Are these controversies relevant to your impression of FFXIV

**Rowe** · 2010-09-12 11:55

Apparently some players have taken note of the repetitive use of terrain cells in XIV. Viewing the full sized maps is a little shocking. So far in the open Beta I can't say it has limited my enjoyment of the game.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/0...ut-copy-paste/

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/0...te-map-design/

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/0...l-fantasy-xiv/

**Null** · 2010-09-12 11:59

I really don't care at all. For the most part these are far far away from each other and it doesn't hinder my game play what so ever.

**Lucavi** · 2010-09-12 12:11

It doesn't limit my enjoyment, per say, but when I couple it with the fact that SE has enjoyed "cutting a few corners" lately, including with FFXIII's narrow approach, it irks me a bit. There are other games out there that are current-gen and don't seem to be having too many problems handling their technology, so I don't see why SE keeps making such excuses whenever someone criticizes their approach to their recent 7th gen games.

**TStupified** · 2010-09-12 12:13

Hasn't really bothered me so far, I don't mind some paths I walk through on my way somewhere being repetetive, as there are plenty of very pretty and unique places in the enviroment as well.

**Sutien** · 2010-09-12 12:37

Originally Posted by TStupified

Hasn't really bothered me so far, I don't mind some paths I walk through on my way somewhere being repetetive, as there are plenty of very pretty and unique places in the enviroment as well.

This is pretty much what I'm thinking as well. The first time I opened the map I noticed a lot of it seemed copy paste. Once you get out there and explore it doesn't matter though. It's almost nitpicking at this point. Just get out there and have fun. >.>

**Rowe** · 2010-09-12 13:03

While out exploring a few times I did a:

Huh?!?! Where am I? I thought this places was to the south east. I'd check the map and realize I was right; there was another spot that looked the same else where, but it didn't bother me enough to care.

**miokomioko** · 2010-09-12 17:35

This is retarded. People are only getting sandy vaginas about this because the environment is beautiful enough to look at for more than a split second. This is getting blown entirely out of proportion just because talking shit about the XIV beta is the cool thing to do right now. You would have to be incredibly naive to deny every other game with zones half the size as these don't do the same goddamn thing.

**Meresgi** · 2010-09-13 09:52

Seriously? This is a complaint? I linked this in the other thread not knowing this one was here but....really? Every game reuses things nowadays. I'll complain when SE begins to recycle all the armor/monsters over and over like they do in console games...till then, I don't really give a damn about this.

**Rowe** · 2010-09-13 11:37

I think it is more of an issue with the Japanese players. All those marked up maps are coming from them. I don't think NA or EU players are bothered by it even if we notice a lot of identical rocks or ponds.

**Gokulo** · 2010-09-13 12:22

Originally Posted by Meresgi

I'll complain when SE begins to recycle all the armor/monsters over and over like they do in console games...till then, I don't really give a damn about this.

Umm, should have already started some time ago then?

Don't mad though!! I got used to that long ago, reusing is a everyday reality of a jRPG gamer ;<

Vuitton · 2010-09-13 14:08

I expect graphics to be reused in an MMO. Hell, even single player games have this. Ever try and make a map with the War Craft, Star Craft, or Command and Conquer map editors? Its the same thing.

I think people are forgetting that an environment has a lot of similar things in it that sets it apart from other environments. Ul'dah has a lot of star shaped mountains and j-shaped ridges. Awesome! Who cares? It makes the geography as a whole unique. Gridania is a labrynth of passage ways that curve around and empty out into small glens and meadows that have the same shape but a different layout of flowers/trees. Who cares? It looks amazing and adds to the feeling of being lost in the woods. I never think "oh this all looks the same god i hate SE". I think "wow, look at all these trees and I can't even see the sky. What a cool maze."

People need to douche the sand out of their dry vaginas.

Edit:

They reskinned the marmots?!

They reskinned the crabs?!

They reskinned the armors?!

Welcome to MMOs! FFXIV is not unique in this.

**Uzor** · 2010-09-13 14:23

If you can show me a game where every straw of grass, tree leaves, flower petals rock, mountain side and monster is completely unique, I might considering getting bothered.

Its not exactly news that game developers use the same skin model - or even design - for various things. Not to drag real-life examples in to things (I find them stupid), but dogs are just reskinned wolves. There's over 50 breeds of rabbits, and over 5000 species of crabs in the world. Reused ideas suck, the world is too bland and boring. (Yes, bad example, and I am ironic).

Edit: My point is - if you'd make everything in a game unique, the amount of time and resources it would require with today's technology, the game would be outdated by the time it hits the market. I don't think there's a single game on the market that does not reuse models - albeit admittedly some may be better at hiding it than SE.

**sy.ste** · 2010-09-13 14:39

The problem with FFXIV is that they are not even to hide this worthless junk. In FFXI it was not as obvious (it was not obvious) as this. They could, at the very least, try to hide these copy pastas.

**Rowe** · 2010-09-13 15:01

FFXI is the MMO I have spent the most time in. I've also played WoW, AoC, Warhammer and LoTRs. I have to say FFXI was the game I felt had the best environmental layouts.

**miokomioko** · 2010-09-13 16:55

Originally Posted by sy.ste

The problem with FFXIV is that they are not even to hide this worthless junk. In FFXI it was not as obvious (it was not obvious) as this. They could, at the very least, try to hide these copy pastas.

You don't get it. It was not as obvious in something like FFXI for multiple reasons.

a: the maps fucking sucked and were incredibly low-res and vague, not detailing any terrain whatsoever
b: the environments weren't 1/100 as detailed
c: no one gave a shit and even paid attention to it because it was just terrain, shit to be walked on, not looked at
d: these zones are 10 times as large

As soon as they make the game this beautiful and cause people stare at the random bullshit ponds and rocks, people start to go "...huh, I they reused this rock I think, I've stared at a rock that looked just like this"

Vuitton · 2010-09-13 21:56

Originally Posted by miokomioko

You don't get it. It was not as obvious in something like FFXI for multiple reasons.

a: the maps fucking sucked and were incredibly low-res and vague, not detailing any terrain whatsoever
b: the environments weren't 1/100 as detailed
c: no one gave a shit and even paid attention to it because it was just terrain, shit to be walked on, not looked at
d: these zones are 10 times as large

As soon as they make the game this beautiful and cause people stare at the random bullshit ponds and rocks, people start to go "...huh, I they reused this rock I think, I've stared at a rock that looked just like this"

I do this in real life. I see a rock and I am like "fuck you God, this rock is just a copy of that other rock I saw on the other side of town", because all rocks look the same to me.

**miokomioko** · 2010-09-13 23:00

Originally Posted by Vuitton

I do this in real life. I see a rock and I am like "fuck you God, this rock is just a copy of that other rock I saw on the other side of town", because all rocks look the same to me.

Then you essentially "cancel your pre-order" by putting a shotgun in your mouth?

**Ksandra** · 2010-09-13 23:05

I just don't understand how people can be upset about things like this. Be thankful or the game was gonna come out 10 + year from now.

**notorious bum** · 2010-09-14 00:31

My take on why its hard to get past some people's minds is: this is a heavily funded, visually-promoted, branded game that has been in dev for a decent amount of time already. Recycled geometry chunks are obviously fine, recycled "scenes" is just lazy and inexcusable for 2010.

I bet even Guild Wars2 will have less detectable clonestamping than this game. MMO's shouldn't get a free pass when system limitations is no longer an excuse for visual shortcomings.

Not a dealbreaker for purchase, but the theme of "underwhelming" and "half-assed" is concurrent with other basic functionality in-game. Makes you wonder just what the hell they were doing for all those years.

**Gokulo** · 2010-09-14 01:04

Originally Posted by notorious bum

Makes you wonder just what the hell they were doing for all those years.

Guildleves!

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