Kitron Macaron

[cdgreg]

These were brought up in one of the HQ threads or stupid question thread referring to its hidden effects of reducing break rate. Anyways, I read this on ffxiah.com http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=5781

After testing a whole stack of these macarons I can confirm that the break rate does hit rock bottom but at the cost of less HQs even after testing it out on a T3 synth. Based on 641 total synths I only failed 14 times which is roughly 2.18% fail rate, which is improved drastically basing it on a 5% rate, the downwards is I only got 113 HQs (doesn't matter which tier since its the same) which turns into 17.62%, comparing it on a rough 50% based on a T3 synth.

This makes me believe that a really good use for these is synths that don't require HQs and whatever loss costs a lot of money IE Imp. Wootz ingots.

For those wanting to know how i tested it, I synthed Meat Mithkabobs (cap 38) with a cooking skill of 100+3.

Does anyone know this guy, has anyone done testing themselves?

[Zouri]

I think a better way to test the break would be on something other than a T-3 synth.. Maybe on a skill up item 5+ lvls above would be more adequate. I'll start some testing tomorrow... just to see. I dont believe i will be suprised though.

[Theraven]

Why is a t3 synth bad to test on? 5% break rate is pretty well proven, and 641 synths is a pretty big sample size. Not huge, but it's not tiny either. In any case, I was always afraid that it lowered HQ rate and this seems to point towards that being right. Great food for synths that you don't want to hq, but bad when trying for hq's. Wonder how much it lowers t0 hq rate. Would suck to test that one though, since you would need such a huge sample size.

edit: wonder if these also stack with the craft nq rings to give a 1% break rate. that would be pretty awesome for stuff like imp. wootz ingots, making threads, cloth, etc.

[urat]

So would the other two macaroons have different effects? One increased break and HQ rate?

Theres three though, I dunno what #3 would even do... Less chance of losing items when breaking? Either way I am grabbing myself a stack of kitron macaroons for desynthing soulflayer staves now :D

[Jimothy]

I'll have to start keeping track of all the synths I do, I always use macarons unless its something ridiculously cheap. I've never noticed a lowered HQ rate but I haven't kept track. I'll be making tons of arrows/nin tools today so ill post what I get when its done, but so far:

73 synths - 0 breaks
of the 73, 66 were synths that can HQ
66 synths, 24 NQ of those = 36% NQ rate so far.

Obviously very small sample but its not even noon yet so I'll have plenty more later!\


Also I've tried using macaron for desynth and they still break like fucking crazy.

[urat]

I think I'll do a 100 sample on both coffee and cherry macarons to try and determine, if either is a hq booster, which it is.

Judging from that I'll then go ahead and do a big multi batch of, oh I dunno I guess demon arrowheads sounds like a good one.

To remove day/time/month/direction, I will always face west or something, and do an alternating synthing system.

Synth 40~50 with macaron, 40~50 without, rinse and repeat. I might need to get my hands on a bastokan waystone now, since as of this morning bastok is in the lead >.<

Unless anyone knows of a decently average WWing synth that has one or two stackable materials and the return stacks as well, allowing me to pump out lots of synths in one sitting without fear of inventory space...?

So far scorpion arrowheads look best as I can make everything but the fletchings which aren't hard to locate.

Also as per the effect of the third macaron, mayhaps its something like, kitron is +success/-HQ, coffee is -success/+HQ and cherry is something like increased chance/rate of skillups + some kind of detrimental effect like higher risk of breaking? I dunno.

[Jimothy]

Unless anyone knows of a decently average WWing synth that has one or two stackable materials and the return stacks as well, allowing me to pump out lots of synths in one sitting without fear of inventory space...?

Shihei

[urat]

Shihei only stack to average 2 synths/stack, not really saving much space.

I was more thinking of something like arrowheads or fletchings if I had the skill to HQ those. Stacks greatly into products, and the mats barely take up any room.

Hmmm hm hmmm

[toqabowl]

Shihei only stack to average 2 synths/stack, not really saving much space.

Turn them into toolbags while synthing??? derb

[Aumaan_Kujata]

To add to the workload a bit, don't forget there are actually six food items potentially related to crafting- the three rusks also (Sugar Rusk, Chocolate Rusk, Coconut Rusk), added at the same time and sharing the 'artisan'-related-description theme.

When they were first pointed out to me I thought the number 6 was suspicious, since it frequently ties in to elemental affinities (excluding light/dark) when it comes up in ffxi, but this doesn't seem very consistent with crafting, which, uh, doesn't exclude light/dark.

[cdgreg]

How about we just focus on one? Screw the other 5 for now.

[Jimothy]

Well didn't get to synth anything today but I did 313 synths last night:

313 total synths
5 total breaks = 1.597%

Of those

176 were synths with 1 subcraft
3 of those 176 were breaks = 1.705%

---HQ rates----

T3s:

108 HQ of 203 synths

T2s:

23 HQs of 103 synths


I'll continue to record my synths results, but when you consider the fact that normally multiple craft recipes have a higher breakrate and here its only 1-2%, seems like its doing something. Doesn't seem to lower my HQs either.

[tymora]

Eyeballing the break rates and sample sizes, I would think Rusks and Macarons have 2 different effects, and those within the family are of different grades.

Based on material rarity, perhaps it is -1% break rate per Macron.
Cherry Macaron - ~1%
Coffee Macaron - ~2%
Kitron Macaron - ~3%

Rusk, anyone's guess at what it does. I'll not be too optimistic and say it will shift HQ rates.
Sugar Rusk
Chocolate Rusk
Coconut Rusk

Try logs for Woodworking? Sell well too...ebony and ancient.

[Zouri]

Lets just say i was very bored this evening.... so i figgured i would see if anything happened to the opposite side of the spectrum.. desynths!

Out of 100 mythril earringt desynths....
No food:
62 breaks (materials lost 40 times)
12 nq desynths
26 hq desynths

Kitron Macaronis
54 breaks (loss on 33)
25 nq desynths
21 hq desynths


For what it's worth, that was a lot more nq desynths... but only 1 test tells little.

[tymora]

Anyone (Zouri?) that does break-synthing can check if Rusk reduces chance of item lost on a break?

[Zouri]

the difference of 7 items lost over 100 desynths was far too low to be conclusive. Ive been too busy at work and home to sit and desynth like that recently, but maybe tomorrow evening i will do a few thousand more synths just to see.

[tymora]

Thanks. Just to be sure, I am referring to Coconut Rusk, and not Kitron Macaron, for the testing of lower chance on item loss on break effect.

[urat]

If there are 3 rusks and 3 macarons of varying level and cost, and we have found kitron to give noticable increase to success rate and loss of hq, then Im gonna make a wild stab in the dark and guess the rusks do the opposite. I'll test those instead of macarons as theres plenty of evidence for now to make a half decent inference.

Sandy has control so bloody bolts it looks like methinks...

[tymora]

Jimothy didn't record a loss of HQ though.

[urat]

Jimothy didn't record a loss of HQ though.

I know I was basing my stuff off the study posted in OP.

Either way even if the food doesn't adversely effect other half of crafting Im guessing the rusks will boost hq rate if macarons boost success.

Thus I am hunting down a 100 chef with coconut rusk mats in hand.