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Kimiko
04-08-2009, 07:33 PM
Initial test results

Recast timer penality = 25%
Buff duration bonus = 3x normal (yes you read that right... TRIPLE duration)

New White Mage spells can be bought from Brave Ox in Rabao. We're still working on finding the Red Mage enspell II's.

Tempyst
04-08-2009, 07:34 PM
BUT

WHAT IF YOU CAN'T CANCEL IT

AND THE RECAST IS DOUBLED

AND YOU ONLY GET A FIVE SECOND DURATION BONUS

Wolfknight
04-08-2009, 07:37 PM
New White Mage spells can be bought from Brave Ox in Rabao. We're still working on finding the Red Mage enspell II's.
how much were they each cheap or decent amount, and try nashmau for rdm stuff, I'd like to check but lollev is down

Keria
04-08-2009, 07:38 PM
about 170k for all 4

Norrissnake
04-08-2009, 07:39 PM
norg ofr enspells

pchan
04-08-2009, 07:39 PM
you can click it off, noone but idiots doubted it.

Maksudyst
04-08-2009, 07:40 PM
Where in norg?? I checked every NPC

Sylvrdragon
04-08-2009, 07:42 PM
Since they weren't found right off the bat, I'm gonna assume POIDH for RDM spells.

Sho
04-08-2009, 07:43 PM
Starting to think it's a drop offa pots now.

Avarice
04-08-2009, 07:43 PM
Failwiki says Enthunder II dropped from a Hover Tank in Uggalpih. Any confirmation on this? I'm headed there myself to also check into it.

Callisto
04-08-2009, 07:45 PM
Not available at vendors in any city that I checked, and checked pretty much all.

Edit: checked Norg/Al Zhabi/Whitegate/Sandy/Windy/Bastok/Nashmau

Auspice
04-08-2009, 07:50 PM
I checked Selbina, Mhaura, Port Sandy, and Whitegate :(

TummieGaruda
04-08-2009, 07:51 PM
Hover Tanks, Temple of Ugglapeih for Enthunder II. IM heading there right now

Auspice
04-08-2009, 07:52 PM
Hover Tanks, Temple of Ugglapeih for Enthunder II. IM heading there right now

Same; I'm almost there to verify

Infini
04-08-2009, 07:54 PM
Checkin myself here ill post a SS to confirm if its true or not

Wolfknight
04-08-2009, 07:55 PM
I checked Selbina, Mhaura, Port Sandy, and Whitegate :(
anyone checked Mamaroon - BGWiki (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mamaroon) he seems like possible to sell them.

Callisto
04-08-2009, 07:56 PM
anyone checked Mamaroon - BGWiki (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mamaroon) he seems like possible to sell them.

Yeah, not there.

Evildemon
04-08-2009, 08:03 PM
LS mate just 1/1 on Enthuder 2 off of a hovertank.

AzazaelFenrir
04-08-2009, 08:04 PM
too lazy to crop 1/5

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/azazael13/FFXI/ffxi_20090408_205857.jpg

Avarice
04-08-2009, 08:06 PM
If that's the case, I imagine the Magic Pots in Upper Delkfutt's drop some variant Enspell II as well.

nitsuj
04-08-2009, 08:07 PM
*hopeful that WHM spells drop somewhere too *

Avarice
04-08-2009, 08:10 PM
Unlikely, sadly.

Talus
04-08-2009, 08:22 PM
I tried some Magic Pots in Upper Delkfutt. THF75, TH3, no drops other than red mage test, seals and magic pot shards. Not to say it doesn't drop there though, I gave up. I'm heading to uglypeople.

Callisto
04-08-2009, 08:34 PM
Fucking retarded...now we get to figure out what mobs drop and fight for pops against RMT and 50 RDMs...putting them in a vendor was really too much?

Sho
04-08-2009, 08:35 PM
Got one from a Hover after about 4 kills or so; get a THF.

Khamsin
04-08-2009, 08:36 PM
So both times, it was Enthunder II that dropped. Can it drop the other enspells, or will we have to find some other mob somewhere for that?

Callisto
04-08-2009, 08:38 PM
Anyone check weapons in Sky?

Artemas
04-08-2009, 08:40 PM
I tried some Magic Pots in Upper Delkfutt. THF75, TH3, no drops other than red mage test, seals and magic pot shards. Not to say it doesn't drop there though, I gave up. I'm heading to uglypeople.


I also tried some Pots in Upper Delkfutt. Didn't see anything unusual.
Went 1/1 on a Hover Tank in Ugg with Th4.

Drex
04-08-2009, 08:41 PM
killin sky pots atm but no th :( 0/a lot so far, only got thunder 4 and a rdm testy

Callisto
04-08-2009, 08:46 PM
High-end RDM mobs off the top of my head:

Hover Tanks
Ruby Quadav
Weapons @ Sky

Belgaer
04-08-2009, 08:46 PM
So how much DMG does Enthunder II do, people? Stop posting that you got it, when it's already been confirmed, and say something useful. XD

Avarice
04-08-2009, 08:46 PM
0/8 so far on Enthunder II from Hover Pots. No TH though, so expected.

Edit: Well the thread title does say "locations." *shrug*

AzazaelFenrir
04-08-2009, 08:47 PM
There was a reason I didn't post the damage ><

it wasn't worth getting excited about. just a little bit higher than tier 1

Tempyst
04-08-2009, 08:48 PM
So how much DMG does Enthunder II do, people? Stop posting that you got it, when it's already been confirmed, and say something useful. XD

Not that it means much but post on Alla says 26-34 on pots

Keep in mind that this doesn't mention any gear, the increasing damage aspect, and it's on a monster with MDB

Curious to see what a RDM specifically geared for enspells could do with these

Belgaer
04-08-2009, 08:48 PM
Yes, but give us numbers here (as well as numbers for your typical enspell 1 damage), please. >.<

Callisto
04-08-2009, 08:49 PM
Yeah pots get 50% TMDA(they have RDM MDB too but that doesn't affect enspells).

Flarega
04-08-2009, 08:51 PM
Try bones maybe for enblizzard 2? I remember bones from KRT always dropping high level blizzard spells. Could be a possibility.

Ahlah
04-08-2009, 08:53 PM
More concern about the element resist down effect, can only test it in ballista?

Enthunder II is probably the most useful enspell, glad ppl already know where to find it.

Callisto
04-08-2009, 08:53 PM
Those are BLM so I doubt it, but LSmate is checking Doom Mages atm.

chiyio
04-08-2009, 08:54 PM
Reliable hints on where you may find the following spells
Enaero II off Yagudo Prelates
Enstone II off Orcish Warlord/Hexspinner, and various BLM Antica.
Enwater II off Sapphire Quadav, Tonberry Pontifex, and Bistre-hearted Malberry
Enblizzard II off Doom Warlock and Spartoi Sorcerer and Taxim
Enfire II off Dread Demon, Million Eyes and Hakutaku

This knowledge is based on where Enthunder II was found, unless theyre drops from xxNM's.


I guess I fail :(

LinktheDeme
04-08-2009, 08:59 PM
does multi hit weapons still work with earlier enspell tier 1? Does it still work with souleater? Does it still work with blood weapon?

How much acc does the ability add only 10 I'd assume?

Sho
04-08-2009, 09:01 PM
Someone is sparking about Enstone II offa pots in Ro'Meave, going there now.

five
04-08-2009, 09:02 PM
enstone 2 pots in ro'maeve

someone posted on alla
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv288/darkhelmet5527/ffxi_20090408_214221.png

AzazaelFenrir
04-08-2009, 09:03 PM
2 down for us

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/azazael13/FFXI/ffxi_20090408_215533.jpg

TummieGaruda
04-08-2009, 09:06 PM
Enstone, Ro Meave pots nice..

Flarega
04-08-2009, 09:07 PM
Nice, probably high RDM mobs then. Should disregard the high level bones suggestion.

Shadowscythe
04-08-2009, 09:09 PM
Enblizzard II comes off Onyx Quadavs in Grauberg. No screenshot but I'm 2/3 already.

AzazaelFenrir
04-08-2009, 09:15 PM
Enblizzard II comes off Onyx Quadavs in Grauberg. No screenshot but I'm 2/3 already.

good, get a ss next time :)

LinktheDeme
04-08-2009, 09:18 PM
Enblizzard II comes off Onyx Quadavs in Grauberg. No screenshot but I'm 2/3 already.

Taisai drops refresh true story

AzazaelFenrir
04-08-2009, 09:21 PM
From the no SS file, a RDM in LS said Enaero II was in Grarbage Shitadel.

Shenrien
04-08-2009, 09:29 PM
Taisai drops refresh true story

QFT

Valient
04-08-2009, 09:31 PM
Enthunder II: Hover Tank Temple of Ugg (SS'd, Confirmed)
Enfire II: Dorma Fei'Yen (SS)
Enblizzard II: Onyx Qudav (no SS)
Enstone II: Magic Flagon: Ro'Maeve (SS'd, Confirmed)
Enaero II: Pots in Garlaige Citadel (SS)
Enwater II: ???

Per Alla

EOL

Talus
04-08-2009, 09:36 PM
2/4 on Enthunder II in uglypeople. Got one then RDM50 asked for help. Next Hover Tank dropped. TH3 so drop rate is pretty good on these I'm thinking. Wondering if I should just AH instead of using... lol

Hellfury
04-08-2009, 09:42 PM
0/5 on the onyx in grauberg, going to try a little longer, but everything points to pots somewhere

Shadowscythe
04-08-2009, 09:44 PM
Get farming Taisai for refresh then guys!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/Shadowscythestorage1/ffxi_20090409_0335.jpg

Hanyoko
04-08-2009, 09:44 PM
I can confirm the enfire II from Droma (as well as enthunder II but thats been done)

Araius
04-08-2009, 09:52 PM
1/2 on Enblizzard II with RDM/THF. Testing now. Confirmed 2nd hit on Joyeuse does not proc Enspell. Started at 22 damage (same as my regular enspell), damage increased by 1 each hit til it capped at 41. After 6 minute duration (with Composure) damage decreased to 37. Still testing

Zorax
04-08-2009, 09:54 PM
Esuna drops off Gob Alchemists in Terrigan. Got it on first kill with TH3.

Avarice
04-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Esuna drops off Gob Alchemists in Terrigan. Got it on first kill with TH3.

POIDH

Araius
04-08-2009, 10:07 PM
Enspell II doesn't proc on offhand hit with Dual Wield

QQ

Raineer
04-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Enspell II doesn't proc on offhand hit with Dual Wield

QQ

I posted this in the initial RDM MELEE ZOMG thread, but I'm too lazy to quote myself.

Knew it when they said "further hits by same character"

Fuck...

Isiolia
04-08-2009, 10:10 PM
Damage starts at 20, goes up by 1 per hit to 34 (with 301 Enhancing). Is per cast, not per mob.

Hellfury
04-08-2009, 10:13 PM
yet another confirmation

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/hellfury12/e73bbe36.png

Unless there is some extra magic accuracy component to it, this doesn't seem all that interesting for joytoy and/or dualwield . Hope there is some additional source for this though, not a lot of onyx quadavs

Amastacia
04-08-2009, 10:21 PM
Damage starts at 20, goes up by 1 per hit to 34 (with 301 Enhancing). Is per cast, not per mob.

Same with 293.

Qeomash
04-08-2009, 10:21 PM
Mine capped at 36 damage a hit with 299 skill...

Araius
04-08-2009, 10:26 PM
I have Hollow so I cheated :o

Isiolia
04-08-2009, 10:28 PM
I've seen it do 36 on some mob types, 34 on others.

Amastacia
04-08-2009, 10:31 PM
I was whacking on a doll (no magic resist) on a neutral day.

Zorax
04-08-2009, 10:42 PM
POIDH

Jeez, you made me go get another. First kill again, so it looks like a pretty common drop:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ed_dog89/esuna.gif

Nicostrato
04-08-2009, 10:45 PM
A few JP Red Mages farming Emerald Quadav's in Rolanberry(S) but nothing confirmed, and they have helpers to claim.

Amastacia
04-08-2009, 10:48 PM
So someone reported doing 20 -> 34 damage Enspells with just capped Enhancing, no gear.

Same occurred at 293 and 301... could it be that Enhancing is either not a component or plateau'd so hard that it's moot?

Araius
04-08-2009, 11:02 PM
I've always been a fan of enspells and RDM soloing, but even as such, this really blows, SE. It takes almost a full minute to reach a cap damage of, best-case scanario, somewhere in the low 40's. I can get to the low to mid 20's with regular enspell, AND it procs on my Joyeuse and offhands. With Joyeuse and /NIN, regular enspells are superior to enspell II, not counting the elemental resistance.

Speaking of which, tested the elemental weakness thing several times on some TW gobs. Forgive me if this is known already, but it was not affecting the damage dealt with my nukes whatsoever. 201 damage with Fire II before Enblizzard II proc, same damage afterward, same gear, etc etc. Might affect resists (i.e. Death Blossom) so that needs further testing but..bleh.

On the plus side, all Joyeuse-less RDM soloers who never sub NIN should be happy...

I'm curious, though not at all optimistic, as to how resist rates are on higher level mobs with these. That could turn out to be it's one saving grace. For example hitting...for example..Kirin with a Death Blossom and an Enstone II, then casting Enaero II...if you could consistently churn out 30+ enspell damage per hit that way, then awesome. But again, chances of that being the case are...probably nonexistent.

Raineer
04-08-2009, 11:05 PM
That's what we needed to know, Araius. It affects only resistance and not the mobs MDB.

Thanks for the bad news ;p

Araius
04-08-2009, 11:09 PM
I do what I can :p Blame SE, not me :( Going to bed/crying myself to sleep now, have fun.

Kychuli
04-08-2009, 11:15 PM
Idk why you guys are only getting 34-36 dmg per hit, I have exactly 300 enhancing. Hits started out at 20 and steadily increased until 40

weird

Isiolia
04-09-2009, 12:15 AM
May have to play around with it more then, see if there's another mod than the older Enspells worked with.

Vail
04-09-2009, 12:25 AM
May have to play around with it more then, see if there's another mod than the older Enspells worked with.

sounds like most of you have been using sword, anyone try dagger (I have an idea that delay may effect it, gonna go try with blau vs joy)

Alman
04-09-2009, 12:50 AM
Got info from other wiki, went to check it out,
In Yuhtunga Jungle
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/alman00/img_20090408_232326.png
In Sea Serpent Grotto
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/alman00/img_20090408_232805.png

other wiki also says,
Auspice drops from Yagudo Abbot in Castle Oztroja
Esuna drops from Lagoon Sahagin in Sea Serpent Grotto
Sacrifice drops from Goblin Alchemist in Kuftal Tunnel and Gustav Tunnel

Enwater II drops from Emerald Quadav in Rolanberry Fields (S)
Plus all the other RDM spells we know so far are there.

Vail
04-09-2009, 12:59 AM
ok well, doing some test, delay has no effect on the damage (so can rule that out)

an odd thing I noticed was... if I kept my full enhancing gear on I would go up to 41 damage (saur[S] beetles) (hollow earring 290 enhancing) but if I took my enhancing gear off I would drop down to 39 damage

290 [38 damage] (hollow earring factored out of all these)
275 [36 damage]
260 [36 damage]

also to note: the damage seems to go up 2 per tier (starting damage and max damage are double so... if we just figure out the starting damage)

we're looking at
260-275 [19]
?-290-? [20]
haven't tried my full 300 build it's in storage etc.

need a lower level rdm or level sync to really test out the numbers

it looks very similiar to the normal enspell damage (before the added to double damage comes into play)

added a note I put up above but bolding it so people see (cause it sucks and it's bullshit imho)
enspell II damage calculates your enhancing skill each swing for it's damage. AKA you have to keep your enhancing skill on for max enspell damage, but if you take it off you remove acc/haste/etc gear

Lutia
04-09-2009, 01:17 AM
http://www.gley.net/ffxi/enwater2.jpg

Rolanberry Fields [S]

Callisto
04-09-2009, 05:02 AM
This really is fucking retarded, spent the last hour fighting for claims on Onyx Quadavs with several gimps trying to make a quick buck off of them, I'm the only person here that even has RDM over 45. Are there more spawn spots than J-5 for Onyx Quadavs?

Tempyst
04-09-2009, 05:24 AM
This really is fucking retarded, spent the last hour fighting for claims on Onyx Quadavs with several gimps trying to make a quick buck off of them, I'm the only person here that even has RDM over 45. Are there more spawn spots than J-5 for Onyx Quadavs?

Go to bed you jerk

Callisto
04-09-2009, 05:35 AM
Hey it's early in the morning, I'm awake like a responsible person.

Edit: also 6/6 get



jerk

Tempyst
04-09-2009, 05:56 AM
Hey it's early in the morning, I'm awake like a responsible person.

Edit: also 6/6 get



jerk

let's see some full decked out enhancing sword shenanigans

Callisto
04-09-2009, 06:00 AM
Working on that now, sitting in U.Range with ESword/Hollow/Fencer's Ring/Ice Obi and yellow health, waiting on day to change over and double weather to start back up.

Callisto
04-09-2009, 06:27 AM
k just dicking around for lulz to see what I could cap it out at, 300 skill + junk I listed above:

http://slashangry.net/%7Ecallisto/ENTUNDAR.png

Normal without all the junk/day/weather using just Joy/Hollow I think I capped at something like 34...so roughly 1.5x the damage of my Enspell 1's(usually do 23 with 300 skill + Hollow, you miss out on enspell procs for something around 33% of your Joyeuse swings...I'm no mathologist but I think that puts it about even with the tier 1's damage-wise while damage is capped(assuming you use Joy or Justice and aren't DW), so uhhh I would guess T2 when you specifically want the resistance down effects or are using a non-DA weapon/subjob, and T1 when you are looking purely for damage and using Joy/Justice/DW?

Classikmage
04-09-2009, 06:28 AM
Got info from other wiki, went to check it out,
In Yuhtunga Jungle
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/alman00/img_20090408_232326.png
In Sea Serpent Grotto
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/alman00/img_20090408_232805.png

other wiki also says,
Auspice drops from Yagudo Abbot in Castle Oztroja
Esuna drops from Lagoon Sahagin in Sea Serpent Grotto
Sacrifice drops from Goblin Alchemist in Kuftal Tunnel and Gustav Tunnel

Enwater II drops from Emerald Quadav in Rolanberry Fields (S)
Plus all the other RDM spells we know so far are there.

Dammit, I just spent around 170k~ on those damn spells in Rabao.....

-. -

Tempyst
04-09-2009, 07:07 AM
k just dicking around for lulz to see what I could cap it out at, 300 skill + junk I listed above:

http://slashangry.net/%7Ecallisto/ENTUNDAR.png

Normal without all the junk/day/weather using just Joy/Hollow I think I capped at something like 34...so roughly 1.5x the damage of my Enspell 1's(usually do 23 with 300 skill + Hollow, you miss out on enspell procs for something around 33% of your Joyeuse swings...I'm no mathologist but I think that puts it about even with the tier 1's damage-wise while damage is capped(assuming you use Joy or Justice and aren't DW), so uhhh I would guess T2 when you specifically want the resistance down effects or are using a non-DA weapon/subjob, and T1 when you are looking purely for damage and using Joy/Justice/DW?

Is that with enhancing gear kept on? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned it recalculates based on your enhancing after every proc

Araius
04-09-2009, 07:32 AM
enspell II damage calculates your enhancing skill each swing for it's damage. AKA you have to keep your enhancing skill on for max enspell damage, but if you take it off you remove acc/haste/etc gear

This has got to be a bug. Please tell me this is a bug.

Zorax
04-09-2009, 08:05 AM
Found this in Beadeaux. So far nothing off the Emeralds, and no drop off the one Sapphire I killed.

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ed_dog89/auspice.gif

Zorax
04-09-2009, 08:50 AM
And another:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ed_dog89/Cura.gif

Devolver
04-09-2009, 09:10 AM
For what its worth, I can +1 Enaero in the Citadel basement, off the pots.

Zorax
04-09-2009, 09:18 AM
Guess that's it for Beadeaux. Forgot the Saphires were BLM, so nevermind about them. And the Emeralds are too low for Enwater II.

pchan
04-09-2009, 10:31 AM
The 'lower resistance" from enspells is shit ; I didn't conduct an extended test, but was just trying to see if it was a big boost by silencing pudding after a few swings. Typically, with my best gear i get 10% success (this is very accurate, 1k sample size), with enstoneII no silence proc'ed out of 13 tries (yes only) making this essentially useless ... since the only use of it would be slowing/paralyzing extremly resistant shit ..

Nicostrato
04-09-2009, 11:49 AM
I had a good feeling it was Emeralds after seeing those ppl farming them like crazy.

oldoldman
04-09-2009, 11:59 AM
The 'lower resistance" from enspells is shit ; I didn't conduct an extended test, but was just trying to see if it was a big boost by silencing pudding after a few swings. Typically, with my best gear i get 10% success (this is very accurate, 1k sample size), with enstoneII no silence proc'ed out of 13 tries (yes only) making this essentially useless ... since the only use of it would be slowing/paralyzing extremly resistant shit ..


Nice sample size bro

Viewpoint
04-09-2009, 12:16 PM
Camping hasn't been too bad for me on RDM spells. The only one I decided to try and come back later on was Enaero II after seeing people hump the shit out of the pots in the corners.

Esvedium
04-09-2009, 12:19 PM
Nice sample size bro

How big was the sample size you tested it on?

Xno Kappa
04-09-2009, 12:32 PM
I love updates like these. People initially buy the scrolls for such a stupid price lol. Makes for an awesome quick gil cow.

Tulun
04-09-2009, 12:36 PM
Enspell 2 = Ceremonial dagger?

Blasta
04-09-2009, 12:37 PM
It didnt seem to matter what weapon i used, i could reach 38dmg with 293 enhancing magic. Someone posted earlier doing 60dmg or so with all possible enhancing gears and weather bonuses.

Enspell II might be worth using with Ceremonial dagger, but then again would you equip Enhancing instead of Haste? What about tougher mobs that have higher evasion, would you use Enhancing or Accuracy gears? Not to mention about the slowly buildin dmg...

Is this spell really worthwhile..?

Ghondi
04-09-2009, 12:44 PM
I so remember farming ninjitsu spells in castle O a long time ago when they went for alot of gill. I guess now people will be farming the hell out of these en-spells II to make some gill selling them on ah for crazy prices. Good ting for lazy people though the more people that farm and sell the spells the chea[er they will become and faster they will become cheaper on ah.

On a side Note Mobs like cactrot Rapedo in desert you kill with nothing but en-spells when you solo shouldnt take as long now lol.

Darkyrm
04-09-2009, 12:46 PM
With that kind of damage, no activation either on dualwield or additional hits and having to wear the enhacing each hit...

... Ill take my haste+dualwield+enspell1 soloing as Rdm/Nin (which is when I use en-spells) thank you.

Blasta
04-09-2009, 01:16 PM
On a side Note Mobs like cactrot Rapedo in desert you kill with nothing but en-spells when you solo shouldnt take as long now lol.

I have killed rapido like 50+ times, you dont enspell it really. Critical hit is almost garanteed 1dmg or more even with Mahatma armors. You use only poison to kill it, which takes around 1h.

Callisto
04-09-2009, 01:37 PM
Is that with enhancing gear kept on? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned it recalculates based on your enhancing after every proc

That's a load of crap, I cast in my enhancing then melee'd in all haste minus the Fencer's/Hyorin and damage stayed up where it should be.


The 'lower resistance" from enspells is shit ; I didn't conduct an extended test, but was just trying to see if it was a big boost by silencing pudding after a few swings. Typically, with my best gear i get 10% success (this is very accurate, 1k sample size), with enstoneII no silence proc'ed out of 13 tries (yes only) making this essentially useless ... since the only use of it would be slowing/paralyzing extremly resistant shit ..

That's exactly what I can't wait to use it for, I already use Death Blossom to open on things like Sky gods, it goes a long way towards landing Slow on Byakko and sticking solid Silences on Suzaku, the last time we did one I silenced him during the full duration of Chainspell, making things like that even easier will be fantastic imo

Day
04-09-2009, 01:38 PM
I have killed rapido like 50+ times, you dont enspell it really. Critical hit is almost garanteed 1dmg or more even with Mahatma armors. You use only poison to kill it, which takes around 1h.
All this time and I freaking knew there was only one way to skin a cat.

Damn you Daddy, you lied to me!

Mahman
04-09-2009, 01:47 PM
It didnt seem to matter what weapon i used, i could reach 38dmg with 293 enhancing magic. Someone posted earlier doing 60dmg or so with all possible enhancing gears and weather bonuses.

Enspell II might be worth using with Ceremonial dagger, but then again would you equip Enhancing instead of Haste? What about tougher mobs that have higher evasion, would you use Enhancing or Accuracy gears? Not to mention about the slowly buildin dmg...

Is this spell really worthwhile..?

Don't write the spell off yet. You should really do your own testing. It's not as great as it could be because it will not proc on 2nd Joyeuse hit, but the math suggests (in conservative estimates) that Tier II Enspells may be worth it.

Well... my version of "the math" anyway. I'm assuming the base formula is the same for the calculation of damage and that TierII then just increments up to a new cap. I haven't gotten a chance to test myself yet, but this math is based on everything I've read so far..

Assuming no weather bonus no day bonus and 256 skill. I'm only adding up the add.effect damage.
((256 / 20) + 5) * 1.00 = 17.8

Say 100 attack rounds.
45% DA from Joyeuse

100*17.8 + 45*17.8 = 1780 + 801 = 2581 add.effect from Tier 1 Enspell

For Tier II en-spell I'm gonna assume the calculation is the same
((256 / 20) + 5) * 1.00 = 17.8

But the damage increases to a cap so..
17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30 (we'll assume it's 30 but it certainly seems you can hit a higher cap) = 329dmg
30*22 for next 22 hits = 660dmg ( 22 attack rounds at cap taken from EnthunderII page on ffxiclopedia. Not sure what affects how long you stay at the cap)
next 14 you recast and rebuild to cap = 329dmg
next 22 = 660dmg
next 14 = 329dmg
next 22 = 660dmg

Sum total = 2967 in additional effect damage. for Tier 2 enspell. I gave this an extra 8 attack rounds (14+22+14+22+14+22 = 108 ). so let me add that to the first scenario.
8*17.8 = 142.4 (8 attack rounds)
+ 3*17.8 = 53.4 (45% double attack)
= 195.8 added to the 2581 = 2776.8 add.effect damage for Tier 1 enspell


TO LONG DIDN"T READ???
So Tier II w/ Joyeuse adds 2967
Tier I w/ Joyeuse adds 2776.8

I think my math approach makes sense, but let me know if I failed to consider something. I'm only comparing the damage from additional effects on a neutral day with neutral weather and assuming that the base formula is the same. Reasonable enhancing skill, etc.

As more information comes, this math could be refined, but take it for what it's worth (or isn't worth). Give TierII a chance!

Alphavision
04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Assumptions:
1 weapon dmg == 1 enspell dmg
100% accuracy
no attack / fSTR effects
no haste
dual wield + suppa where applicable.

http://sites.google.com/site/alpha1471/_/rsrc/1239304095434/test/enspell1.JPG
http://sites.google.com/site/alpha1471/_/rsrc/1239301078006/test/enspell2.JPG

Dimmauk
04-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Garuda dagger off hand not so bad with Enspell IIs.

Esvedium
04-09-2009, 03:19 PM
Assumptions:
1 weapon dmg == 1 enspell dmg
100% accuracy
no attack / fSTR effects
no haste
dual wield + suppa where applicable.


If those are right, time to dust off the old Hornetneedle. :D

Callisto
04-09-2009, 03:32 PM
Just whacked some spiders outside of Whitegate and got entirely different looking results than I did last night. The T2 cap seemed higher, the initial damage seemed lower, the Enhancing Gear part does in fact seem to be true unless I was getting partial resists.

I linked half the damn zone so had to bail out, and time for ACP missions with LS, but I was seeing an initial damage of 18 with a cap of 40 wearing 300 skill on Attercops, neutral day/weather.

Edit: Check the 18, it was 20 initial(same as T1 base), forgot my Enspell macros swap PCC in after cast.

Callisto
04-09-2009, 03:42 PM
Cap with 300 enhancing = 40, cap after swaping to 273 = 36, 258 + hollow = 37

The skill > damage formula seems a bit steeper than T1s.

TummieGaruda
04-09-2009, 05:53 PM
Got Enwater II off Emerald Quadavs in Crawlers Nest [S]. After you teleport in from your nation (Glad we can tele to dungeons now), turn around head thru the wooden door, get around the two bombs and get to where the ledge is. There are Quadavs and Lizards in this room, the lizzies will agro you. Set up camp in one of the little halls. There are only 2 Mobs in this area, but my friend and I were the only ones there. Friend was soloing there for 10 min, I showed up WHM/THF and got drop on the first one that we fought together.

Avarice
04-09-2009, 07:26 PM
Jeez, you made me go get another. First kill again, so it looks like a pretty common drop:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ed_dog89/esuna.gif

A "moved or deleted" image shows nothing.

Araelus
04-09-2009, 09:24 PM
Enspell II doesn't proc on offhand hit with Dual Wield

QQ

Doesn't work on a double attack, either (haven't tested triple attack).

AzazaelFenrir
04-09-2009, 09:43 PM
What are the two pos for the Onyx Quadav in Grauberg?

Araelus
04-09-2009, 10:14 PM
What are the two pos for the Onyx Quadav in Grauberg?

(I-8 / J-8) (J-5/6)

need to have more than TWO MOBS SQUARE DAMMIT

Vail
04-09-2009, 10:49 PM
to the graph above: enhancing sword (and any other +enspell damage equip) doesn't get added to the x2 cap, it's a raw + added to the enspells final value.

so +10 shift on enhancing sword for enspell II is incorrect.

Alphavision
04-10-2009, 09:39 AM
Thank you for the correction.

Ryphen
04-10-2009, 11:24 AM
For those of you that don't want to compete with a million other people for the Enspells, you can buy them from an NPC for about 30k each. Price probably varies a bit.

It's the Mithra by the fountain in Ru'Lude that sells all the buffalo related items. I bet they won't always be available since her stock is dependent on how much stuff people by from her. Price may also be dependent on how much she sells as well.

I expect they'll vanish after the server reset for maintenance, but I won't be around to check.

Vajra
04-10-2009, 01:13 PM
sales reset every game day (when the store opens), so it'll get restocked.

GuntarHolyFlame
04-10-2009, 01:43 PM
For those of you that don't want to compete with a million other people for the Enspells, you can buy them from an NPC for about 30k each. Price probably varies a bit.

It's the Mithra by the fountain in Ru'Lude that sells all the buffalo related items. I bet they won't always be available since her stock is dependent on how much stuff people by from her. Price may also be dependent on how much she sells as well.

I expect they'll vanish after the server reset for maintenance, but I won't be around to check.

Are you referring to Dabih Jajalioh?

Day
04-10-2009, 01:45 PM
This was posted on my ls forums asking if it was a shop so this is the NPC in question:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c273/OmegaVegito/ffxi_20090410_122849.png

TummieGaruda
04-10-2009, 01:45 PM
sales reset every game day (when the store opens), so it'll get restocked.

That particular NPC is different though. She offers different items based on how much people buy from her. I believe the stock items are Uleguerand Milk and Chalaimbille. When people buy a certain amount of those items, she is stocked up with three extra items to buy. I tried to buy milk before maintenance but got R0'd and kicked out.

TummieGaruda
04-10-2009, 02:11 PM
Buffalo meat and Milk Case are only sold during the 2009 New Years event according to Wiki. Can we get some verification on this?

Ethican
04-10-2009, 02:34 PM
myth busted. only sells chalaimbille and uleguerand milk

edit: didn't see the part about resetting inventory. gonna check that.



edit 2: i think it's easier to camp than raise this chicks inventory.

TummieGaruda
04-10-2009, 06:12 PM
I can confirm this. Got spells to pop after buying enough Milk and possibly triggered by a RDM talking to the NPC.


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj249/Tummie_Garuda/enspells.jpg

Shenrien
04-10-2009, 08:05 PM
I can confirm this. Got spells to pop after buying enough Milk and possibly triggered by a RDM talking to the NPC.


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj249/Tummie_Garuda/enspells.jpg

lol and people are paying 60 - 150k for these on my server xD omg!

Sylvrdragon
04-10-2009, 09:12 PM
Sucks to be them. Mine were free.

Ryphen
04-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Yeah, sorry I couldn't follow up answering questions since I was in the middle of moving and didn't get back to my computer until just now.

Looks like you found the NPC, it is Macchi Gazlitah.

And her stock definitely doesn't reset every game day, as was pointed out already. Buying from her definitely has an effect, but there may be other factors as well that influence it.

As the screenshot shows, the wiki is wrong about some items only being offered during the buffalo event. I had taken a screenshot myself, but didn't have the time to upload it before I had to dismantle my computer. Was just trying to get off a quick post before running out the door.

Ethican
04-11-2009, 03:47 AM
ok well there's no real better place to put this, didn't see anything in the other threads about this. enspell2 does not block added effect in offhand attacks when dual weilding. used joy/wing +1. joy was main hand wing off hand. enspell 2 proc and wing proc in same attack round. not the most profound discovery but decent.

Vigilia
04-11-2009, 05:04 AM
I can confirm this. Got spells to pop after buying enough Milk and possibly triggered by a RDM talking to the NPC.


How much would "enough milk" be? 10 stacks didn't do it.

EDIT: Nvm, went back on my 75RDM instead of my Jeuno mule and they were all up for grabs. Time to make some cream puffs from all the milk...

Celebrindor
04-11-2009, 07:25 AM
How much would "enough milk" be? 10 stacks didn't do it.

EDIT: Nvm, went back on my 75RDM instead of my Jeuno mule and they were all up for grabs. Time to make some cream puffs from all the milk...


So, is it difinitive that you are only offered the spells to buy if you are on RDM then? Didn't buy a single milk/etc from NPC, just walked up, and there were the scrolls.

Kkel
04-11-2009, 08:13 AM
So, is it difinitive that you are only offered the spells to buy if you are on RDM then? Didn't buy a single milk/etc from NPC, just walked up, and there were the scrolls.

I ran past her today and checked for the hell of it. I was on DRG at the time. I didn't buy a single thing from her but all the scrolls were available for purchase.

Vigilia
04-11-2009, 09:56 AM
There were less than 15 minutes between me logging the lvl1 mule and then checking the same NPC on Vig, probably someone just went and made a few purchases in the time inbetween to take the NPC over the limit to sell the en-scrolls because now the full list is available to the lvl1 Jeuno mule also. Asura was just slow to go buy some milk I guess.

lolwut
04-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Why buy them? Farming them on Asura was pretty easy (most of the Rdm camping were pretty lol), and there was profit to be made from getting an extra scroll after using the first. I got mine free and made a few hundred k in the space of a few hours.

Oblongs
04-11-2009, 05:38 PM
Didn't know where to post this, and it's not important, really, but when you auto-sort with the new enspells, it puts it at the very bottom of the white magic list. But, in the combined list of all the magic you can use as your current job, it gets put at the bottom even under black magic. Not important, just strange.

Bockage
04-12-2009, 02:41 AM
I ran past her today and checked for the hell of it. I was on DRG at the time. I didn't buy a single thing from her but all the scrolls were available for purchase.

The job you're on doesnt seem to matter. I just got them all as a 75 BLM.

Ker
04-12-2009, 05:20 AM
after doing testing with Composure i have to say for soloing and merit burn isn't bad saves me the mp to refresh and haste myself but still lame ability compaired to whm when i'm only nperson who notice the difference and as for RDM who are buying these Spells for high prices go shoot yourself.

Shin Volcano
04-12-2009, 10:56 AM
They were selling like crack the 1st day on my server.. for 100k each one, when i finnaly went and checked the NPC they were already there....Sucks because i could have made a few mil at this point....that'll learn me to check all NPCS ; ; (no i didn't buy any, i isn't retarded!)

Ophannus
04-12-2009, 01:25 PM
Composure stacks with sneak, my sneak lasted about 18-20 minutes while camping Magic Flagons in Ro'Moeve

AzazaelFenrir
04-13-2009, 08:42 AM
The only spells I haven't seen Composure work on is Protect and Shell, which makes me wonder why.

Isiolia
04-13-2009, 09:14 AM
The only spells I haven't seen Composure work on is Protect and Shell, which makes me wonder why.

Reraise also doesn't.

It seemed to me like a lot of spells + Composure wear on zone, when they normally wouldn't. Could be that SE is avoiding having close to 300MP worth of spells wear on zone (Prot/Shell IV + RR) or there's a cap on duration.

TummieGaruda
04-13-2009, 10:27 AM
I am not 100% sure that talking to her as a RDM triggered it, but I am more inclined to think so. I was on BLM most of the time as I was retracing back to the past, buying AN gear and NPCing it to buy items off of her so I didn't burn any gil out of my pocket. The first time I bought about 2 stacks of milk, and she had a message in say that said she got a new shipment. I checked her and she had cream puffs and other stuff available minus the enspells and the two items only available during the new years event. So I started to buy more and more stacks of milk. After about 9 or 10 stacks, I realized that NPCing the milk back to her might be a bad idea, as it might replenish her stock and be all for nothing. So I bought a few extra stacks, went to the flower girl NPC next to the AH, NPC'd the milk, then about 10 seconds later as I was on my way back to the NPC, a new message popped up from her saying another shipment arrived, and there was a RDM standing there. I asked him if he bought any stock from her and he said no, he just checked her and the enspells were there. After the next maintenance, I'll test it again by buying milk, and then buying so more and talk to her as a RDM to trigger them to pop.

OctavoGilgamesh
04-13-2009, 10:29 AM
Reraise also doesn't.

It seemed to me like a lot of spells + Composure wear on zone, when they normally wouldn't. Could be that SE is avoiding having close to 300MP worth of spells wear on zone (Prot/Shell IV + RR) or there's a cap on duration.

I didn't notice the zone thing testing composure out in sea last night.

All I can say is having haste, refresh, and stoneskin up for that long is pretty damn nice. I did try it with rr at the end of the night, but logged off before it would have wore normally.

Did anyone else notice that buffs wore inconsistently if they forgot to click off composure after they were done applying it? If I always clicked off composure after casting the buffs, they would last the expected duration everytime.

Seraph
04-13-2009, 10:33 AM
I didn't notice the zone thing testing composure out in sea last night.

All I can say is having haste, refresh, and stoneskin up for that long is pretty damn nice. I did try it with rr at the end of the night, but logged off before it would have wore normally.

Did anyone else notice that buffs wore inconsistently if they forgot to click off composure after they were done applying it? If I always clicked off composure after casting the buffs, they would last the expected duration everytime.

I think my only complaint is when partying I am so used to being at the start of the haste/refersh cycle, and now that it isn't the case anymore, I can;t just look up at my buff icons to know when to restart. Paying more attention to the log is a small price to pay for more potential /heal time, and longer self buffs.

Raineer
04-13-2009, 10:21 PM
I didn't notice the zone thing testing composure out in sea last night.

All I can say is having haste, refresh, and stoneskin up for that long is pretty damn nice. I did try it with rr at the end of the night, but logged off before it would have wore normally.

Did anyone else notice that buffs wore inconsistently if they forgot to click off composure after they were done applying it? If I always clicked off composure after casting the buffs, they would last the expected duration everytime.

I never had anything unusual wear on zone, except for composure itself.