What's Better?

[Bikpik]

For Cor WS's

Slug shot w/ Martial, or Deto with either Martial or +dmg magian?

[Crizto]

How does Ancient Torque stack up against Sea Torques? Namely, Faith (for PUP) and Fortitude (for WAR). Fortitude is used under WAR/SAM, and right now I'm using Faith on both PUP/DRG and PUP/NIN or PUP/WAR. Wondering which, if any, I should replace with Ancient.

For WAR: Ancient Torque w/o Aggressor, Fort. Torque w/ Aggressor. Throw in some situational mob shit and that rule varies, but that's typically a good way to do it.

[BroodIfrit]

For WAR: Ancient Torque w/o Aggressor, Fort. Torque w/ Aggressor. Throw in some situational mob shit and that rule varies, but that's typically a good way to do it.

So with that rule, I'd assume Ancient with PUP/WAR, Faith with PUP/DRG. Thanks!

[Dontkare]

For Cor WS's

Slug shot w/ Martial, or Deto with either Martial or +dmg magian?

Depends on what you are fighting probably. Against birds my friend was doing 2300-2500 dmg slugs with martial /war. He used to use detonator with Martial and only did like, 1500. Switched to using slug more when he got more Racc gear and hasn't gone back. Even still though, slug tends to miss more on COR even with Martial gun. I would say it's more of a personal preference. I know this is only anecdotal evidence but it might help.

tldr; friend pumps out higher damage with slugs, but misses more.

[Crizto]

So with that rule, I'd assume Ancient with PUP/WAR, Faith with PUP/DRG. Thanks!

Yeah that should work out fine

[noodles355]

I just finished my OAT Bradamante and I'm looking for some advice on Gear Sets.

I'm Mithra, 8/8 Polearm and this is what I'm currently using:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...rk/DRGSets.jpg

The grip is Sword Strap which changes Delay on Bradamante from 507, back down to 492.

I realize that I still need N.Legs or Ares Legs as well as N.Feet for Drakesbane.

My main questions are:
1. I've seen discussions on diminishing returns for stacking DA. So, is Brutal Earring DA a waste when I'm already @42%+ with OAT Bradamante and Askar Body? If yes, then Assault/Aesir?
2. I probably have too much Acc in both sets (413 for TP and 419 + Light Gorget for Drakesbane). If leaving Brutal Earring on, should I use Aesir Ear Pendant instead of Assault Earring for TP?
3. If removing Brutal Earring, Assault/Aesir or Aesir/Triumph for Drakesbane?
4. What about Cuchulain's Mantle vs. Forager's Mantle for both TP and Drakesbane?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Fuck sword strap for drg, it's like 0.01% better than pole grip.
If you use Pole in your setup you only need 19/22STP for gimp/true 6hit, meaning you dont need lolaskar body.

[Soho]

Fuck sword strap for drg, it's like 0.01% better than pole grip.
If you use Pole in your setup you only need 19/22STP for gimp/true 6hit, meaning you dont need lolaskar body.

Well, I only have 6 Store TP apart from Askar Body (Rajas/Brutal) when you'd need 7 Store TP (in addition to /SAM) for True 6 Hit. Any other slot I could throw Store TP into (Neck, Ring, Ammo) doesn't seem worth it for what I'd have to lose in that slot (Love Torque, Blitz Ring, Black Tathlum).

You guys keep saying lolAskar or whatever, but nobody has mentioned anything "better" apart from Aurum... And is that really better when I don't need Accuracy?! >.>

And yes, I've seen math that showed the Sword Strap being only marginally better than Pole Grip, but that wasn't done on a weapon that already had 40%+ DA built in. From what I understood, DA has diminishing returns when you stack it.

Could one of you math guys that did the work on this already please respond here? I'd <3 you long time.

[Chen]

to soho: (last page)

the 3% DA from brutal is calculated as

100runs, 142hits. addin brutal, it goes from 142->147 hits, which works out at 3.5% DA still

[Soho]

to soho: (last page)

the 3% DA from brutal is calculated as

100runs, 142hits. addin brutal, it goes from 142->147 hits, which works out at 3.5% DA still

Ohhhh... That makes sense. I understand now.

Thank you sir!

[Nightfyre]

to soho: (last page)

the 3% DA from brutal is calculated as

100runs, 142hits. addin brutal, it goes from 142->147 hits, which works out at 3.5% DA still

What? No.

Bradamante's proc rate is 40% and does not stack with Brutal Earring, so Brutal's effective proc rate is .05*(1-0.4)=0.03=3%. Actual DPS increase during TP phase is 143/140=2.14% increase with Sword Strap and Aurum Cuirass. Even with Askar and Pole you'd still want to use Brutal over Aesir.

Pole Grip's effect on DPS is also reduced by 40% during TP phase with Bradamente, so Pole v Sword is no longer a sidegrade. Sword Strap is better.

Askar v Aurum: if the accuracy is really and truly not a factor, it's 5 STR 12 attack 1.4% DA vs 8 STR 15 attack when using Bradamante, which becomes 1.4% DA vs 0.75 fSTR 5.25 attack. Mithra with STR merits have 72 STR, 10 from Hasso, and you're TPing in 14 (17) STR; your total attack with pizza is 454 (459). Even at high fSTR (worst case scenario for Aurum) you're looking at a ~2% increase to TP phase damage by using Aurum Cuirass. Askar's 1.4% DA is a 144.4/143=0.97% increase to total DPS before accounting for TP overflow; after a very rough compensation for overflow your TP phase damage would need to be ~40% of your total DPS for them to be equal; anything below that favors Askar and anything above favors Aurum. Again, this is completely ignoring Aurum's 6 accuracy, the fact that Aurum would be a bit better in situations where fSTR is not so high as I calculated, and the fact that you'd probably want Aurum anyway as it's a nice WS piece.

[Chen]

What? No.

Bradamante's proc rate is 40% and does not stack with Brutal Earring, so Brutal's effective proc rate is .05*(1-0.4)=0.03=3%. Actual DPS increase during TP phase is 143/140=2.14% increase with Sword Strap and Aurum Cuirass. Even with Askar and Pole you'd still want to use Brutal over Aesir.

cool, didn't realise they didn't stack.

[Limlight]

He can't! He needs Bushi for Kaiten!

abyssal for catastrophe actually, i really miss my suppa :/

[noodles355]

Well, I only have 6 Store TP apart from Askar Body (Rajas/Brutal) when you'd need 7 Store TP (in addition to /SAM) for True 6 Hit. Any other slot I could throw Store TP into (Neck, Ring, Ammo) doesn't seem worth it for what I'd have to lose in that slot (Love Torque, Blitz Ring, Black Tathlum).

You guys keep saying lolAskar or whatever, but nobody has mentioned anything "better" apart from Aurum... And is that really better when I don't need Accuracy?! >.>

And yes, I've seen math that showed the Sword Strap being only marginally better than Pole Grip, but that wasn't done on a weapon that already had 40%+ DA built in. From what I understood, DA has diminishing returns when you stack it.

Could one of you math guys that did the work on this already please respond here? I'd <3 you long time.

Bodies that are better than askar:
Ares
Homam
Aurum
Wyrm+1

Sword is 3.09% increase. At 40/60 TP/WS+Jump split, pole with the oat lance is about 2.11. So with OAT lance sword is just under 1% increase, not the 0.1% I quoted.

[Onorgul]

Bodies that are better than askar:
Ares
Homam
Aurum
Wyrm+1

Uh... why?

[Soho]

Askar v Aurum: if the accuracy is really and truly not a factor, it's 5 STR 12 attack 1.4% DA vs 8 STR 15 attack when using Bradamante, which becomes 1.4% DA vs 0.75 fSTR 5.25 attack. Mithra with STR merits have 72 STR, 10 from Hasso, and you're TPing in 14 (17) STR; your total attack with pizza is 454 (459). Even at high fSTR (worst case scenario for Aurum) you're looking at a ~2% increase to TP phase damage by using Aurum Cuirass. Askar's 1.4% DA is a 144.4/143=0.97% increase to total DPS before accounting for TP overflow; after a very rough compensation for overflow your TP phase damage would need to be ~40% of your total DPS for them to be equal; anything below that favors Askar and anything above favors Aurum. Again, this is completely ignoring Aurum's 6 accuracy, the fact that Aurum would be a bit better in situations where fSTR is not so high as I calculated, and the fact that you'd probably want Aurum anyway as it's a nice WS piece.

That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to break that down for me!

Bodies that are better than askar:
Ares
Homam
Aurum
Wyrm+1

That's an incorrect blanket statement. You'd have to give up your 6 Hit build or lose other valuable gear to wear either the Ares or Homam bodies /SAM. Wyrm +1 is probably the only body worth doing that for, and unfortunately, I don't have that piece yet.

Nightfyre explained above (with math) the situations when Aurum would be better than Askar.

Guess I need to run some parses to determine TP vs WS ratio.

[noodles355]

No, with 507 delay, you only need 19/22 for gimp/true 6hit. rajas+Brutal is enough, if you completely whiff your WS and dont land enough hits to have 6hit with that 21STP then you can swap in wtath.

Also, the upgrade from askar to one of the listed bodies (depending on the circumstances, obviously ares is only good if capped acc, homam if uncapped and wyrm+1 if you have good buffs and capped acc) is a bigger upgrade than btath over white tathlum. I know you love your Btath because it's nice and expensive, but it's a minor upgrade piece.

Homam is obviously superior if you're fighting something with uncapped acc. There will be times where you're close enough to acc cap that pizza+1 isn't worth it over a proper meat, likewise there are still mobs where you will be uncapped even with pizza (admittedly not many, but the Thf Formor King and byakko come to mind).

[Yugl]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11354

Even better!

[Milkster]

I'm pretty sure on this whole thing but I want to be 100% positive.

So I'm currently leveling PUP and I was wondering which is better for Endgame PUP: Shenlong or Mythic. I'm thinking they're both situational.

[Arximiro]

Claymore Grip vs. Pole Grip on Warrior when your main WS is RR.

[Soho]

@Nightfyre:
Along this same line of questions then, would you mind showing the math comparing these two TP setups below?

All the same gear as my original post (OAT Bradamante) with Sword Strap and Aurum Body vs. Pole Grip and Ares Body (assuming situations where I'd still have capped Acc and also be Ok dealing with the gimp 6 Hit build).

Thanks in advance for your time. I appreciate the input.