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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidnoftle View Post
    Is there any ice based atma besides beyond that I'm missing?
    Atma of the Undying Titlacauan MND+: Superior "Conserve MP"+: Minor Ice elemental attack +: Minor


    I'd probably do
    Beyond
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    Griffon's Claw ((2H weapon equipped) WS damage+: Major), since smiting blow wont do anything.

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    Any screenshots of Earth Crusher, Aeolian Edge, or any other WS damage on Apademak while brewed? I've only ever experienced resists on those weaponskills when it's against a mob that clearly has a resistance against a specific element (Aeolian Edge not working on Isgeband, for instance.)

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    Also, for ice based damage of any kind.

    Beyond
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    Hell's Guardian (or Baying Moon)

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    For those who are still debating what atmas to use for eleWS brewin, perhaps this should shed some insight:
    Aeolian on Dragua using Gales, Ultimate and

    Baying Moon
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    [19:34:02]Nynja uses a flask of primeval brew.


    [19:34:07]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:34:07]Dragua takes 17943 points of damage.

    [19:34:08]The Ergdrake takes 34812 points of damage.

    [19:34:14]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:34:14]Dragua takes 13113 points of damage.

    [19:34:15]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:34:15]Dragua takes 9204 points of damage.

    [19:34:20]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:34:20]Dragua takes 13441 points of damage.

    [19:34:23]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:34:23]Dragua takes 544 points of damage.

    [19:34:26]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:34:26]Dragua takes 13266 points of damage.

    [19:34:27]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:34:27]Dragua takes 13036 points of damage.

    [19:34:32]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:34:32]Dragua takes 13336 points of damage.

    [19:34:33]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [19:37:54]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:37:54]Dragua takes 17745 points of damage.

    [19:38:00]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:38:00]Dragua takes 13031 points of damage.

    [19:38:02]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:38:02]Dragua takes 9146 points of damage.

    [19:38:06]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:38:06]Dragua takes 13400 points of damage.

    [19:38:09]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:38:09]Dragua takes 596 points of damage.

    [19:38:13]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:38:13]Dragua takes 13289 points of damage.

    [19:38:14]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:38:14]Dragua takes 6529 points of damage.

    [19:38:19]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:38:19]Dragua takes 13183 points of damage.

    [19:38:22]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:38:22]Dragua takes 711 points of damage.

    [19:38:24]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:38:24]Dragua takes 13113 points of damage.

    [19:38:25]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [19:43:58]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:43:58]Dragua takes 17593 points of damage.

    [19:44:05]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:44:05]Dragua takes 12984 points of damage.

    [19:44:06]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:44:06]Dragua takes 9114 points of damage.

    [19:44:11]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:44:11]Dragua takes 13183 points of damage.

    [19:44:14]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:44:14]Dragua takes 586 points of damage.

    [19:44:17]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:44:17]Dragua takes 8669 points of damage.

    [19:44:19]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:44:19]Dragua takes 8518 points of damage.

    [19:44:23]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:44:23]Dragua takes 13095 points of damage.

    [19:44:26]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:44:26]Dragua takes 777 points of damage.

    [19:44:29]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:44:29]Dragua takes 13336 points of damage.

    [19:44:30]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [19:46:56]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:46:56]Dragua takes 16597 points of damage.

    [19:47:03]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:47:03]Dragua takes 6194 points of damage.

    [19:47:04]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:47:04]Dragua takes 4347 points of damage.

    [19:47:08]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:47:08]Dragua takes 13453 points of damage.

    [19:47:11]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:47:11]Dragua takes 544 points of damage.

    [19:47:15]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:47:15]Dragua takes 13289 points of damage.

    [19:47:16]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [19:47:16]Dragua takes 13059 points of damage.

    [19:47:21]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:47:21]Dragua takes 5473 points of damage.

    [19:47:23]Skillchain: Scission.

    [19:47:23]Dragua takes 324 points of damage.

    [19:47:27]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [19:47:27]Dragua takes 13319 points of damage.

    [19:47:28]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [19:51:07]Nynja's Transcendency effect wears off.


    Razed Ruins (DEX mod)
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    [23:24:49]Nynja uses a flask of primeval brew.

    [23:24:55]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:24:55]Dragua takes 17428 points of damage.

    [23:25:03]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:03]Dragua takes 6083 points of damage.

    [23:25:04]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:25:04]Dragua takes 4269 points of damage.

    [23:25:10]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:10]Dragua takes 10370 points of damage.

    [23:25:13]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:25:13]Dragua takes 419 points of damage.

    [23:25:16]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:16]Dragua takes 8846 points of damage.

    [23:25:18]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:25:18]Dragua takes 8693 points of damage.

    [23:25:24]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:24]Dragua takes 11532 points of damage.

    [23:25:30]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:30]Dragua takes 9821 points of damage.

    [23:25:31]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:25:31]Dragua takes 6202 points of damage.

    [23:25:35]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:25:35]Dragua takes 12691 points of damage.

    [23:25:36]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [23:28:41]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:28:41]Dragua takes 15527 points of damage.

    [23:28:47]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:28:47]Dragua takes 13033 points of damage.

    [23:28:48]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:28:48]Dragua takes 9148 points of damage.

    [23:28:53]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:28:53]Dragua takes 12612 points of damage.

    [23:28:56]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:28:56]Dragua takes 510 points of damage.

    [23:28:59]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:28:59]Dragua takes 8939 points of damage.

    [23:29:00]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:29:00]Dragua takes 8784 points of damage.

    [23:29:04]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:29:04]Dragua takes 7618 points of damage.

    [23:29:07]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:29:07]Dragua takes 369 points of damage.

    [23:29:11]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:29:11]Dragua takes 8775 points of damage.

    [23:29:17]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:29:17]Dragua takes 8629 points of damage.

    [23:29:18]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [23:31:31]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:31:31]Dragua takes 13554 points of damage.

    [23:31:40]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:31:40]Dragua takes 14918 points of damage.

    [23:31:41]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:31:41]Dragua takes 10471 points of damage.

    [23:31:47]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:31:47]Dragua takes 11201 points of damage.

    [23:31:49]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:31:49]Dragua takes 453 points of damage.

    [23:31:54]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:31:54]Dragua takes 10259 points of damage.

    [23:31:55]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:31:55]Dragua takes 10081 points of damage.

    [23:32:00]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:32:00]Dragua takes 12954 points of damage.

    [23:32:03]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:32:03]Dragua takes 699 points of damage.

    [23:32:05]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:32:05]Dragua takes 12623 points of damage.

    [23:32:06]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [23:35:20]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:20]Dragua takes 15294 points of damage.

    [23:35:25]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:25]Dragua takes 12386 points of damage.

    [23:35:27]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:35:27]Dragua takes 8694 points of damage.

    [23:35:32]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:32]Dragua takes 12885 points of damage.

    [23:35:34]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:35:34]Dragua takes 521 points of damage.

    [23:35:37]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:37]Dragua takes 12908 points of damage.

    [23:35:38]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [23:35:38]Dragua takes 12684 points of damage.

    [23:35:44]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:44]Dragua takes 8836 points of damage.

    [23:35:46]Skillchain: Scission.

    [23:35:46]Dragua takes 477 points of damage.

    [23:35:49]Nynja's Transcendency effect wears off.

    [23:35:49]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [23:35:49]Dragua takes 9282 points of damage.

    [23:35:50]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    Smiting Blow
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    [00:43:33]Nynja uses a flask of primeval brew.



    [00:43:44]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:43:44]Dragua takes 16017 points of damage.

    [00:43:44]The Ergdrake takes 31073 points of damage.

    [00:43:51]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:43:51]Dragua takes 15920 points of damage.

    [00:43:52]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:43:52]Dragua takes 11174 points of damage.

    [00:43:58]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:43:58]Dragua takes 15920 points of damage.

    [00:44:00]Skillchain: Scission.

    [00:44:00]Dragua takes 644 points of damage.

    [00:44:03]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:44:03]Dragua takes 15624 points of damage.

    [00:44:04]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:44:04]Dragua takes 15353 points of damage.

    [00:44:08]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:44:08]Dragua takes 15510 points of damage.

    [00:44:09]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [00:47:02]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:47:02]Dragua takes 16123 points of damage.

    [00:47:08]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:47:08]Dragua takes 16119 points of damage.

    [00:47:09]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:47:09]Dragua takes 11313 points of damage.

    [00:47:15]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:47:15]Dragua takes 15988 points of damage.

    [00:47:17]Skillchain: Scission.

    [00:47:17]Dragua takes 647 points of damage.

    [00:47:20]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:47:20]Dragua takes 7069 points of damage.

    [00:47:21]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:47:21]Dragua takes 6945 points of damage.

    [00:47:25]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:47:25]Dragua takes 15823 points of damage.

    [00:47:26]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [00:54:42]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:54:42]Dragua takes 16123 points of damage.

    [00:54:48]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:54:48]Dragua takes 15228 points of damage.

    [00:54:49]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:54:49]Dragua takes 10689 points of damage.

    [00:54:55]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:54:55]Dragua takes 11063 points of damage.

    [00:54:58]Skillchain: Scission.

    [00:54:58]Dragua takes 447 points of damage.

    [00:55:01]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:55:01]Dragua takes 10174 points of damage.

    [00:55:02]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:55:02]Dragua takes 9997 points of damage.

    [00:55:06]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:55:06]Dragua takes 15624 points of damage.

    [00:55:07]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [00:57:59]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:57:59]Dragua takes 16123 points of damage.

    [00:58:04]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:58:04]Dragua takes 15726 points of damage.

    [00:58:05]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:58:05]Dragua takes 11039 points of damage.

    [00:58:09]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:58:09]Dragua takes 10737 points of damage.

    [00:58:10]Dragua starts casting Stoneja.

    [00:58:12]Skillchain: Scission.

    [00:58:12]Dragua takes 434 points of damage.

    [00:58:16]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:58:16]Dragua takes 15869 points of damage.

    [00:58:17]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [00:58:17]Dragua takes 15594 points of damage.

    [00:58:22]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:58:22]Dragua takes 3934 points of damage. <--WTF

    [00:58:24]Skillchain: Scission.

    [00:58:24]Dragua takes 212 points of damage.

    [00:58:28]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [00:58:28]Dragua takes 10992 points of damage.

    [00:58:28]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    [01:06:45]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [01:06:45]Dragua takes 16473 points of damage.

    [01:06:52]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [01:06:52]Dragua takes 15726 points of damage.

    [01:06:53]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [01:06:53]Dragua takes 11039 points of damage.

    [01:06:58]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [01:06:58]Dragua takes 15589 points of damage.

    [01:07:01]Skillchain: Scission.

    [01:07:01]Dragua takes 631 points of damage.

    [01:07:04]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [01:07:04]Dragua takes 15783 points of damage.

    [01:07:05]Skillchain: Detonation.

    [01:07:05]Dragua takes 15510 points of damage.

    [01:07:09]Nynja uses Aeolian Edge.

    [01:07:09]Dragua takes 15754 points of damage.

    [01:07:10]Nynja defeats Dragua.


    Code:
            Baying  Razed   Smiting
    Average 13132.4 11547.6 14289.7
    Median  13289   12386   15740
    High    17943   17428   16619
    Low     5473    6083    3934
    I'm not sure why some Aeolian's vary so much...is it cause my personal aeolian gearswaps are failing to change cause I'm in a menu or selection from spamming? Would it cause that much of a difference?

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    I have the same issue with nukes. I think it's due to the small window of resistance build-up against a particular element since you're spamming in a small time frame, but I'm not familiar with the mechanics of the resist since I usually filter nukes from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NynJa View Post
    Khimaira's are generally weak to ice...and I think brew adds everything, including macc. I'm pretty sure when our Apad got out of hand, one of our blm's brewed and casted all spells without many problems.

    use GSD and herc slash? Probably not the best WS to use (1.0 TP mod across the board), but if resists are a worry, Ice WS should be a go.
    You are very wrong here. Herculean Slash was patched at some point and it's 3.5 fTP and 60% VIT and its one of the best ele WS for brew.

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    Razed Ruins is utterly pointless to use during brew. Your stats get capped at 999 regardless of your atma.

    THF/RDM or NIN/RDM (the subjob you should be using for AE on these jobs) gives you 24 MAB, Ultimate gives you 50 MAB, and Novio/Hecate's put you at 87 MAB. At this point, Baying Moon will increase your marginal damage by 34.5% while Hell's Guardian pushes it up by 57.5%. Aeolian Edge is 2.75 > 3.5 > 4 fTP, thus Smiting Blow adds a marginal 27.3%. However, I'm sure that the 34.5%/57.5% numbers are inaccurate, Trascendency is probably adding some amount of MAB that's currently unknown (long been suspected.) It doesn't look like you're using Martial Knife (which is essentially another Smiting Blow atma.) If you had been using this, Smiting Blow would only increase marginal damage by 14.3%. Using Martial Knife with the proper subjob and gear (could get better than this but I consider 2 MAB rings to be a waste of effort) would mean that this unknown MAB bonus would have to exceed 122 for Smiting Blow to be better than Baying Moon or Beyond (262 for Hell's Guardian.)

    I'd guess Transcendency is probably +100 MAB based on your damage logs. Smithing Blow might actually be a better choice for Freezebite, especially if you have Martial Sword (1 > 1.5 > 3.0). I'm not familiar with MAB gear available for Freezebite though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    I'd guess Transcendency is probably +100 MAB based on your damage logs. Smithing Blow might actually be a better choice for Freezebite, especially if you have Martial Sword (1 > 1.5 > 3.0). I'm not familiar with MAB gear available for Freezebite though.
    WTF Freezebite lol... check my post above...

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    Atma: Beyond, Ultimate, Crushing cudgel or Undying (Crushing is 20%?? Undying its minor so idk might be 20% too?)

    DRK: Twilight Cloak, Vicious mufflers, Hecate, Novio, artemis, Gloom Claymore, nimue tigh, af3+2 feet, Demon's rings, /rdm ~77-85mab
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    PLD: Corselet, Diana, Nimue, Shrewd, Toad, Hecate, Novio, artemis, Demon's rings, /rdm ~64-72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    I'd guess Transcendency is probably +100 MAB based on your damage logs.
    I believe its 900 MAB.

    Some old testing,

    With no MAB, staff or multipliers a dINT capped Stone 1 is 42 damage.

    Stone on SAM/SCH against Bugard in Vision zones with cruor buffs/MM 42 damage.

    With Brew damage was 420.

    42 * 9.99 = 419.58
    42 * 10.00 = 420.00

    Then adding on Novio/Hecate (13 MAB) damage was 425.

    42 * 1.13 * 9.00 = 427.14
    42 * 10.13 = 425.46

    Should prove its 900 MAB unless I'm doing something wrong?

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    Seems like something isn't adding up then. The observed marginal gain between Baying Moon & non Baying Moon was 13.72% when it would have theorically only been at most around 3.16%.

    Edit: Maybe it's the fact that it's past 3 here, but it seems like you've made a tremendous error when even trying to apply MAB to your calculation? 900 MAB would yield a 378 (42 * 900/100) damage Stone I. Also I've sometimes found the results from magic damage calculations to sometimes bee off by a point or two (they're otherwise fairly accurate.) I wouldn't say Stone I is a good spell to go by due to truncation errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    Seems like something isn't adding up then. The observed marginal gain between Baying Moon & non Baying Moon was 13.72% when it would have theorically only been at most around 3.16%.

    Edit: Maybe it's the fact that it's past 3 here, but it seems like you've made a tremendous error when even trying to apply MAB to your calculation? 900 MAB would yield a 378 (42 * 900/100) damage Stone I. Also I've sometimes found the results from magic damage calculations to sometimes bee off by a point or two (they're otherwise fairly accurate.) I wouldn't say Stone I is a good spell to go by due to truncation errors.
    Wouldn't you start at 100/100?

    100/100 for *1, 105/100 for 1.05 etc. 100+900/100 for 420.

    As far as other spells go, would need to know where dINT caps.

    As far Aeolian Edge goes, you would need to know TP at each WS as fTP changes, possible MDB(look how much more damage the Ergdrake took), then add in the resistance nerf for same element damage and you have a lot of variance.

    edit, original logs from when I did it: (water also matches going from the 66 cap to 660, I'm not sure of dINT cap on Fire.)
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    [02:10:10]Starstrukk casts Stone.
    
    [02:10:10]The Ypotryll takes 42 points of damage.
    
    [02:10:12]Starstrukk uses Third Eye.
    
    [02:10:41]Starstrukk's Third Eye effect wears off.
    
    [02:10:41]The Ypotryll hits Starstrukk for 202 points of damage.
    
    [02:10:43]Starstrukk uses a flask of primeval brew.
    
    [02:10:46]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:10:47]Starstrukk starts casting Stone on the Ypotryll.
    
    [02:10:50]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:10:54]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:10:54]Starstrukk casts Stone.
    
    [02:10:54]The Ypotryll takes 420 points of damage.
    
    [02:10:55]Starstrukk starts casting Water on the Ypotryll.
    
    [02:10:58]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:02]Starstrukk starts casting Fire on the Ypotryll.
    
    [02:11:02]The Ypotryll hits Starstrukk for 2 points of damage.
    
    [02:11:02]Starstrukk casts Water.
    
    [02:11:02]The Ypotryll takes 660 points of damage.
    
    [02:11:06]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:08]Starstrukk casts Fire.
    
    [02:11:08]The Ypotryll takes 1270 points of damage.
    
    [02:11:10]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:12]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:14]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:18]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:19]Starstrukk starts casting Stone on the Ypotryll.
    
    [02:11:22]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:26]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:26]Starstrukk casts Stone.
    
    [02:11:26]The Ypotryll takes 425 points of damage.
    
    [02:11:28]Starstrukk starts casting Aero II on the Ypotryll.
    
    [02:11:30]The Ypotryll misses Starstrukk.
    
    [02:11:33]Starstrukk gains 121 experience points.
    
    [02:11:33]yStarstrukk obtained 35 cruor.
    
    [02:11:33]Starstrukk's body emits a feeble azure light!
    
    [02:11:39]Starstrukk casts Aero II.
    
    [02:11:39]The Ypotryll takes 3839 points of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    Seems like something isn't adding up then. The observed marginal gain between Baying Moon & non Baying Moon was 13.72% when it would have theorically only been at most around 3.16%.
    If you're using the average Aeolian Edge numbers that Nynja posted to get that 13%, those numbers are subject to resists and ftp variations. Therefore, those numbers are meaningless when trying to determine the amount of MAB during brew because the values are not consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoreis View Post
    You are very wrong here. Herculean Slash was patched at some point and it's 3.5 fTP and 60% VIT and its one of the best ele WS for brew.
    I went by what was written there
    http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.p...&oldid=1275001

    I presume you must be Nanashi14 14? Either that, or its someone lurking here. Regardless, They should have filled in the 200% and 300% with 3.5 though as TP isnt a damage mod. "Paralyzes target. Duration of effect varies with TP. "

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    THF/RDM or NIN/RDM (the subjob you should be using for AE on these jobs)...*blah*...Using Martial Knife with the proper subjob and gear .
    Martial Knife is all but non existant on my server. The moment its on AH, its practically snatched up immediately. I know of 5 people camping them (inb4 dont be a jew and spend 50$ server transferring for one).

    Secondly...how the hell does someone change jobs in the middle of abyssea?

    Quote Originally Posted by zagex View Post
    If you're using the average Aeolian Edge numbers that Nynja posted to get that 13%, those numbers are subject to resists and ftp variations. Therefore, those numbers are meaningless when trying to determine the amount of MAB during brew because the values are not consistent.
    If youre spamming...which you should be...there shouldnt be much variance as to when the WS is fired. Elemental WS's return the same amount of TP every time (dont miss, dont multihit, no offhand from DW), and the only TP gain incured should be from a melee attack round sneaking through between WS's, getting hit by the target(s) via melee or a spell or TP move. The above factors mean all Aeolians in my logs, short of the initial ones, would have been fired between 105% and 120%TP. The Initial ones sometimes could have been fired at 104,154 or even 204 from lotting on item before martelocking.

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    Something quick, random, and off topic!

    I think i broke shinryu yesterday. I wanted a twilight belt so i went to solo it on cor with wildfire. Atmas were lone wolf, ultimate and smoldering sky. Opened with fire shot with af3+2 boots for the damage boost, and then shot of a wildfire. Shinryu dead. The first shot did 2380ish and the wildfire did 1580... Is it possible to do so much damage that game doesn't show it? I wonder if I broke 99,999 hmmmmm, i doubt it.

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    there has been reports and SS that you hit over a certain amount of damage and log shows the overflowed damage and shinryu dies in 1 hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebe View Post
    Something quick, random, and off topic!

    I think i broke shinryu yesterday. I wanted a twilight belt so i went to solo it on cor with wildfire. Atmas were lone wolf, ultimate and smoldering sky. Opened with fire shot with af3+2 boots for the damage boost, and then shot of a wildfire. Shinryu dead. The first shot did 2380ish and the wildfire did 1580... Is it possible to do so much damage that game doesn't show it? I wonder if I broke 99,999 hmmmmm, i doubt it.
    This is the reason why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoreis View Post
    You are very wrong here. Herculean Slash was patched at some point and it's 3.5 fTP and 60% VIT and its one of the best ele WS for brew.
    Oh. Was going off otherwiki info. Well then, guess I'm going w/ that lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NynJa View Post
    If youre spamming...which you should be...there shouldnt be much variance as to when the WS is fired. Elemental WS's return the same amount of TP every time (dont miss, dont multihit, no offhand from DW), and the only TP gain incured should be from a melee attack round sneaking through between WS's, getting hit by the target(s) via melee or a spell or TP move. The above factors mean all Aeolians in my logs, short of the initial ones, would have been fired between 105% and 120%TP. The Initial ones sometimes could have been fired at 104,154 or even 204 from lotting on item before martelocking.
    Do you WS in any MAB gear? WS Gorget/Belt?

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    Im at work, but i think i use the following

    Anwig (WSDmg)/artemis/mold/pixie(need hecate, lazy)
    Loki/af3+2/demon(mab+2)/jupi
    Cuchu/aquiline/denali/lithe

    As i said, some gearswaps may have failed from spamming on ws and gear doesnt change becuz im in a menu. I think next time ill lock in my gear so that doesnt happen


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