Windower v4 Development - Which plugins are *required*?

[Argettio]

Don't mean to be an ass or anything, but there's just no point in a different version of windower when macros for gear changes aren't going to be working at all.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly is windower 4 offering over 3.4? I mean like, you compared it to an OS upgrade, so there's gotta be features and what not, besides plugins, I'd imagine?

http://ringthree.blogspot.com/2009/0...snowflake.html

That's the best round up of the features they were talking about (although that's and old article)

[Kriz]

There is hardly any tickle love here!

Also, I had never heard of Yarnlog before, only link I found was http://forums.windower.net/topic/123...r-requesthelp/

Looks interesting, for sure.

[Khamsin]

What's the difference between Yarnball and StatusTimer, btw?

[Argettio]

What's the difference between Yarnball and StatusTimer, btw?

Yarnball is for other people, so on my RDM I get a read out on screen something like:

Tank1Name (haste): 2:31
Tank2Name (haste): 2:25
Tank1Name (Refresh): 1:45
Tank2Name (Refresh): 1:30
Healer1Name (Refresh): 1:15

Makes it easier to maintain haste/refresh cycles while doing other things. It works for more buffs you cast on other people.

Status timer just covers your own buffs.

[Xanthe]

Plugins I load on a regular basis:

load TParty
load Distance
load Recast
load LightLuggage
load TimeStamp
load DrawDistance
load SSOrganizer
load ConsoleBG
load Logger
load StatusTimer
load Silence
load ZoneTimer
load Expwatch
load Spellcast

The window_togglefullscreen feature is also a must for me. I play with a PC hooked up to a 1080p HDTV, but playing the game at 1920x1080 resolution makes the log text too small for viewing from my sofa. Setting the resolution to 1280x720 and using window_togglefullscreen has been the perfect combination short of being able to separate the chat/status information resolutions from the rest of the game display.

[Esvedium]

I won't be making a switch without Spellcast, to be honest.

In order for me:
1 Spellcast
2 Recast
3 Yarnball

Without those 3, I'd stay with 3.x

Things that are nice to have, that I'd play without:
1 Cancel
2 LightLuggage
3 TParty
4 Silence
5 ExpWatch
6 Logger
7 BlinkMeNot

Things that I load that I could live without:
1 TimeStamp
2 Distance
3 SSOrganizer
4 PlasticSurgeon
5 StatusTimer

[Xetzu]

TParty
Chatmon (complete with sound clips on being mentioned)
Spellcast
Cancel
Recast
Yarnball

Those would be the bare minimums for me personally. Though I'd really also like to see:

Expwatch
Drawdistance
CFHProtect
Lightluggage
Logger

This guy pretty much covered it http://bluegartr.com/forum/images/icons/mmithra.png

[Spira]

Distance
Recast
TParty
Tickle

my 4 faves. useful in that order, somewhat.. I don't really need TParty but I'm so used to it being there I don't normally ever look at the normal place where TP is supposed to be displayed anymore..

Also, I use IME input tool alot, but I don't think its actually a plug-in but another 3rd party tool, so idk

[Sho]

Most people said stuff needed but for me,

CREATE AN AUTOFIRE PLUGIN FOR RANGERS AND CORSAIRS, PLEASE. Plz and ty <3

[Izzy]

TParty
Yarnball
Recast
LightLuggage
Macro script function (not a plugin, but very important to me!)

AND CLOCK!!!!!

[Arkanna]

Must-haves:

Yarnball
Recast
TParty
No need to rewrite current Windower macros

Would-likes:

ExpWatch
LightLuggage
TimeStamp

Don't really care about Spellcast, it hovers a bit too close to the "play the game for you" line for me so I never got too into it.

[*Blaize*]

TParty
Recast
G15Binder
LL
Yarnball
Silence
Distance
and Clock ftw.

[ringthree]

I think a lot of people here are being lazy. Recast is nice, but if you're actually riding the timers on a spell/ability, you're not going to be looking at recast you're going to be spamming the macro/JA Window.

Same with silence/chatmon. Do a few lines in the chatlog bother you all that much?

If you really can't live without them then fair enough, but this is supposed to be an absolute minimum feature set. Putting down every plugin you ever use ever is not going to help the windower team.

Must Haves:
Spellcast, TParty, Timestamp, Cancel, StatusTimer, IME, ChatMon (triggers)

Like to Haves:
Blinkmenot, Yarnball, Recast, Light Luggage, Logger

Eventually Haves:
Infobar, Expwatch, Distance, Silence, CFHProtect, Chatmon (spam filtering)

I love that you criticize what people consider to be "must-haves" and then list StatusTimer, TimeStamp, ChatMon and Cancel. I would trade in all of these just to get Recast, let alone Yarnball.

[ringthree]

I have a few questions. Is Azaril off of V.4 now? Are you working from what Azaril has already started or are you starting new? Do we have a time line for V.4 release (I know this is a dangerous thing to ask, because even a general idea will be turned into an iron deadline by some)? What features do YOU (nitsuj) want to work on for V.4?

Most importantly, will you be providing all of the features that Azaril had promised?

[Eole]

Quite a simple question, and I know you guys love to share your opinions with others.

So tell me, in order for you to download Windower v4.0, uninstall 3.4x and use it for your daily day-to-day gameplay...

- What features does it HAVE to have (either ones that v3 has or doesn't have)
- What plugin functionality MUST it support (TParty, Recast etc)

I'm not asking for pipe dreams, or "ideal world" scenarios. I'd like to know what are the minimum requirements for v4 to replace v3.

Go!

(thanks)

Thank you for asking, here are the minimum requirements for me.

Windower v4 maps my keyboard as a "qwerty" one; my keboard is an "azerty" (I'm a French Player using an American Account).

I'm using SpellCast, Cancel, Distance and TParty.

[ringthree]

I won't be making a switch without Spellcast, to be honest.

In order for me:
1 Spellcast
2 Recast
3 Yarnball

Without those 3, I'd stay with 3.x

Things that are nice to have, that I'd play without:
1 Cancel
2 LightLuggage
3 TParty
4 Silence
5 ExpWatch
6 Logger
7 BlinkMeNot

Things that I load that I could live without:
1 TimeStamp
2 Distance
3 SSOrganizer
4 PlasticSurgeon
5 StatusTimer

While I understand the hesitancy to move without spellcast, if nitsuj can get v.4 to do half of what Azaril promised there will be a FREAKING STAMPEDE to v.4.

[Miraun]

Ohhh... not really a plugin, but to amend my earlier statements, I'd like fillmode 0 and fillmode 1 options!

Also, why would you use the G15 binder rather than just binding //ja "Jump" <t> to macro set 1, G1? Just so that you can bind Alt/Shift/Ctrl to the G keys?

[ringthree]

Most people said stuff needed but for me,

CREATE AN AUTOFIRE PLUGIN FOR RANGERS AND CORSAIRS, PLEASE. Plz and ty <3

As much as I want this myself, as I understand it, this just isn't possible. Well, isn't possible without being completely obvious that you are doing it to SE or making it so that you lose time because of the short internal cool down on all attempted JA's.

[SephYuyX]

A Yarnball that works with sleep :3

Or even better, let Yarnball be editable by user so you dont have to add every spell, and users could just add .yarnball Sleep II 90

[Tirrock]

I'm not seeing much love for G15 binder here.

Reading the features in ringthree's blog post, I'd probably switch if it had those features plus:
Recast
Yarnball
Distance
Chatmon
TParty
G15 Binder

Losing any of those plug-ins effects how I play any more. Or in the case of chatmon, sanity and convenience. I'd like to see fillmode and the ability to hide windower stuff on screenshots make a return too, if possible. Draw distance is not as important, but would be nice to have.

Edit:

Also, why would you use the G15 binder rather than just binding //ja "Jump" <t> to macro set 1, G1? Just so that you can bind Alt/Shift/Ctrl to the G keys?

Never tried it honestly, if it works at any time then I wouldn't have a use for the binder. As it is, the binder can execute macros while you have menus open or are in the middle of typing something.