Lamps.

7 Avatars (With the name Pandemonium Lamp)

1 = 1

8 + 7 = 15

Thats half of what the .dat miners found.

Now, in most NMs, when they get closer to death, they tend to do nastier things at 50% and 25%.

I'd imagine PW would spawn a clone.

You'd be stuck with 2 PWs that one shot the crap out of people, 16 lamps following the PW and helping mass murder everything, and 14 avatars that'll come out and nuke the area.

[Jaceot]

The picture on rukenshin's live journal has all but ramuh and carbuncle, cant imagine why ramuh wouldnt be hiding in there somewhere, and mobs dont usually call carbuncle so you may be onto something.

[Toksyuryel]

The picture on rukenshin's live journal has all but ramuh and carbuncle, cant imagine why ramuh wouldnt be hiding in there somewhere, and mobs dont usually call carbuncle so you may be onto something.

Dynamis smns call carbuncle.

[Fiye]

So wait... there's 9 summons... all but Ramuh and Carbuncle... that's 7.

You know... if I'm right about this, Squeenix is more fucked than I would have ever imagined.

[ronin sparthos]

Dynamis smns call carbuncle.

Fucking Searing Light always seems to do the most damage -.-

[Sagacious Sundi]

From earlier in the thread: (Using that thing where you check what popped since last maint., I presume.)

Both instances of PW popped, 8 of 30 lamps popped. Now go get some PW pops and find some new worthwhile info! Speculating on a forum won't get us anywhere at this point.

So I'm not so sure about the whole Panda Warden clone.

[Sedres]

but on his vampyre form it will come up blank!

Genius post right there! :D

With all the media blitzing I'd imagine each PW form would drop a pop for the next form, but considering the number of pops, that would take a ~long time~.

And if SE does bow to the media frenzy, what'll happen to the 18 hour fight for AV? oO

[Suiram]

From earlier in the thread: (Using that thing where you check what popped since last maint., I presume.)



So I'm not so sure about the whole Panda Warden clone.

Possibly PW1 is the Dvergr form that spawns between every other form, Hellsnaps, and leaves, and PW2 consists of all the other forms. Then when you get to final form you are fighting PW1 (I'm assuming it doesn't hellsnap and then "change" to the exact same form at that stage), meaning that PW2 could still come in at some point later and join in the fun.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Yeah, it's technically possible, but I'm trying to stay optimistic. >_>

Also, based on Ruke's LJ report, I'm guessing the jobs for the beastking lamps are:

Mamool: NIN x2, WHM x2, BLM x2, THF x2
Troll: RNG x2, WAR x2, PLD x2, DRK x2
Lamia: BLM x2, RNG x2, COR x2, RDM x2

[Jaceot]

So wait... there's 9 summons... all but Ramuh and Carbuncle... that's 7.

You know... if I'm right about this, Squeenix is more fucked than I would have ever imagined.

Sorry my bad, diablos is not in the picture. Theres only 6 that I can see.

[meson]

30 lamps in the dats right?
lamp1 for pw1
lamp2 for pw2
lamps3-6 for 4 chariots
lamps7-9 for besieged mobs
lamps10-14 for generals
lamps15-18 for Troll king, 4 jobs
lamps19-22 for Medusa, 4 jobs
lamps23-26 for Mamool King, 4 jobs
lamp27 imps
lamp28 red dragons
lamp29 puks
lamp30 bombs

Is this just coincidence?

[Sagacious Sundi]

30 lamps in the dats right?
lamp1 for pw1
lamp2 for pw2
lamps3-6 for 4 chariots
lamps7-9 for besieged mobs
lamps10-14 for generals
lamps15-18 for Troll king, 4 jobs
lamps19-22 for Medusa, 4 jobs
lamps23-26 for Mamool King, 4 jobs
lamp27 imps
lamp28 red dragons
lamp29 puks
lamp30 bombs

Is this just coincidence?

Been discussed in this thread already.
All lamps use the same 8 .dats. It's impossible to have more than 1 mob up at the same time use the same .dat.
Plus, there's 2 warden .dats for a total of 32 Pandemonium monsters.

Unless you're implying something else.

[meson]

Been discussed in this thread already.
All lamps use the same 8 .dats. It's impossible to have more than 1 mob up at the same time use the same .dat.
Plus, there's 2 warden .dats for a total of 32 Pandemonium monsters.

Unless you're implying something else.

So in all fights so far, lamp dats 9-30 have not been used?
I was not really implying anything, just pointing out there seems to be 30 forms of lamps and we know there are 30 lamp dats. I don't recall anyone pointing this out explicitly. I'm sorry if it has been already.
I'm not sure why you point out that there are 32 dats when I count those in my post.
lamp1 for pw1
lamp2 for pw2

[Rockstaru]

As I understand it, at 75% on the final form, PW resummoned both lamps 1-8 (mini-Dvergr lamps) along with 9-15 (Avatar clusterfuck.) I could be mistaken though.

[Suiram]

Someone on Seraph with the know-how could go check it out, as well. My prediction would be that PW1 will be spawned and 100%, PW2 will be spawned and 0% (or reverse the order but one 100% the other 0%), then 15 lamps spawned, with 7 of the first 8 being 100% and one of them 0%, and the next 7 either all 100% or all 0%.

[Kaslo]

Someone on Seraph with the know-how could go check it out, as well. My prediction would be that PW1 will be spawned and 100%, PW2 will be spawned and 0% (or reverse the order but one 100% the other 0%), then 15 lamps spawned, with 7 of the first 8 being 100% and one of them 0%, and the next 7 either all 100% or all 0%.

wut?

[FailureMidgard]

Don't forget that it's probably going to Astral Flow Scorched Earth at 75%, 50%, and 25%, unless he just arbitrarily does it at 75%, or randomly at some % HP.

How many mobs actually have an exact % that they use a player 2hr at? Seems to me they are -usually- around 50%, but every one I can think of can go off earlier or later. I would say it is definitely possible that it only uses astral flow once, and BtL happened to get it early.

[Suiram]

wut?

Talking about what we talked about after Jackyl's LS fought it, where you can do the Almighty Apkallu thing to read whether a particular instance of a mob has spawned or not and what its last HP% was.

[Chupunpupun]

How many mobs actually have an exact % that they use a player 2hr at? Seems to me they are -usually- around 50%, but every one I can think of can go off earlier or later. I would say it is definitely possible that it only uses astral flow once, and BtL happened to get it early.

Ruke's LJ said that they tried to take the lamps down again after the astral flows, hoping it was a one time thing but then found out that the resummoned lamps were much much harder than the initial lamps, that's where they gave up.