FFXII International

[Maguspk]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfa ... es;title;2 (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasyxiiinternational/news.html?sid=6170691&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;2)

Sounds like it's worth the purchase, they fixed alot of the worse parts about it.

[Kaylia]

Fast forward mode is awesome...every game need that. I like the change, but I wouldnt buy the game again for that. I usually play rpg once for the story, and that's all.

[Charismatic]

I would buy it. I didn't buy the original FFXII, I borrowed it. But if they released this version in the states(they probably won't) I would actually spend money on it.

[Elcura]

That's pretty awesome. I wonder if they'll add new magic and skills? Only thing I'm interested in though is the extra content, some more hunts or something like that.

Every FF game needs to have as much content as FFX international or more.

[Julian]

That article is pretty old.

new screens: http://the-magicbox.com/0706/game070627d.shtml

Also

- Shonen Jump magazine revealed that Square Enix's Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System for PS2 will have 2 additional playable characters, they are Larsa Ferrina Solidor and Vossler. Both characters will no longer be non-playable/guest characters, you can put them into your team, set their gambits, and use them as leader in battles. Larsa and Vossler will also have their own set of weapons.


For old info, found in that article, but better summarized:


Square Enix revealed new details on Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System for PS2:

* Zodiac Job System, which consists of 12 different license boards that allows you to customize the character to be like 12 different jobs, including Knight, Monk, Time Mage, Breaker, Archer, Black Mage, White Mage, Red Mage, Kikoushi (Gun Fighter), Uhlan (Spearman), Shikari (Theft Fighter with Daggers), and Momonofu (Samurai/Ninja).
* Each character can only choose one Zodiac license board at the beginning, you may not change the board during the game
* New "Double Speed Mode", which allows the game runs twice as fast than the normal speed, but display may become a little choppy due to frame skips
* New "Trial Mode", which allows you to battle bosses and enemies you've fought previously, much like survival battles. There will be certain surprise enemies toward the end
* Guest characters and Summon Espers can now be controlled during battles, you can choose what attack and skills to use
* Location of certain hard-to-find treasure boxes have been relocated to more convenient locations, raising the odds of obtaining rare items
* Easier to obtain loots from monsters, meaning easier to earn money in the game
* The game is designed to be replayed multiple times
* 16:9 wide screen support, the feature was missing in the Japanese original
* Voice dialogs will be in full English, with Japanese subtitles

[Helpoemer]

the new job system sounds cool, yet scary at the same time :x

it will REALLY change the way battles like Doom Dragon/Yiazmat/Fafnir are fought.

edit: this won't be out till next year for US probably =P *hopes for beta leakage*

[MF Perm]

That article is pretty old.

new screens: http://the-magicbox.com/0706/game070627d.shtml

Also

- Shonen Jump magazine revealed that Square Enix's Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System for PS2 will have 2 additional playable characters, they are Larsa Ferrina Solidor and Vossler. Both characters will no longer be non-playable/guest characters, you can put them into your team, set their gambits, and use them as leader in battles. Larsa and Vossler will also have their own set of weapons.


For old info, found in that article, but better summarized:


Square Enix revealed new details on Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System for PS2:

* Zodiac Job System, which consists of 12 different license boards that allows you to customize the character to be like 12 different jobs, including Knight, Monk, Time Mage, Breaker, Archer, Black Mage, White Mage, Red Mage, Kikoushi (Gun Fighter), Uhlan (Spearman), Shikari (Theft Fighter with Daggers), and Momonofu (Samurai/Ninja).
* Each character can only choose one Zodiac license board at the beginning, you may not change the board during the game
* New "Double Speed Mode", which allows the game runs twice as fast than the normal speed, but display may become a little choppy due to frame skips
* New "Trial Mode", which allows you to battle bosses and enemies you've fought previously, much like survival battles. There will be certain surprise enemies toward the end
* Guest characters and Summon Espers can now be controlled during battles, you can choose what attack and skills to use
* Location of certain hard-to-find treasure boxes have been relocated to more convenient locations, raising the odds of obtaining rare items
* Easier to obtain loots from monsters, meaning easier to earn money in the game
* The game is designed to be replayed multiple times
* 16:9 wide screen support, the feature was missing in the Japanese original
* Voice dialogs will be in full English, with Japanese subtitles


The job system does it for me. I wasn't impressed with how at level 30 I had almost every square revealed and enabled by the mid-30's. It left nothing to look forward to except for gear which was gay to get because of the treasure system.

But if that's released stateside I'll pick it up since I gave on the original and traded it in not long after I got it.

[Maguspk]

Yeh, after getting golden armlets or amulets whatever they were called and getting 999 AP and unlocking most of the board I traded mine too. It was really dumb how everyone used the same board, but now you have customized boards it seems.

For some of the license boards they mention there weren't original things they could include, from the old license board, which makes me think. They probably had to redo all the boards to fit the jobs and include new abilities/upgrades so that the boards wouldn't just be the orginal board but split into 12 parts. It'll be really interesting how they fill up these new boards :D

[Exoduso]

Job system sounds impressive... I'll probably give it a shot.

I really didn't like the original FF12, but I did finish its storyline at least... maybe this time it'll make the game more interesting.
Are they adding any additional scenes/chars/summons?

[Elcura]

no new chars, from the looks of it though, larsa, vossler and reddas become playable.

[Kaylia]

no new chars, from the looks of it though, larsa, vossler and reddas become playable.
Doesn't really change a thing tho, considering you don't have any with you at the end of the game where you spend most of the time. Summon being playable look interesting tho..could make them useful

[Elcura]

Yeah, but I know some people use the guest characters to help them do whatever non-story stuff they might have trouble with, like beating Gilgamesh or fighting that lightning summon early on. And I have a feeling Larsa will be playable a lot more than he was in the normal version. Although if Reddas and Vossler don't die it'll be disappointing.

And controlling summons sounds cool, they might actually be useful this time around. Especially if you can set their gambits.

[MF Perm]

Yeh, after getting golden armlets or amulets whatever they were called and getting 999 AP and unlocking most of the board I traded mine too. It was really dumb how everyone used the same board, but now you have customized boards it seems.

For some of the license boards they mention there weren't original things they could include, from the old license board, which makes me think. They probably had to redo all the boards to fit the jobs and include new abilities/upgrades so that the boards wouldn't just be the orginal board but split into 12 parts. It'll be really interesting how they fill up these new boards :D


Hopefully they don't bitch out and just combine the weapons board and ability board into one for every job -_-

There's alot of potential for new abilities and such, I'm kindof psyched to see where they go with it.

[Helpoemer]

They mention that "the game is designed to be replayed multiple times"

wonder if it'll be like FFX-2 with New Game+, you keep the license board abilities you learned from the previous game, but they won't be available till you buy the magic/ability again, and you MIGHT be able to keep items. also with the new game+ you can choose another license board again for the character

[Kaylia]

Yeah, but I know some people use the guest characters to help them do whatever non-story stuff they might have trouble with, like beating Gilgamesh or fighting that lightning summon early on. And I have a feeling Larsa will be playable a lot more than he was in the normal version. Although if Reddas and Vossler don't die it'll be disappointing.

And controlling summons sounds cool, they might actually be useful this time around. Especially if you can set their gambits.
True I guess. Didnt think about Larse being playable in final dungeon

[Maguspk]

They mention that "the game is designed to be replayed multiple times"

wonder if it'll be like FFX-2 with New Game+, you keep the license board abilities you learned from the previous game, but they won't be available till you buy the magic/ability again, and you MIGHT be able to keep items. also with the new game+ you can choose another license board again for the character

That'd be a great marketing idea, so much replay value.

WHM/BLM ftw

[Helpoemer]

wow, just read that it's coming out this august in japan, definately gonna "pick it up" ;o

edit: also read in the gamespot article that it is going to be like i thought with the license board, can't quote it directly right now but it was along the lines of "you won't be able to change the license board until you finish the game or restart"

[Exoduso]

Yeah it seems like once you pick a job you're stuck with it for that save.

I'll definitely give it a shot when it comes out.

[Akiyama]

I'll definitely buy this. I already had certain characters playing such roles in the game, except of course the fact that you could do everything anyway. Fran the Archer or BLM ftw. Ashe and Penelo mage powah too. Yeah, it'll be interesting o.o;

[Exoduso]

Oh shit it's coming out in 2 weeks.

[Elcura]

JP ONRY right? I kinda want this game, but I've pretty much played this to hell already...job system seems good but I dunno if there's enough to warrant a new buy.

[Helpoemer]

screw buying! testing these games ftw, figure it all out in JP then wait for engrish release and be a fountain of knowledge!

[Exoduso]

International releases aren't being released in the US, just like they're not bringing KH2 FM here...

That being said, why the hell would you buy it? Blackcats is your friend.

[Huggo]

I'm not holding out any hope at all that this is going to be released in the states. We didn't get FFX Intl. we didn't get KH2 FM+ why would they suddenly turn cool and give us this?

[Admo]

You could import it (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-1zw1.html), but I have no idea how to undo the region lock. :(

[Niiro]

I still don't get why there isn't an NA compatible version, they could even just make it available by order so they don't need to spend money stocking it.

The 'International' version is even in english ffs.

Missing out on a lot of money.

[Vinen]

I still don't get why there isn't an NA compatible version, they could even just make it available by order so they don't need to spend money stocking it.

The 'International' version is even in english ffs.

Missing out on a lot of money.

Not really. Stores are still stocking the original FFXII.

[Niiro]

I doubt many people that don't have the original are gonna care enough to order the international version, I don't think one would effect the other really.

At least not enough to make it not worth it.

(Did that make any sense?)

[Exoduso]

NA people don't think like JP... JP will buy any version of the game, even if SE released 5 of them.

NAs (again, majority..) only care for one version and wouldn't fork another 50 dollars for the same game with a few added fights and effects here and there..

For this reason exactly, SE prefers to keep the international version in JP (it's called international because its got english voice overs but jp test) and they still leave it open for NAs to purchase it if they decide to import by keeping the english voices in the game.

FFX international was in english and released in europe because SE fucked up and took ages to give them the game, so to make it up to the europeans they gave them the international version.. any other international/remake since then has been with english voices and jp text, and was only released in Japan.

[Niiro]

Why do they even bother calling it international anyway if the majority of them are only released in Japan.

And it's not fair :(

[Charla]

Maybe the word "international" is only in the English title, and the real title is more like "More stuff for us cause we're just that much more awesome than honky over there".

[Exoduso]

I just explained in my last post why it's named International heh..

[Jefe]

Wonder if I should get this at BC, kinda reluctant because I didn't even finish FF12 ;o

[Niiro]

I just explained in my last post why it's named International heh..
I don't see how keeping the American voice actors makes it international.

[Exoduso]

Because american voice cast + jp text = international?

[Exoduso]

Wonder if I should get this at BC, kinda reluctant because I didn't even finish FF12 ;o

It should defnitely be more entertaining than the original... and probably harder cus you'll end up using all 6 characters instead of just using 3 for the entire game (i'm sure different boss fights/situations will call for different jobs, and since each char can only have 1 job throughout the course of an entire gameplay, having 6 different jobs would give you the edge over only using 3 of them..)

[Jefe]

Wonder if I should get this at BC, kinda reluctant because I didn't even finish FF12 ;o

It should defnitely be more entertaining than the original... and probably harder cus you'll end up using all 6 characters instead of just using 3 for the entire game (i'm sure different boss fights/situations will call for different jobs, and since each char can only have 1 job throughout the course of an entire gameplay, having 6 different jobs would give you the edge over only using 3 of them..)

Wait, so you can use all 6 at the same time (just woke up lol). In the previous you could rotate all, hence, use all six... Anyways, I read some descriptions at BC and the whole text is in jap, which is meh ;x (unless I read it wrong since I just woke up o.O

Exo, you stole that avatar from BC :O Btw, the dude there was holding a big ass lollipop and confused it with the iron. God that show was so funny 8D

[Niiro]

I don't think the new system is really gonna force you to use the different characters/jobs, you can pretty much beat the game using a couple melees and a healer.

Like FFXI with half the PT space.

[Exoduso]

Wonder if I should get this at BC, kinda reluctant because I didn't even finish FF12 ;o

It should defnitely be more entertaining than the original... and probably harder cus you'll end up using all 6 characters instead of just using 3 for the entire game (i'm sure different boss fights/situations will call for different jobs, and since each char can only have 1 job throughout the course of an entire gameplay, having 6 different jobs would give you the edge over only using 3 of them..)

Wait, so you can use all 6 at the same time (just woke up lol). In the previous you could rotate all, hence, use all six... Anyways, I read some descriptions at BC and the whole text is in jap, which is meh ;x (unless I read it wrong since I just woke up o.O

Exo, you stole that avatar from BC :O Btw, the dude there was holding a big ass lollipop and confused it with the iron. God that show was so funny 8D

lol yup I did, but it's funny.

And you can't use all 6 at the same time... I just meant that you might need a job here and there and it could help you to switch those chars in for certain situations.

[Julian]

Actually, you can use 4 at a time now, and there are 8 characters <.< (Well, actually, I'm not too sure, we were told Larsa and that other guy were gonna be able to join your party, but it might just be meaning we can control guests now, idk :/)

They also commented on this being an "easy mode" version as you can make money a lot easier, and such.

[Exoduso]

Um, you could make money pretty easily in the original version too lol.

[Sonomaa]

ok, somebody splain to me in detail what I need to buy to play this

I have an old style ps2, I have the network adapter but havent plugged a hard drive into it, not willing to do mod chip because I fail at burning stuff, or is there some place I can ship my ps2 to to get a chip installed easily and safely

[Exoduso]

Buy swap magic 3.6 with a flip top(easier than the slide tool, even though it works just as well -- it just ruins your drive in the long run..)... easy to install, you simply have to switch a cd in before playing your import/burned backup, and it works like a charm.

[Admo]

$100 to play one imported game I basically already have... hmmm...

[Exoduso]

Or download it from BC? >.>

[Jefe]

Or download it from BC? >.>

Err, I read that is not compatible with HDL, so the other option is to burn it ;o

[Helpoemer]

if you didn't play through the original JP version of this game, you'll have a hard time understanding the new boards lol

i'll get a video up soon and a few pics

[Fayttt]

Is it possible to just get a torrent of swapmagic & burn it to a dvd for ps2 to read? Or no? >_>

[Exoduso]

I don't think it works that way..

[Helpoemer]

ok wtf

this is just impossible, feggin 2nd demon wall is much harder (the one you have to kill to get past)

these jobs make it that much more difficult D:

Dragoon
Knight
White Mage
=/

fast paced mode is funny as hell though

EDIT: Mist Knacks (quickenings) don't use MP now, it's like previous FFs like 10 where there's up to four bars

[Exoduso]

How do you use the quickenings now then?

And lol @ dragoon, can you jump and stuff?

[Helpoemer]

not sure, i haven't done the whole license board yet, but you probably can

quickenings (Mist Knacks)

you know that overdrive bar in FFX? it's kinda like that, but it goes up to four bars (no there's no 4th MK) which fills as you take damage

[Exoduso]

Eww, that's kind of stupid.. mine just finished downloading this morning, i'll burn it when I get home and give it a shot.

[Catrina]

FFX international was in english and released in europe because SE fucked up and took ages to give them the game, so to make it up to the europeans they gave them the international version.. any other international/remake since then has been with english voices and jp text, and was only released in Japan.


I'd say it was more like...."since we took this long, we might as well translate the more recent version". Before FFX, as a rule, other than FF games, neither Square nor Enix even bother releasing anything here (no CT, CC, VP, etc, we didn't even get any Square game on the SNES other than Secret of Mana). Europe wasn't considered a RPG market, and in a way, still isn't. Also the mandatory translations to the local language that many countries, namely France, demand, doesn't make Europe an appealing market for text-heavy games.

[Huggo]

My friend just imported a Japanese PS2, it cost him about $200 after shipping and handling, so now we're all just kinda waiting to see what games he'll import next. He's already picked up Super Robo Wars Alpha 2 and Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix + I'm not sure if he'll pick FFXII intl or not.

Most ppl reading are probably thinking "Fuck spending $200 bucks to import a JP PS2." But if anyone was curious, that's about what it cost. Each game shipped was about $70-$80 after shipping.

[Exoduso]

Buy swap magic 3.6 for 30 bucks w/ a slidetool/fliptop if its a fat ps2, magic keys 2 if it's slim, and then just download from BC...much much cheaper, and since they don't want you to buy it anyways (and are pretty clear about it since they're keeping it in JP), why pay for it?

[Admo]

Buy swap magic 3.6 for 30 bucks w/ a slidetool/fliptop if its a fat ps2, magic keys 2 if it's slim, and then just download from BC...much much cheaper, and since they don't want you to buy it anyways (and are pretty clear about it since they're keeping it in JP), why pay for it?
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this BC you speak of?

[Exoduso]

http://www.blackcats-games.net

[Elcura]

So are there any unique moves/animations? I'd like to see some vids of gameplay of the new moves and jobs. Hopefully there are new spells as well. What happened to Ultima in FFXII, I don't recall seeing it.

[Neosutra]

So are there any unique moves/animations? I'd like to see some vids of gameplay of the new moves and jobs. Hopefully there are new spells as well. What happened to Ultima in FFXII, I don't recall seeing it.

I think Scathe was the closest thing to ultima. Which was a pretty bad ass spell.

[Exoduso]

Did FF9/10 even have Ultima? The last one I remember is FF8's.

[Elcura]

9 and 10 did. 9 couldn't be used by your party though, Trance Kuja used it as a way to pretty much end the fight (twice iirc). 10 it was normal magic obtainable by everyone.

[Exoduso]

Hm yeah you're right Trance Kuja did use it, but only once the battle is over (which KOs your entire party, then leads to the next cutscene right before the "hi guyz!" fight with Necron..)

As far as FFX goes I still have a hard time remembering it, but it's towards the end of Lulu's area on the sphere grid right? (with all the other high-end spells like Flare etc.) .. I'm pretty sure I remember an enemy in the path to Zanarkand/Zanarkand Ruins using Ultima on me (one of the flans?)

[Neosutra]

Hm yeah you're right Trance Kuja did use it, but only once the battle is over (which KOs your entire party, then leads to the next cutscene right before the "hi guyz!" fight with Necron..)

As far as FFX goes I still have a hard time remembering it, but it's towards the end of Lulu's area on the sphere grid right? (with all the other high-end spells like Flare etc.) .. I'm pretty sure I remember an enemy in the path to Zanarkand/Zanarkand Ruins using Ultima on me (one of the flans?)


After i got "damage breaker" and started hitting for like 30,000 on a normal hit, i stopped casting magic.

[Elcura]

Hm yeah you're right Trance Kuja did use it, but only once the battle is over (which KOs your entire party, then leads to the next cutscene right before the "hi guyz!" fight with Necron..)

As far as FFX goes I still have a hard time remembering it, but it's towards the end of Lulu's area on the sphere grid right? (with all the other high-end spells like Flare etc.) .. I'm pretty sure I remember an enemy in the path to Zanarkand/Zanarkand Ruins using Ultima on me (one of the flans?)

Yeah, it should be right at the end of Lulu's path. Lots of enemies cast it, Flans are one of the more common ones to cast it. Nemesis also casts it a lot too.

[Rysa]

IIRC Ultima in FFX was in the central portion of the sphere grid, very near to where Khimari starts out.

[Exoduso]

IIRC Ultima in FFX was in the central portion of the sphere grid, very near to where Khimari starts out.

But blocked via a lv4 lock or something wasn't it?

[Charla]

4 level 4 locks, 3 of which you have to open to get it.

Shaped like

enter here
-4-
| |
4 U 4
| | |
-4-

Wow, ASCII art is harder than it looks. And apparently I'm the biggest dork in the thread.

edit: Ultima in 12 got turned into an optional esper, which was both cool and lame at the same time. The reverse effect on holyja made it an interesting fight, but she's just as useless as the rest of the espers when you get her. The limit break is pretty at least.

[Exoduso]

Ahhhh I remember it.

And yeah, too bad FF12 espers suck ass, cus Exodus(Exdeath) was pretty awesome. :P

[Neosutra]

Ahhhh I remember it.

And yeah, too bad FF12 espers suck ass, cus Exodus(Exdeath) was pretty awesome. :P


I kind of just viewed the espers as a fun toy for beauty, where the best part of them was the fight to get them. Some were a joke, but some were fucking insane (due to my lvl at the time and just being hard). Accidently walking into an esper fight will always wake you up, especially when your running from a train of killer mobs in the first place.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, run run, like 40 mobs are chasing me.
Whew, a zone.
Wow a Cutscene.

Oh shit.

[Huggo]

Ahhhh I remember it.

And yeah, too bad FF12 espers suck ass, cus Exodus(Exdeath) was pretty awesome. :P


I kind of just viewed the espers as a fun toy for beauty, where the best part of them was the fight to get them. Some were a joke, but some were fucking insane (due to my lvl at the time and just being hard). Accidently walking into an esper fight will always wake you up, especially when your running from a train of killer mobs in the first place.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, run run, like 40 mobs are chasing me.
Whew, a zone.
Wow a Cutscene.

Oh shit.

Yeah, Espers totally aren't worth it at all. In my file whoever is holding the tournesol just multihits a shitload of times for 9999 or close to it, ashe nukes anything that moves for 9999, and my tank-like guy just hits for about 7000 or so. Why would I switch all of that out so that Ultima can come in cast holyja at the end of her little rampage for 9999?

[sephir]

at least they were fun fights. Totally useless and mostly unecessary, but fun.

[Niiro]

Espers were only good for stealing High Arcana from and getting the Empyreal Soul and Gem Steel from Montblanc.

(I think those were the things he gave you, been a while)

[Admo]

http://www.blackcats-games.netLooks like I need to sign up to do anything and the registration limit is hit. Anyone want to lend me their info? :D

[Tekki]

So let me get this straight. The JP version of this game has JP menu and commands with an English title screen and C/Ss?

Does the EU version have English menus/CS/commands?

Im wanting to play this game but do not understand Japanese at all... Am I SOL?

[Kaylia]

After i got "damage breaker" and started hitting for like 30,000 on a normal hit, i stopped casting magic.
Need ultima against that giant ooze mobs in arena that drop +4magic sphere thing. Well, dunno if there was faster strategy, but casting ultima 10 times was the best I found.

[Julian]

So let me get this straight. The JP version of this game has JP menu and commands with an English title screen and C/Ss?

Does the EU version have English menus/CS/commands?

Im wanting to play this game but do not understand Japanese at all... Am I SOL?

Yes, you are.

FFX-International only has an English option because supposedly the international version was also released in Europe because the original X wasn't released there, so they went ahead and just gave them the international version. (Kinda like how we in the US got the Director's Cut version of SO3, after all those freaking delays)

So, it's not happening. At least any time soon.

[Cesaria]

Yup Europe got the international FFX cos we got shafted and had to wait like forever for it to come out over here - so they figured they may as well throw in the other stuff (like dark aeons that pop up and eat you when you're innocently collecting stuff for the monster arena... I wondered why my boyfriend was smirking when I took that turning - git).