FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread II: Let's Speculate the Speculations

[niwaar]

Seems traits are like the replenish MP effect conjurers get (Trance Chant i think it was called), you can't equip this to any other class but a conjurer.

That's not a trait that is an actual ability that you can use. They said that certain abilities will be applied to all classes while certain abilities would only be usable my select classes. This is their way of never having to deal with the subjob/level issues that were the biggest reason that they had kept XI's cap at 75 for so long. They will never have to deal with any of the "Convert" issues when eventually raising the level cap. It simply will not be able to be applied.

Traits will more than likely be not be applicable to any other class but your main class. Most traits will probably be weapon based anyway. Use H2H gain martial arts... Because you can't be any other class with that weapon equipped what does it matter if you can't apply it to another?

[Jinko]

That's not a trait that is an actual ability that you can use.

Semantics.

If its limited to a class then its also a trait, doesn't matter if its active or passive.

[Khamsin]

Semantics.

If its limited to a class then its also a trait, doesn't matter if its active or passive.

Just like job traits in FFXI were limited to a particular job and couldn't be subbed?

[Omniyoji]

I just hope my magic for conjurer this time around will be more useful than using just blizz/thund most of the time. Same goes for those elemental arrows RNG got. Maybe they could do something like they did for Vivi & Steiner in 9 but better?

[Vlare]

For some reason I thought I remember reading something about this a while back but then again there may be no info on it, will there still be a sub job system like in FFXI?

[Kiarax]

I don't think the elemental spells have any difference in power this time. I'm sure it'll be about abusing weaknesses or pumping your elemental strength this time.

[Cairthenn]

But that would actually make sense.

[Jinko]

Just like job traits in FFXI were limited to a particular job and couldn't be subbed?

Hmm not really as there are no actual subjobs in 14 so it doesn't apply.

You only get to use what SE want you to, probably allowing your secondary skills to be the same level as your main ones.

[Kiarax]

But that would actually make sense.

I concede.

[Vacht]

Hmm, gonna have to change things @>@

[Loaar]

Has anyone in alpha tried pugilist and can give their experience with it?

I'm almost sure i read every page in the last thread and didn't see anything about pugilists.

I played a pug for a bit but server issues prevented me from really doing much.

have'nt found this anywhere, but are the alpha tests going to resume as normal this week?

hopefuly they got a lot of kinks out, and it will be smoother for testers to really get some testing done.

No word from SE yet.

[Vacht]

Well, we complained about it being too crowded, so we cant start complaining again. We had to realize if the mods were going to remove all the b/s they were going to have to remove the illegal pics and streams that were on here as well per NDA. Otherwise that would be a blatant disregard to SE's requests.

We made our bed, now we lay in it.

[Battlecat]

For some reason I thought I remember reading something about this a while back but then again there may be no info on it, will there still be a sub job system like in FFXI?

No, subjobs are an FFXI mechanic only. And since people seem to be having trouble comprehending this, or just refusing to actually read the wealth of information we already have:

Leveling multiple classes will still be important as you can use skills learned from them on other classes. Each class has specific abilities that only that class can use, but others are classed as Disciple of Magic or Disciple of War or both and can be used on any job once you've reached the same level with the second job (example: you level Lancer to 5 and learn Skewer, you then change to Marauder and when you get to level 5 on Marauder you could also equip Skewer). You get 20 ability slots and a certain amount of action points, each ability is worth a certain number of Action Points and once you reach the cap you can't equip any more abilities. It works almost exactly like Blue Mage from FFXI in that respect. SE has also said that certain abilities will jive better with certain classes than with others. Obviously Mage spells are going to be more effective with other mages, but it sounds like it may go a bit deeper than that. (the rest of this is random speculation btw) For instance, trying to skewer something with a giant axe might not work so hot in practice, while it might work fantastically with a pointy tipped weapon like a sword. Anyway, that's the job system in a nutshell so far.

[Vacht]

No, subjobs are an FFXI mechanic only. And since people seem to be having trouble comprehending this, or just refusing to actually read the wealth of information we already have:

Leveling multiple classes will still be important as you can use skills learned from them on other classes. Each class has specific abilities that only that class can use, but others are classed as Disciple of Magic or Disciple of War or both and can be used on any job once you've reached the same level with the second job (example: you level Lancer to 5 and learn Skewer, you then change to Marauder and when you get to level 5 on Marauder you could also equip Skewer). You get 20 ability slots and a certain amount of action points, each ability is worth a certain number of Action Points and once you reach the cap you can't equip any more abilities. It works almost exactly like Blue Mage from FFXI in that respect. SE has also said that certain abilities will jive better with certain classes than with others. Obviously Mage spells are going to be more effective with other mages, but it sounds like it may go a bit deeper than that. (the rest of this is random speculation btw) For instance, trying to skewer something with a giant axe might not work so hot in practice, while it might work fantastically with a pointy tipped weapon like a sword. Anyway, that's the job system in a nutshell so far.

Ahh interesting! I havnt read a description that was that concise. This is going to be a really impressive MMO.

[Loaar]

I noticed from the list of abilities that Cairthenn provided that Conjurer and Thaumaturge have spells that appear to be the same yet are named differently.

Conjurer: Reraise (Revives target on being KO'ed)
Thaumaturge: Soulward (Allows target to instantaneously revive on being KO'ed)

Conjurer: Raise (Revives a KO'ed target)
Thaumaturge: Resurrect (Revives a KO'ed target)

I'm wondering if the spells have different effects (shorter sickness for Raise or Resurrect) or if the timer on how long you have to take the res for Reraise or Soulward is different.

If they are the same and SE have just included them both to make it fit the "theme" of the magic types then that's a bit of a change too. In FFXI mages just had access to identical spells to varying degrees.

[Jesifromgaruda]

Thaumaturge: Soulward (Allows target to instantaneously revive on being KO'ed)

A reraise that you can cast on people? Yes, please.

[Cairthenn]

I noticed from the list of abilities that Cairthenn provided that Conjurer and Thaumaturge have spells that appear to be the same yet are named differently.

Conjurer: Reraise (Revives target on being KO'ed)
Thaumaturge: Soulward (Allows target to instantaneously revive on being KO'ed)

Conjurer: Raise (Revives a KO'ed target)
Thaumaturge: Resurrect (Revives a KO'ed target)

I'm wondering if the spells have different effects (shorter sickness for Raise or Resurrect) or if the timer on how long you have to take the res for Reraise or Soulward is different.

If they are the same and SE have just included them both to make it fit the "theme" of the magic types then that's a bit of a change too. In FFXI mages just had access to identical spells to varying degrees.

This is because of the way the classes are set up, I'd imagine. That is, at the moment anyways, there is no overlap. They'll probably just work the same.

[niwaar]

I noticed from the list of abilities that Cairthenn provided that Conjurer and Thaumaturge have spells that appear to be the same yet are named differently.

Conjurer: Reraise (Revives target on being KO'ed)
Thaumaturge: Soulward (Allows target to instantaneously revive on being KO'ed)

Conjurer: Raise (Revives a KO'ed target)
Thaumaturge: Resurrect (Revives a KO'ed target)

I'm wondering if the spells have different effects (shorter sickness for Raise or Resurrect) or if the timer on how long you have to take the res for Reraise or Soulward is different.

If they are the same and SE have just included them both to make it fit the "theme" of the magic types then that's a bit of a change too. In FFXI mages just had access to identical spells to varying degrees.

While I agree with Cair that to a degree, Raise and Resurrect are probably the same spell. I would be interested to know limitations, such as targetability of Reraise. I have a feeling Reraise is self only and Soulward will be something akin to soulstone in WoW. We could find out that Raise and Resurrect are as different as Raise and Battle Raise who knows.

[Battlecat]

Reminds me of Sleep, Repose, and Lullaby... Same effect, different names.

[Azurewrath]

I don't know what Repose is, quit before that, but sleep and lullaby were definitely very different.

But yeah.