What's Better?

[[Vax]]

Really, I'm the only one who laughed that the charts above said Cum%?

:/

But yeah, there will always be a mathematical winner when comparing gear for a certain situation... Your opinion, no matter how much you want it to be right, will not change if a piece of gear is less effective than another.

If it's your preference to continue using a less effective pieces... then that is your choice to be sub-par.

(Referring to slow% gear)

[homerun]

On the subject of attack for WS, i was wondering what's the worth of attack vs str for drakesbane. For instance (ignoring acc) askar dirs vs aurum cuisses, merman's earring vs triumph, heca body vs askar ect.

I know this varies greatly depending on the mob, but is there a sure way to compare attack vs str in general?

[Starr]

Askar are better than Aurum and Triumph is better than Merman's but Pixie or Hollow are both most likely better than Triumph. Heca Body Vs Askar I would think is more a question of the STR+7 against the 2% Double Attack, I think askar wins but again Aurum Cuirass or Zahak's Mail is better than both.

[mdkuser]

Do you use Crab Sushi on them? I believe it was shown to be unbeatable on KI>THF

What gear? I played with FFXIGEAR when it was up and couldn't get anything decent like that but I think I might have been looking at 400 ignoring dagger merits but you are including them cus you have them?

idk about crab sushis. I get 92% acc at birds with a mirke, counting ambush and feint. its in theory 88% acc, but if sushi wins then it makes mirke even more situational.


My max accuracy gear include blau dolch, fire bombelet, 2 torreador, homam hands feet, skadi or homam legs, cuchu mantle. head with turban and body with rapparee. mithra race and ninja sub, max dagger merits, it gives me apprrox. 380acc. Pizza+1 adds about 40 acc.

[Cream Soda]

Starr, the sushi thing was for that particular poster's gear, as he didn't have high acc shit like cuch ect, wasn't mithra, ect. Before I did that math, I'm pretty sure his base hitrate was like 80

[Starr]

oh, I thought someone posted after you showing that Crab Sushi was ALWAYS better though

[TacoTaru]

So in light of getting a decent amount of money quickly I've decided to get my alt character set up so he can zerg on DRK. This is what I have to work with right now:

M.Kris | Jan Shield +1 | - | Fire Bomblet
Turban | Ritter Gorget | Fowling | Assault
Gloom | Dusk Gloves | Blitz | Bomb Queen
Gigant | Swift | Homam | Homam

Don't have /DRG finished on it yet but I know I need to swap Fowling with Wyvern Earring, but other than that is there any obvious changes I can make? I can swap Ritter with a PCC but I had thought Ritter was better. This is with 0 Dagger merits by the way.

Thanks in advance.

[Rasantath]

war/nin
dynamis, einherjar, merits, salvage, maybe sky gods, other crap
brave grip (crit) or axe grip (str)?
will be using rose strap when /sam for 6-hit.
(full crit and str merits if it matters ; hume)

[Raen Ryong]

So in light of getting a decent amount of money quickly I've decided to get my alt character set up so he can zerg on DRK. This is what I have to work with right now:

M.Kris | Jan Shield +1 | - | Fire Bomblet
Turban | Ritter Gorget | Fowling | Assault
Gloom | Dusk Gloves | Blitz | Bomb Queen
Gigant | Swift | Homam | Homam

Don't have /DRG finished on it yet but I know I need to swap Fowling with Wyvern Earring, but other than that is there any obvious changes I can make? I can swap Ritter with a PCC but I had thought Ritter was better. This is with 0 Dagger merits by the way.

Thanks in advance.

Happy Egg/Fenrir's Stone for ammo, Physical Earrings are very cheap +HP earrings.

[Starr]

You don't need Rose Strap for a 6-hit if you land 2+ hits on Raging Rush/KJ, Pole or Sword Strap are always the best but most common Pole, Brave Grip is trash, Axe grip bar RNG is trash.

[TacoTaru]

Happy Egg/Fenrir's Stone for ammo, Physical Earrings are very cheap +HP earrings.

I have Cassie on him now, but I figured I'd need ACC for Ear since I didn't have any dagger merits. Should I invest time in getting Intruder's for my other ear?

[Raen Ryong]

You should be fine with accuracy honestly, Feint and SV Madrigals being a pre-requisite to most zergs.

If you're really worried about accuracy, I'd just use sushi. And yeah, Intruder's Earring is nice for 1handed zerg if you're not /drg and the latent is up.

[[Vax]]

@Starr: I always assumed that having a true 6-hit build would be more beneficial if you are camping birds due to feather tickle. I know there are other camps, but the grips aren't the most troublesome things to acquire. I know it can be made up for by being hit once, but every once in a while you end up like 2% from 100% TP ><

I have Cassie on him now, but I figured I'd need ACC for Ear since I didn't have any dagger merits. Should I invest time in getting Intruder's for my other ear?

If you are in a Zerg situation with a Kris you should be getting Madrigals and the mob is probably being Feinted too. I don't think you need to worry about accuracy much. Not to mention souleater too. If you aren't getting buffs you could always use a lolsushi ><

And Cassie/Wyvern is a great combo. Intruder's isn't always active, but it's worth having. Not too hard of a NM to get. Have a 2nd HP+ earring like a Physical laying around anyways for when you aren't /drg and intruders won't proc.

Edit: Beaten about acc xD

[TacoTaru]

You should be fine with accuracy honestly, Feint and SV Madrigals being a pre-requisite to most zergs.

If you're really worried about accuracy, I'd just use sushi. And yeah, Intruder's Earring is nice for 1handed zerg if you're not /drg and the latent is up.

We run kinda low numbers in Dynamis so most CoP boss zergs we do we only have 1 BRD for, but feint is mandatory for any THF that's pulling the boss. Thanks a lot for the info. Last noob question: Dark Seal + Drain II or Absorb-ACC? Drain II I KNOW I need to use, but is Absorb-ACC used at all?

[[Vax]]

Deff. use sushi then if you aren't getting Madrigals. Double marches will pay off more with the Sushi than Madrigals with HP gear I think.

If you are using Sushi then abs-acc probably isn't necessary. If you don't need to engage and zerg asap then you could pop an abs-acc before the drain2 and all your ja's.

[Despain]

This is the "What's Better?" thread not the "Whats your preference?" thread.

One is going to be better than the other and I doubt it bothers anyone here whether it affects you sleeping patterns.

Like with anything that involves haste its going to have a different answer at different haste values, as you have more haste that 9% slow on heca cap will have a larger affect on your attack speed and would therefore require a larger damage boost to justify it. But then again if you are on thief your job isn't to do damage its to be blamed when something doesn't drop.

I never said it was better, I was just voicing my opinion at the question that was asked.

[Starr]

@Starr: I always assumed that having a true 6-hit build would be more beneficial if you are camping birds due to feather tickle. I know there are other camps, but the grips aren't the most troublesome things to acquire. I know it can be made up for by being hit once, but every once in a while you end up like 2% from 100% TP ><

With 3-4 equally good melee and GC choice of 3 TP attacks it isn't that frequent, I hate this arguement when people act like you get tickled every 10 seconds it is so ridiculous. My merit mobs often don't even get a TP move off.

[[Vax]]

@Starr: I didn't mean to say that you will be tickled that much, but over the course of a merit party you will be tickled quiet a few times. I just figured if you get tickled 6~ times you'll have made up an entire WS by keeping a true 6-hit build.

[arshesney]

Heca head or Voyager's salet (or something else) for unstacked Sneak Attack? I hear I want to stay away from the slow+ on unstacked SA.

AF2 Head? Same dex as heca cap, but no slow

[Raen Ryong]

We run kinda low numbers in Dynamis so most CoP boss zergs we do we only have 1 BRD for, but feint is mandatory for any THF that's pulling the boss. Thanks a lot for the info. Last noob question: Dark Seal + Drain II or Absorb-ACC? Drain II I KNOW I need to use, but is Absorb-ACC used at all?

I wouldn't bother with anything but Drain II and even that can be iffy sometimes. In a zerg, you want to get in there asap.