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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    Losses with 8-9, playing with minimum. They were my own pops, I didn't ask linkshell members to risk it, I was just playing around with what the minimum players/2hs we could get away with. With 12 and the setup listed, it's a sure win with far less 2hs used and the ability to do 3 back to back.

    Sure, everyone could bring a perfect defense for each party and do double SV with bene ready for every Kirin.. but then you wouldn't ever learn if it's doable with less than 20.
    Then don't say using PD is silly because even if you low man it you can just have that pt live through anything within 50 seconds or so which is enough for astral flow to go off and enough time to kill it, 90s = 1m30 which is what you said it took to kill. You don't need PD for every party, once you do the buffs drop the bard and cor toss another DD in and the smn + DNC, thats 4 DD protected through PD and its more than enough to kill it with all those buffs.

    City AF is rare, heard it here first folks. A full clear(doable with 10-12 btw..), will result in 20-24 AF pieces. That's an average of ~1.2 per piece, it's not very hard to cap on any of them.
    Not all of the same AF, people still want more than one thing etc. Point still stands that cities are generally more profitable than COP, so who cares either way? People also invite new members to an LS, not everyone likes to do things like you.

  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    am I being whooshed here or are you unaware you can't cast SS over SS. Unless we are all perfect robots and always click off SS at precisely the right time.
    Well, Stoneskin is an extremely slow casting spell so it's not difficult to cancel it properly if you work out what % casting you should cancel it at. Failing that, Cancel plugin.

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    If you do it right you won't even see the icon disappear.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermie View Post
    If you do it right you won't even see the icon disappear.
    and if you lag for half a second or you sneeze or you just fuckup, you are without SS for 25+ seconds and you could probably die pretty easy. As I said, not robots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    and if you lag for half a second or you sneeze or you just fuckup, you are without SS for 25+ seconds and you could probably die pretty easy. As I said, not robots
    lol? It's no different than utsu, which no one who's not retarded has a problem with canceling.

  6. #86

    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    Then don't say using PD is silly because even if you low man it you can just have that pt live through anything within 50 seconds or so which is enough for astral flow to go off and enough time to kill it, 90s = 1m30 which is what you said it took to kill. You don't need PD for every party, once you do the buffs drop the bard and cor toss another DD in and the smn + DNC, thats 4 DD protected through PD and its more than enough to kill it with all those buffs.
    Show me a win with 8 including a SMN and a THF, please?

    Not all of the same AF, people still want more than one thing etc. Point still stands that cities are generally more profitable than COP, so who cares either way? People also invite new members to an LS, not everyone likes to do things like you.
    1.2 of each AF on average, means you'll cap pretty quickly. Sure, you might get 4-5m in coins, but a single attestation or fragment guarantees the outlands run a better profit margin and the AF pieces sell higher/are more useful if not capped. Good shells don't run cities.

  7. #87

    My SAM:
    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2982/samn.jpg

    1. 5hit Kokushitsunotachi, uses carbonara
    2. 6hit Kokushitsunotachi(aka shit fuck shit i need acc), can use pizza or sushi
    3. 5hit Keitonotachi, in case something isn't TP friendly(hardly necessary but I had keitono before kokushit)
    4. WS. Keitonotachi 5hit as well as kokushitsunotachi evasion builds use Usu Haramaki over Osode to maintain xhit. Smilodon is a space issue, usu legs swapped in if attack is low.
    5. Evasion
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    8. All practical use

  8. #88
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    Man, do I wish my SAM could use black belt bro

  9. #89

    Perle legs for MDT, you're so silly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    Perle legs for MDT, you're so silly
    I laughed a lot harder than i should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    Show me a win with 8 including a SMN and a THF, please?
    I used your example where you had two whm's, both could even go on SMN. 8 people? all using 2hrs its very easy.

    1.2 of each AF on average, means you'll cap pretty quickly. Sure, you might get 4-5m in coins, but a single attestation or fragment guarantees the outlands run a better profit margin and the AF pieces sell higher/are more useful if not capped. Good shells don't run cities.

    Yeah in a perfect world, getting a buyer every single run ? I think not. Here you go over exaggerating like always.

  12. #92

    SMN limits you to one run, 2 SMNs with 12 limit you to two(and require job changes in this case). Not seeing the point.

    Buyers are suddenly hard to find? I have 6 in line for dchap, 9 for various attestations, 2 fragments to do next run. Here, let's humor you, you get about 400 coins in an average sandy run. Given they're 15k per, that's about 6m. Now, average xarc run gets about 180 coins with an even distribution + 100 piece from DL(99%). 7k + 14k + 15k = 36k / 3 = 12k average value of a coin. 12k * 279 = 3348k. If you sell a chapeau every 3rd run(or keep it, it's still an economic gain for your linkshell), you're looking at 5m/3 = 1.666k more. Running total: 5014k. If you sell a shadow ring every other run(or keep it, it's still an economic gain for your linkshell), you're looking at 10m/2 = 5000k more. If you sell a shadow mantle every other run(or keep it, it's still an economic gain for your linkshell), you're looking at 4m/2 or 2000k more. If you sell a fragment every 4th run, you're looking at 5m/4 = 1250k more. Economic value of a xarcabard run where only the chapeau has a true price for relic is about 13,264k. Koga Tekko, Assassin's Armlets, Sorcerer's Petasos, and Valor Surcoat have all sold for between 1.5 and 3.5m as well, though finding buyers for those is less reliable so they aren't in my estimate.

    Glacier is slightly less lucrative, but you still get 3 shots at useful attestations(1/3 * 3 * 5m), ~300 coins with an even distribution = 3600k, for an economic value of 8600k before considering AF.

    What the hell are you going to get in sandy that compares to that, exactly? SCH hands, RDM feet, BRD hat, NIN legs, SMN feet still have uses, but they cap at around 1m economic value per, and finding buyers for any of those is few/far between. Hell, as stated, finding a competent member that doesn't already have them is just as difficult.. floored AF has no value.

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    Can someone tell me what abyssea shit my WAR is missing/needs and/or if I'm doing something wrong?

    Spoiler: show

    Aggressor Down - 4 horns short so let's just pretend that weapon's finished. Not buying Dusk+1 now that Timarli's been found. 1sTP short from True 6-Hit, so I'm fine after RR/KJ. Hollow Earring.
    http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5...2612170739.jpg

    Aggressor Up - I fulltime TP in this for older content where acc is already capped.
    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9...2612175120.jpg

    Raging Rush - Opted for using Perle Feet over Heca just cause of the haste over the slow at the cost of 1STR.
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    King's Justice
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    Steel Cyclone
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    Zerg set at capped haste with DNC/Hasso/SV marches/etc. - Perle gloves/feet
    http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4...2612254623.jpg


  14. #94
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    waste of man hours to put everyone in xarc. split city runs and make 2, 3, or 4 times what you would with one run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    waste of man hours to put everyone in xarc. split city runs and make 2, 3, or 4 times what you would with one run
    i lol'd

  16. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazmaz View Post
    Can someone tell me what abyssea shit my WAR is missing/needs and/or if I'm doing something wrong?
    Heafoc Mitts would be something to shoot for. Varangian Helm for Steel Cyclone.

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    First thought was "N-sash but NQ amemet, wtf?!?". I love that backpiece just for it's ability to troll so hard.

    Hachiryu legs would be an upgrade for SC/KJ. There's not that much acc difference between your agg up/down sets, so maybe consider a different neckpiece?

  18. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohaigaiz View Post
    i lol'd
    right? lol
    you know he would be arguing the other way if someone said the other side first

  19. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazmaz View Post
    Can someone tell me what abyssea shit my WAR is missing/needs and/or if I'm doing something wrong?

    Spoiler: show

    Aggressor Down - 4 horns short so let's just pretend that weapon's finished. Not buying Dusk+1 now that Timarli's been found. 1sTP short from True 6-Hit, so I'm fine after RR/KJ. Hollow Earring.
    http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5...2612170739.jpg

    Aggressor Up - I fulltime TP in this for older content where acc is already capped.
    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9...2612175120.jpg

    Raging Rush - Opted for using Perle Feet over Heca just cause of the haste over the slow at the cost of 1STR.
    http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1...2612230662.jpg

    King's Justice
    http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/620...2612233310.jpg

    Steel Cyclone
    http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5...2612240079.jpg

    Zerg set at capped haste with DNC/Hasso/SV marches/etc. - Perle gloves/feet
    http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4...2612254623.jpg

    Tiercel necklace

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdkuser View Post
    Tiercel necklace
    War can't equip

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