Best SAM gear set up

[Wakabo]

I know there is the PLD one that was created not too long ago, but I am currently working on my SAM which is at 45. I try to buy the best gear or get the best right away. At 75 I am a bit stuck since all the guides that I have looked up are mostly level capped event gear or not updated.

What would be the best set up for...

TP
WS
Haste/ACC
and what other one there could be :3

Thank you~

[The_OG_Nelta]

Buying?

Lets see..

Amano/Hagun
Pole Grip
White/Black Tath -- Smart Grenade -- Tiphia Sting
Usukane Head/Wal Turban/ Ace's helm/ Askar Helm
Peacock Charm/ Chiv. Chain / Justice Torque / Ancient Torque?
Brutal Earring / Triumph Earring / Fowling / Merman
Usukane Body / Haub+1 / Osode / Askar ~
O-kotes / Hachiman Kote+1 / Dusk +1 / B-kotes / Alkys / Usukane Hands
Rajas / Snipers +1 / Tore. Rings / Flame rings~
Cerberus +1 ?
Speed Belt / Swift Belt~
Byakko's haidate / Usukane Legs / Shura Haidate +1 / Hachi. Haidate.
Usukane Feet / Hachiman feet+1 / Fumas / etc.

I'm most likely missing stuff.

[Cream Soda]

TP:
Amano(Realistically)Hagun/Pole Strap/Empty/Black Tathlum
Ace's Helm/Justice Torque/Brutal/Bushi
Hachiryu Haramaki (Realistically haub+1)/Dusk Gloves+1/Rajas Ring/Mars's Ring (Realistically Toreador's)
Cerb+1/Nsash(Realistically Vbelt)/Byakko's Haidate/Usukane Sune-Ate

Alternatives to that set:
Head Askar, Askar hands (I prefer these to nq dusk), nq sniper/woodsman rings, Forager's back

And a full alternative set entirely would be same invisible slots, head usukane, body usukane, hands usukane, legs usukane, feet usukane

Dont feel like doing the (realistically) thing again so i'll just mention other gear in alternatives

Hagun/Pole Strap/empty/RSE (if elvaan), Ifrit's bow otherwise
Maat's cap/WS gorget/Brutal/Bushi
Osode/Alky/Rajas/Flame
Cerb+1/Warwolf/Hachiryu Haidate/Rutter Sabatons

Alternatives
Head: STR+6 head from BC in the past (idkthe name) Shura+1, Wyvern helm+1, ect ect
Earring: Triump (cause not all have bushi)
Back: again, forager's
Legs: Usukane Hizayoroi, Shura+1, Shura
Feet: If you can't get an airtank and kill this NM with a friend or 2 at lv 75, quit ffxi

[Wakabo]

Don't have time at the moment to read it, but thank you for those who posted ^^

[Hakamaru]

At a camp like mamools, I think you'll get more mileage out of a PCC than a JTorque. Vampire Earring at night over a Bushi in the WS build. Wyvern Earring could also appear in there for subbing DRG, which really is a beastly DD sub for GKT SAM. We could open up the Polearm can of worms, but that really is a specialized circumstance.

That's all I can really add to Cream Soda's post though.

[Wakabo]

I plan on getting best gear for SAM when I can, so would I be looking at a lot of inventory space being taken up for different gear sets?

[fishstix]

depends if you want to be average or go all out

[Wolfknight]

At a camp like mamools, I think you'll get more mileage out of a PCC than a JTorque. Vampire Earring at night over a Bushi in the WS build. Wyvern Earring could also appear in there for subbing DRG, which really is a beastly DD sub for GKT SAM. We could open up the Polearm can of worms, but that really is a specialized circumstance.

That's all I can really add to Cream Soda's post though.

I am gonna call bullshit on PCC over Jtorque if 10~11 attack is worse than 3.7 acc, why the hell isn't cuch. manlte better, since I think by your reasoning 8 acc should be better than 16~17 att from amemet/foragers.

[Thorny]

No comment on justice torque, but peacock is very frequently better than faith torque(depending on #/merits since faith can bump up your base damage) and almost always better than hope torque(for nin, not rng).

[Cream Soda]

Not sure about you, but I'd take 7 attack over a venrer ring anyday on mnk.

[Thorny]

6.3 attack / 3.7 acc = 1.702 attack loss/acc gain
22 attack / 10 acc = 2.2 attack loss/acc gain

The way I handle Usu hands and Bkote is Usu hands when focus down Bkote when focus up (but if its smalltime mobs thats acc is capped, i just fulltime the bkote).

You accept the latter scenario if you can gain that much accuracy without going over cap, why not the former?

[Kurt Cobain]

cuz people like to sell their pcharm

[Thorny]

That doesn't really make it smart, pretty sure he owns a peacock for his SAM anyway :/ People just like to think their torques are a big deal when half of them are just shiny garbage.

[Kurt Cobain]

the latter part of what you said is what i was getting at, i have all sea torques and aside from MNK for base damage increase situationally (4 merits) I find myself using peacock amulet more often

[Amastacia]

I'm surprised at the lack of people interested in full Usukane for TP gear.

Very small offensive tradeoff for very large defensive gains. Depending on the situation, I'd use it over a more "pure" DD build (e.g. DD strength mismatch so I have hate constantly).

There's plenty of situations when an all-out offensive build is great, and there are plenty where an almost-as-good offensive build that is much stronger defensively is just as good if not better.

Best is such a situational thing in this game that it's a real shame there's a 70 item inventory limit, because you'd be better off carrying more than that to properly cover "best" if you care that much.

Also, I know Cerb +1 is better because of the extra 1 STR, but I don't think I'd want to TP in it on SAM having Usu feet and Enmity merits already. More hate is not something I need or particularly want most of the time.

[Ruiner]

Normal TP -
Main: Amanomurakumo
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Ace's Helm
Neck: Justice Torque
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Usukane Haramaki
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

Aftermath TP -
Main: Amanomurakumo
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Ace's Helm
Neck: Justice Torque
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon +1
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

/DRG TP -
Main: Amanomurakumo
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Ace's Helm
Neck: Justice Torque
Ear1: Wyvern Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Askar Korazin
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

Polearm TP -
Main: Leviathan's Couse
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Ace's Helm
Neck: Love Torque
Ear1: Hollow Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon +1
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Ring1: Sniper's Ring +1
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cuchulain's Mantle
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

Yoichinoyumi TP -
Main: Soboro Sukehiro
Sub: Sword Strap
Ranged: Yoichinoyumi
Ammo: Kabura Arrow
Head: Ace's Helm
Neck: Ancient Torque
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Usukane Haramaki
Hands: Dusk Gloves +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cuchulain's Mantle
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

Tachi: Kaiten -
Main: Amanomurakumo
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: Ifrit's Bow
Ammo: None
Head: Gnadbhod's Helm
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Byrnie +1
Hands: Alkyoneus's Bracelets
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Triumph Ring +1
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Hachiryu Haidate
Feet: Rutter Sabatons

Penta Thrust -
Main: Leviathan's Couse
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Gnadbhod's Helm
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Ear1: Hollow Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Haubergeon +1
Hands: Myochin Kote +1
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Mars's Ring
Back: Cuchulain's Mantle
Waist: Saotome Koshi-ate
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

Namas Arrow -
Main: Soboro Sukehiro
Sub: Axe Grip
Ranged: Yoichinoyumi
Ammo: Kabura Arrow
Head: Maat's Cap
Neck: Snow Gorget
Ear1: Triumph Earring +1
Ear2: Triumph Earring +1
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hands: Seiryu's Kote
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Triumph Ring +1
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Hachiryu Haidate
Feet: Hachiryu Sune-Ate

Defense -
Main: Amanomurakumo
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: None
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Arhat's Jinpachi +1
Neck: Justice Torque
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Arhat's Gi +1
Hands: Seiryu's Kote
Ring1: Jelly Ring
Ring2: Defending Ring
Back: Shadow Mantle
Waist: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune-Ate

[Cream Soda]

6.3 attack / 3.7 acc = 1.702 attack loss/acc gain
22 attack / 10 acc = 2.2 attack loss/acc gain


You accept the latter scenario if you can gain that much accuracy without going over cap, why not the former?

if i'm going to make the investment for 3 accuracy, I'll throw on a diabolos or minuet (provided I have minuet song on) and trade 6 attack for 3 acc rather than 7. I still like to keep a good amount of attack in my build.
You have your ratios wrong btw. Faith torque gives 7 attack first off.
Second of all
292 vs 299 h2h
200 + (92 x .9) = 282.8 which rounds down to 282 acc
200 + (99 x .9) = 289.1 which rounds down to 289
289-282 = 7

With 8 h2h merits, you get 7 acc, not 6.3 from Faith Torque, which is why I referred to PCC as Venrer ring vs 7 attack

7 attack/3 acc = 2.333333 attack loss/acc gain

cuz people like to sell their pcharm

I have peacock amulet

[Thorny]

The point stands, you're trying to make peacock over faith torque look terrible when realistically it's more or less the same tradeoff as your usukane hands vs bkote. Faith, Temperance, and Hope(NIN) torques just plain aren't that special.

[Cream Soda]

When did I say its terrible? I just said I prefer 7 attack to a venrer ring. If that was your point, it not only doesn't, but you don't' have one at all. I never said PCC was garbage, I was just disagreeing with this
"but peacock is very frequently better than faith torque"

[Thorny]

on a 330 def mob(greater colibri, about the squishiest target where gear choices will matter), 7 attack is going to be roughly 2% dmg per hit, while 3 acc will be 1.5% hitrate and 1.5% more WS. For the attack to be superior, you'd need to be tripling your WS damage during TP phase.