Introducing the Add-on Trilogy Bonus Gift! (11/02/2009)

[Kimiko]

To commemorate the release of the third and final add-on scenario, we are proud to introduce the "Nexus Cape," an in-game bonus item for players who have purchased the entire trilogy. All characters under a single player account registered for all three add-ons will be eligible for this gift.
Owners of the FINAL FANTASY XI ULTIMATE COLLECTION, scheduled for release on November 10, can also shout with glee, as the gift will be available to them also.

Following the release of the next version update, eligible characters may collect their Nexus Cape from the treasure coffer located within the Tenshodo Headquarters in Lower Jeuno.
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/5005/5005_0.jpg

The Nexus Cape is an enchanted item that allows characters in a party to teleport to their party leader's location. Please note, however, that the enchantment's effectiveness is limited to certain destinations only. Provided that all requisite conditions are fulfilled, characters may teleport to the areas listed below:

Uleguerand Range / Attohwa Chasm / West Ronfaure / East Ronfaure / La Theine Plateau / Valkurm Dunes / Jugner Forest / Batallia Downs / North Gustaberg / South Gustaberg / Konschtat Highlands / Pashhow Marshlands / Rolanberry Fields / Beaucedine Glacier / Xarcabard / Cape Teriggan / Eastern Altepa Desert / West Sarutabaruta / East Sarutabaruta / Tahrongi Canyon / Buburimu Peninsula / Meriphataud Mountains / Sauromugue Champaign / Yuhtunga Jungle / Yhoator Jungle / Western Altepa Desert / Qufim Island / Behemoth's Dominion / Valley of Sorrows / Southern San d'Oria / Northern San d'Oria / Port San d'Oria / Bastok Mines / Bastok Markets / Port Bastok / Windurst Waters / Windurst Walls / Port Windurst / Windurst Woods / Ru'Lude Gardens / Upper Jeuno / Lower Jeuno / Port Jeuno / Rabao / Selbina / Mhaura / Kazham / Norg

The enchantment effect will differ slightly depending upon the party leader's current location: field areas or towns. For field areas, users will be sent directly to where their party leader stands, while for towns, they will be teleported to where a home point may be set.
Bring a Nexus Cape with you on your adventures, and you need not fear being left behind by your comrades ever again!

*The teleportation will be rendered ineffective if the party leader changes areas in the middle of casting. It is recommended that party members communicate their intent to teleport beforehand.
*Characters may teleport only to areas they have previously visited.
*Teleporting to areas introduced in expansions is possible only after installation and code registration have been completed for the expansion pack in question. This does not, however, affect one's eligibility to obtain the Nexus Cape.

[Jaunty]

Wow, could of used this 5 years ago. Very useful, guess their sales of add-on's didn't go as well as they had hoped.

[Makwa]

Creepy... Me and a friend were talking about "what if you could teleport to your camp in ffxi?" a few days ago. O_o

[EvilSid]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/CScyrad16/epic_bread.jpg




EDIT- nvm just noticed the 40hrs recast ">____>

[Buttons]

Wow that's cool. Too bad it's a back piece and will probably not be visible, would have been even more awesome if it was a visible item. :)

[Evane]

Desperate

[Kairos]

wow, no wonder this is a 3 part update. They must really not have a lot done for the 9th and need the rest of the month to rush and finish doing the work they should have been doing all along instead of goofing off on Tanaka's yacht.

[Johyo]

Will be nice to get people to HNM camps fast, can invite someone, they can stay in whitegate, you can head to camp, they can wait and invite 5 others, use item everyone @ camp!

[Not Kuno]

That's kind of cool. I guess. I don't know what to think of it really but the 40 hour recast makes it pretty useless like Talisman. I guess now I can take more parties to ein?

[Sev]

Teleport-DA! oh wait ; ;

[Wycor]

30€ for a head+body+legs with an awesome gift cape of 40hr recast usefull for... Tiamat? and jormu?

Irony how there is Behe.dominion, Valley.Sorrows but not Dragon's aery which is maybe the longest way to go.

[Pharaun]

Lame, can't teleport to any AU areas.

[Decy]

useful for getting to khim and avoiding aggro too!!

Edit, fuck nvm read areas.. how gay >.>

[EdgeMoragan]

I have one idea for this cape.


Regain Feather - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Regain_Feather)

[Jem]

Least it will be handy to tele to Tiamat or for ENM items.

[calinz]

I have one idea for this cape.


Regain Feather - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Regain_Feather)

Indeed! The regain feather will finally be obtainable by legal means.

[EdgeMoragan]

100% HP 100%MP and 300% TP is going to make a lot of "important" events far easier.

Missions you need, hnm, emergency fallback when solo, all sorts of applications. This is gonna be where its at with this item, unless they cockblock somehow.

[Kaslo]

Least it will be handy to tele to Tiamat or for ENM items.

Fuck yeah! This will make it easier for those guys that can't seem to climb the mountain :P

I actually like the idea of meeting someone in Choco circuit to get an invite, they can return to Port Jueno, then I can get a free tele to Jueno for Limbus! :P

[drwaffles]

Indeed! The regain feather will finally be obtainable by legal means.

Pretty sure the teleportation will constitute "zoning", in which case you won't be able to use it to obtain the feather. It's the same reason that tractoring someone up the mountain won't work either.

[EdgeMoragan]

Pretty sure the teleportation will constitute "zoning", in which case you won't be able to use it to obtain the feather. It's the same reason that tractoring someone up the mountain won't work either.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ; ;

[calinz]

Pretty sure the teleportation will constitute "zoning", in which case you won't be able to use it to obtain the feather. It's the same reason that tractoring someone up the mountain won't work either.

Damn, you had to ruin our dreams!! Although,if its in the same zone why wouldn't a sky/sea/alzadaal teleporter style work? Aka, the character is moved without a loading screen.

[OdinBlaize]

For field areas, users will be sent directly to where their party leader stands

Whether you need to be in a different zone for this to take effect or not is anyone's guess.

[DAKPluto]

Lack of [S] makes me sad :( Sandworm and Ixion claims would have been interesting! lol

[Spekkio]

i was under the impression the stone shattered on death, not when tractored. if that is the case, the feather is still obtainable. still, this cape would be valuable for hiking up the mountain for ule enm (just leave a lvl 1 char there as an anchor and port to it.) as well as for ascending the mountain in chasm. beyond that, it could be used to drop shock troops into any of the listed areas, but the most valuable zones to do that in (read sandworm and DI hunting) are not on the list. this seems like a nice toy, but very limited in that your ability to use it as a port to xp is limited not only by the zones, but the fact that you have to be in the same region to get invited meaning you're most likely already there to begin with.

edit: a few more uses; KA mule (you could even station a new one there once a week using 10 day trials if you're super cheap!) transit, KV transit, or sneaking behind the 4 pillars door in altep using an anchor char. still racing my brain to think of any game changing abilities it grants other than the (unlikely) chance of it making a regain feather possible to get without cheating.

[Aristio]

I was hoping for augmentable shoes or hands...

This would be useful if only it didn't have the 40 hour recast time.

[drwaffles]

i was under the impression the stone shattered on death, not when tractored. if that is the case, the feather is still obtainable. still, this cape would be valuable for hiking up the mountain for ule enm (just leave a lvl 1 char there as an anchor and port to it.) as well as for ascending the mountain in chasm. beyond that, it could be used to drop shock troops into any of the listed areas, but the most valuable zones to do that in (read sandworm and DI hunting) are not on the list. this seems like a nice toy, but very limited in that your ability to use it as a port to xp is limited not only by the zones, but the fact that you have to be in the same region to get invited meaning you're most likely already there to begin with.

edit: a few more uses; KA mule (you could even station a new one there once a week using 10 day trials if you're super cheap!) transit, KV transit, or sneaking behind the 4 pillars door in altep using an anchor char. still racing my brain to think of any game changing abilities it grants other than the (unlikely) chance of it making a regain feather possible to get without cheating.

Fairly certain it's the zoning that does it, not dying. And considering you can use the cape to hop across zones, I very much doubt it'll be an Alzadaal style port. Regain feather simply wasn't meant to be obtained by any legitimate means - retarded game design or ingenious pos.exe trap? You decide.

[Pergo]

this shall be called the "fuck you uleguerand range enm" cape

[dantaro]

i was under the impression the stone shattered on death, not when tractored. if that is the case, the feather is still obtainable. still, this cape would be valuable for hiking up the mountain for ule enm (just leave a lvl 1 char there as an anchor and port to it.) as well as for ascending the mountain in chasm. beyond that, it could be used to drop shock troops into any of the listed areas, but the most valuable zones to do that in (read sandworm and DI hunting) are not on the list. this seems like a nice toy, but very limited in that your ability to use it as a port to xp is limited not only by the zones, but the fact that you have to be in the same region to get invited meaning you're most likely already there to begin with.

edit: a few more uses; KA mule (you could even station a new one there once a week using 10 day trials if you're super cheap!) transit, KV transit, or sneaking behind the 4 pillars door in altep using an anchor char. still racing my brain to think of any game changing abilities it grants other than the (unlikely) chance of it making a regain feather possible to get without cheating.

Jesus christ I hope I'm getting wooshed.

The cape is level 30, so I hope you can go 1-30 in 3 days on your 10 day free trials. And why in god's name would you buy the three expansions for a 10 day trial? Please PLEASE think before you type >,<

[Toth]

A nice bonus overall and hey, it's unexpected. I'm looking forward to using it as needed.

[Spira]

seems interesting. I just got a free transport item. I'm pretty sure some people will fine use for this doing ASA alone.. but this is also useful for stuff like hard to reach NMs/places in Yuhtunga Jungle, Altepa, as well as getting to Aspid and KB way faster..

[Destinye]

I was hoping for augmentable shoes or hands...

This would be useful if only it didn't have the 40 hour recast time.

Indeed, because within those 40 hours it doesn't have a use at all.

Really, play some Korean MMOs, you won't think 40 hour cool down time makes something "useless".

[Kaisha]

They're starting to make it hard for me to not return to the game and buy the Ultimate Collection for $19 just so I get all three add-ons in one go for cheaper. All it'll take is a last-minute 'woohoo!' note in the updates to push me over after all the 'bleh' I've seen so far. I want my WoTG story completed so I can 'finish' the expansion at least for peace of mind for when I quit again afterwards.
(would be nice to install FFXI via the one disc from the UC pack, vs. the 9 I'd deal with by normal means)

[Rampagesama]

Jesus christ I hope I'm getting wooshed.

The cape is level 30, so I hope you can go 1-30 in 3 days on your 10 day free trials. And why in god's name would you buy the three expansions for a 10 day trial? Please PLEASE think before you type >,<

The cape would be for your main, not the anchor mule with party leader.

[Rocl]

that's pretty cool

[Gergall]

I'm impressed that it takes you directly to your party leader's location instead of a single pre-determined spot.

Who knew SE had the capability to do that and simply elected not to for all these years?

[lamp]

Jesus christ I hope I'm getting wooshed.

The cape is level 30, so I hope you can go 1-30 in 3 days on your 10 day free trials. And why in god's name would you buy the three expansions for a 10 day trial? Please PLEASE think before you type >,<

Whoosh?...

I dont know if you are a bigger idiot here or not, im not feeling great so im not gonna straight out accuse you because i might have missed something, but im pretty sure the mule wont need a cape, just his main character, who i would assume is level 30+.

[willriker]

I waited for 7 days, and couldnt wait to hear more about the update.... and i get this... 8 days till update and they release this?

Seriously?

No really, this item is as close to being entirely pointless as you can get. It wont tele you anywhere that you would actualy need to get to, in a hurry.

Not only that, but even if they added any combination of:

Dragons Aery,
Sky areas,
Sea areas,
Khim area,
lolhydra area,
Mount Zhaylom,
and every single [s] area...

it would still be a crappy item. You'de need to, all ready, be in party to actualy make any decent use out of this at all. Not only that, but you would also have to have your party leader be there before you. The chances of you filling that criteria... is really small, not to mention the mutualy exclusive nature of fulfilling the prerequisites for using it.

Honestly though, this item would be quality... If DA was on this list... OP to santuary of zi'tah for invite> Nexus Cape would actualy be helpful. While OP to qufim Island for invite> nexus cape to behemoths dominion is not very helpful at all. As for WoTG HNM... you can all ready teleport to every single area as it is. You'de be very unlucky if SW or DI popped so far away that you should use your cape... especialy since you needed to Allied Note warp your way to the area just for the invite anyhow.

Enough HNM, lets just talk about exp parties.

You have a 40 hour timer.
You already need the invite to use the item.
The more popular areas are not on this list.

Oh Oh, not a single dungeon is on the list either. So if an exp party was in Garliage, crawlers, Gustav, Korrokola tunnel... Nexus cape still wont help you out. It would have been somewhat useful to do an AF burn, warp out of there for refreshing two hours, then to nexus cape back to korrokola... but you cannot even do that.

Honestly, i see this cape being useful for two things. the first would be to not need to be tractored up ulegrand range if you missed the tunnel (if the only people who missed the tunnel were the ones with nexus cape. If not, youll need to bring the tractor anyhow.). The second would be to teleport over to KA camp.

Otherwise, its useless.

[Vedder]

i was under the impression the stone shattered on death, not when tractored. if that is the case, the feather is still obtainable. still, this cape would be valuable for hiking up the mountain for ule enm (just leave a lvl 1 char there as an anchor and port to it.) as well as for ascending the mountain in chasm. beyond that, it could be used to drop shock troops into any of the listed areas, but the most valuable zones to do that in (read sandworm and DI hunting) are not on the list. this seems like a nice toy, but very limited in that your ability to use it as a port to xp is limited not only by the zones, but the fact that you have to be in the same region to get invited meaning you're most likely already there to begin with.

edit: a few more uses; KA mule (you could even station a new one there once a week using 10 day trials if you're super cheap!) transit, KV transit, or sneaking behind the 4 pillars door in altep using an anchor char. still racing my brain to think of any game changing abilities it grants other than the (unlikely) chance of it making a regain feather possible to get without cheating.

All good ideas, but a level 1 mule ain't gonna cut it.

[Miraun]

Yes, this item is very limited in how effective it will be. But I think it's a good proof of concept, and proof of mechanic that may eventually allow similiar mechanics to be more widely used. Hopefully we will see more items like this, just stronger and more effective.

[Furoris]

Who knew SE had the capability to do that and simply elected not to for all these years?

Everyone who has made/used/heard-about POS hacks?


Not only that, but you would also have to have your party leader be there before you.

You know there is a button called change party leader right?

[tonystigma]

All good ideas, but a level 1 mule ain't gonna cut it.

Why do people keep saying this? The mule is the pt leader, they don't need a cape.

[Shirai]

I have one idea for this cape.


Regain Feather - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Regain_Feather)

Out of all the ideas, this still strikes me as the best use for this cape right now.
It's not like it's so hard to get to most of the locations anyway.

[dejet]

I can think back and count how many times a item like this would of got me to a camp on time. countdown starts from someone in BD and I am still at the OP warp dude. it has many uses. Really the best use would be DA. Lets hope they rethink that and add it. That make it worth it for any camper that might be late coming. Or hell help your KV kiter out a little.

It is a nice add to something I was going to get anyway.


Out of all the ideas, this still strikes me as the best use for this cape right now.
It's not like it's so hard to get to most of the locations anyway.


I do not see this working like pos hacks. As the auto jailer would most likely jail like 100 people in the 1st day of doing this, It will be like a zone, and if that is true we might not get to use it for the feather. Has anyone ever asked SE about that anyways? That should of been something asked at fanfest >.> "why is it that you put a item in the game that can be gained, but in fact outside a few cheaters you cant get it"

[Classikmage]

Will be nice to get people to HNM camps fast, can invite someone, they can stay in whitegate, you can head to camp, they can wait and invite 5 others, use item everyone @ camp!

Only if your low level. Only works for Zilart areas. =\

[Spekkio]

well i distinctly remember that when i was helping a friend with the CoP attowa chasm trek up the mountain and they couldn't get their asses up it to save their lives (literally) we bumped them off to try to tractor them up the mountain. 10 minutes later when the TW----- mobs FINALLY managed to zerg down my friend, if i remember correctly the item was destroyed INSTANTLY upon their death, not as they were tractored. that's not to say that zoning wouldn't destroy it too (in fact, i'd be surprised if it didn't) but there may be many ways to break the key item and we might be able to find some loophole such as kaeko's weird find about teleporting to another location in the zone (eg casting tele yohat while already in yohator jungle) would preserve hate. yes. that is a very different case as the mob is what maintains the hate list, not the player, but it still serves to illustrate that we can't scratch off the possibility of a regain feather just yet, even if we should be reserved in our hopes.

and yes, as was said above, from the description, i see no requirement for the anchor (the player to be teleported to) so you could actually set up a high speed transit to some distant location like VoS. station a number of anchors in VoS, BD, behind altep gate, etc. and have them in party with another player in say whitegate (i am assuming that you can transport FROM AU, just not TO it. if not, replace all instances of whitegate with jeuno or a gate crystal. i don't care.) the player in whitegate would act as the stationmaster and invite a player to the party as the 6th member. this player would then transfer leader to one of the anchors, the passenger would engage their cape, and the anchor would then return control to the stationmaster. release the passenger from party and prepare for next passenger. not only would this serve as a great hub tool for an LS to deliver troops to a target region at high speed, this might even be a salable service for an enterprising player. instant delivery to an ENM destination. port yourself behind a door somewhere. obviously this system would require several accounts (a total of FIVE) that could never log off or DC, but many LSes have retired accounts or players with a bucketload of cash who wouldn't care about paying a huge chunk of change a month to do this. at this scale, it is probably not viable, but still an interesting experiment. scaling it back to just a 2 player party with a stationmaster and 1 anchor at tiamat would not be all that difficult (nor would it be challenging to restore the link if broken) and would drastically expedite the delivery of a holding party if one does not already exist.

edit: the ability to zone a player to any point in a zone has existed since the beginning of time. see the tractor ability. accepting a tractor triggers a zone with very specific destination coordinates. while we never had the ability to tractor across zones before, we've had the ability to zone to a specific location and to zone between zones (DUH...) so the ability to zone between zones to a specific location is not really a surprise when we consider what we know about the game.

[willriker]

If they added this function to be able to target people on your friend list without the limitations on areas that... people actualy want to go to... it would be ideal. Should every area be on the list, no.

Areas like the salvage/nyzul/limbus/BS/SCNM/KS/Allied not BC and so on should definately not be in the list. They all require an entrance fee of some sort. But, to not have access to ToAU zones is just absurd. I mean, if you wanted to, you could hike to these areas. The IS warp is just for convenience. Like what this item should have been. An item used for convenience... except they made it as unconvenient as possible to use.

The chances of you actualy making legitamite use of this item is very small. Id say you'de be lucky to have an, unengineered, situation arize where this item would be of any use to you at all.

[Tsuko_Asura]

inb4 shitstorm of mass bans because of people zone-hopping too quickly

[Red Demon Taoist]

A... positive response to... an announcement... I must be even more high than I thought I was...

Can't help but wonder how many more customers they would have retained if they had introduced this as a spell in 2003...

Also, as someone who's opposed to these add-ons by principal, this just adds fuel to the fire.

First they are extorting players of 10-15 bucks for about 25 cents worth of content and justifying it by giving fancy rewards.

Now they well they're doing the same thing but giving out a game changing item that the entire game could benefit from, but instead of making the game better, they're taking the greedy route and forcing people to buy FFXI's most terrible content to get it.

I already had to buy their terrible security token to make my inventory tolerable.

Where does the RMT stop!? OH THE HUMANITY! (SOMEone had to complain... >.>)

[Spungy]

Indeed! The regain feather will finally be obtainable by legal means.

Probably resets when you zone. But you will be able to get the Miasma filter with little trouble if you leave a mule up there.

[willriker]

First they are extorting players of 10-15 bucks for about 25 cents worth of content and justifying it by giving fancy rewards.

Now they well they're doing the same thing but giving out a game changing item that the entire game could benefit from, but instead of making the game better, they're taking the greedy route and forcing people to buy FFXI's most terrible content to get it.


Thats just the thing though. This is one of those items that make you chuckle that you actualy had the stars align in a way that let you use it, and that you actualy remembered to use it.

[Kaslo]

A... positive response to... an announcement... I must be even more high than I thought I was...(SOMEone had to complain... >.>)

Don't worry, people have already complained about it's zone restrictions.

[Omniyoji]

Like Willriker said, would've been more useful if you could get invited from anywhere...

[Ophannus]

useful for moving mul...never mind

[Kaibelf]

Astounding. SE gives people something for free, that they didn't expect to get and offered it as a nice surprise, and people still bitch and moan about how desperate they are and how horrible FFXI is, etc. Honestly, if you hate the game so much and everything dissatisfies you, fuck off already and go play WoW.

[TacoTaru]

First they are extorting players of 10-15 bucks for about 25 cents worth of content and justifying it by giving fancy rewards.

It's good to see we're back to the extortion card with these add-ons.

[JigglyJam]

It's not free, you have to buy the three add-ons or the ultimate collection.

This is really meh and I don't think it'll convince anyone to buy all three add-ons if they haven't already decided to do so.

EDIT: The new item system better be fucking amazing, otherwise this update's pretty shitty.

[Max™]

Oh, I can think of times I would have loved this.

Like, when I was sitting up at the throne room after a couple of the party members for the AMK final fight got up, but we had one member afk in whitegate.

or

When we had someone not show, could have had one person zone back to WG, pick someone up, and pulled them all to me instantly?

Neat, I know the moogle cap on my girlfriends mithra is a fun trick to show off, she got a kick out of a party ending in valkurm with 19~20 dings one time, and everyone complaining about having to hoof it back to town. She says "come over here by me"... *cap*, couple seconds later they all go "whoa, neat trick, thanks Pounce!"

[Kohan]

Astounding. SE gives people something for free, that they didn't expect to get and offered it as a nice surprise, and people still bitch and moan about how desperate they are and how horrible FFXI is, etc. Honestly, if you hate the game so much and everything dissatisfies you, fuck off already and go play WoW.

People like paying to cry, especially so as of late. It wouldn't simply be cheap to say "that's the usual for BG," but also inaccurate -- the amount of whining has been exceptional. Everyone boohooing about the job updates, the ugly DAT mined equipment, and this as well. Bunch of fucking crybabies.

[Xanthu]

Astounding. SE gives people something for free, that they didn't expect to get and offered it as a nice surprise, and people still bitch and moan about how desperate they are and how horrible FFXI is, etc. Honestly, if you hate the game so much and everything dissatisfies you, fuck off already and go play WoW.

The issue is every fucking time they try something like this, it becomes a dumb tease because it could have been right and awesome, but SE figures out a couple ways to make it worthless. Case in point not working in any area actually far out of the way, and having a 40 hour timer.

It's a nice little one-timer, but it could have been incredibly useful. We're teased and suddenly think of all the useful applications and now we can't do that. Insert rage here.

[Kohan]

The issue is every fucking time they try something like this, it becomes a dumb tease because it could have been right and awesome, but SE figures out a couple ways to make it worthless. Case in point not working in any area actually far out of the way, and having a 40 hour timer.

It's a nice little one-timer, but it could have been incredibly useful. We're teased and suddenly think of all the useful applications and now we can't do that. Insert rage here.

Valid criticism instead of bitching? Magnificent. Now, if only you and the other five people who bother to elaborate could get all the asswipes to invest themselves a little bit more, and not run around screaming about how their FFXI life is so hard and this makes it even worse...

Ah, to dream.

[Windfoxster]

Guess i am the only one that gonna use this cape to mpk my friend by teleing him to valley of sorrow while he is afk. :fairy:

[Aihree]

I will now be placing a level 1 mule behind the ice wall in Uleguerand range, and logging him in temporarily to become party leader.

Edit: Someone else beat me to it.

[Jornna]

The reason DA isnt in there is because its a dungeon. If they added DA, would have to add all dungeon areas as well.

[Spira]

Guess i am the only one that gonna use this cape to mpk my friend by teleing him to valley of sorrow while he is afk. :fairy:

I don't think it works that way.

Its probably the person who uses the charge is the only one who gets teled, but to the party leaders pos.

So the leader wont be able to "force tele" someone else to his pos. The only possible MPK i think is if you're standing right in the middle of aggro invis/sneaked and tell someone else its safe to tele to you.

[Vendeen]

The enchantment effect will differ slightly depending upon the party leader's current location: field areas or towns. For field areas, users will be sent directly to where their party leader stands, while for towns, they will be teleported to where a home point may be set.
Bring a Nexus Cape with you on your adventures, and you need not fear being left behind by your comrades ever again!

Square Enix are communists! It all makes sense now...

[Max™]

Moogle cap hits the whole party if they're in range, I'd guess this is the opposite, brings the whole party in range.

It isn't exactly clear if it is just you > party leader pos, or you as party leader > everyone ports to you.

[Vuitton]

The reason DA isnt in there is because its a dungeon. If they added DA, would have to add all dungeon areas as well.

The Sanctuary of Zi'tah isn't a field map that is permitted. They do allow other RotZ fields though, so it looks like this was specifically done to prevent people from accessing DA quickly.

The closest you can get is the Sauromugue Champaign zone-line to Zi'tah. Which would be pointless as you'll be without a chocobo and will need to foot it to the Boyada Tree.

[Vuitton]

Moogle cap hits the whole party if they're in range, I'd guess this is the opposite, brings the whole party in range.

It isn't exactly clear if it is just you > party leader pos, or you as party leader > everyone ports to you.

I believe it would be us going to the party leader pos. If it was the other away around it could cause a lot of problems like you've just teleported your party to your location before they've switched jobs and changed gear, or they were in their mog house and missed the teleport.

Not to mention the griefing you would be able to do. I am going to teleport my entire party to some dangerous location where they'll die, and then I'll warp away or sacrifice some exp for the lols.

Edit:



users will be sent directly to where their party leader stands


So yeah, it is the user who is teleported to the leader. The leader doesn't teleport the party.

[Guppy]

Well, for dungeon NM camping, it still helps reduce transit time, as long as you have a second friend or character available to anchor the destination point outside the zone. For instance, Joyuese campers can zone their party members into Norg or Yuhtunga.

Camping the pop is boring, but sometimes friends are only willing to help after you pop and/or claim it. Of course, this means any rival campers will get their friends to the site faster as well.

[Spekkio]

The reason DA isnt in there is because its a dungeon. If they added DA, would have to add all dungeon areas as well.

edit: beaten on the zitah comment (that will show me to take so much time writing my thoughts down!) but the rest of the post still remains valid and fresh commentary imo.
no, but they could have added zi'tah which is not a dungeon. this would at least allow a player to port directly to tree entrance and from there they could climb to DA. for a toy we weren't expecting to get, it's a neat bonus. on the other hand, it's less game changing than any of the 3 expansion rewards.

ACP offered a new body for pld that shortened utsu cast and recast as well as represented a new standard for flash and any other enmity generating abilities for the 99% of us not lucky enough to have a hydra body. MKD added a new best nuking head for blm, gave brd and whm a smidge more fast cast, and gave another opportunity to add cure potency just to name a few boons. SA added an easy replacement for homam legs for a lot of jobs as well as +move speed for many jobs that didn't have it before (I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO CHASE DOWN YOU BLASTED BLM). all 3 expansions offered at the least a non-trivial side grade for 1 or more jobs.

this cape at best is either a time saver or a tool through significant pre-planning to allow players to camp 2 NMs at once (party with someone in BD while camping faf and if kb pops, blow capes to port to KB.) a nice toy, but nothing earth shattering. it should be thought of more as a bonus like the in-game tidal talisman which can speed you to mhaura for einherjar or something similar. it's a convenience for the most part. overly limited in destination and recharge? yeah. not living up to it's full potential? yeah, probably. a failure as a motivator to buy all 3 expansions for players who were on the fence? most likely, if not as much of a deterrent as anything. it's not hard for me to imagine this being the final straw in a player's mind that the idea of SE effectively selling us gear in micropayments is not something they want to be a part of and refusing to buy the remaining expansions. so in the primary drive of this cape, at least from SE's perspective, yes, i think this is a gaff. it's too weak to be a positive tipping tool most likely and will also very plausibly have a chilling effect on sales. for the player, it's more of a take it or leave it thing. i won't ARGUE with having a new convenience, just don't expect me to jump for joy over it either.

btw, one way to make this a HECK of a lot better and get some real attention: allow the player to toss the cape and replace it with a new one with no recast timer on it if they stop by the tenshodo crate. this would keep the player from abusing the cape by using it over and over in the field, but would remove the primary limiting factor of the 2 day recast. just a thought.

[Guppy]

we might be able to find some loophole such as kaeko's weird find about teleporting to another location in the zone (eg casting tele yohat while already in yohator jungle) would preserve hate.

Was this patched? I use Recall-Jugner all the time in the past to drop hate from Orcs in the same zone, when doing the Deep Cover Campaign Op. And it's usually the Dragonbrander or Champion not too far from the telecrystal point that I'm photographing.

[Hanyoko]

Moogle cap hits the whole party if they're in range, I'd guess this is the opposite, brings the whole party in range.

It isn't exactly clear if it is just you > party leader pos, or you as party leader > everyone ports to you.

Sounds rather clear to me

Single target teleport which drops you at the location of your current party leader (unless they are in a city... which that is probabaly to avoid the "but what if they are in the mog house" condition). That is unless maat's cap teleports more then just the user; then it could go either way.

Two words: Chocobo Circuit
Zone into the circuit, get invited to a party; change leader to someone in a far away zone, teleport to them.
And for those that still dont know why the Chocobo Circuit. You can access it from Sandy, Bastok, Windy, Jeuno, Whitegate.

[Max™]

Yup, I use the choco zone to party up with people in other cities now and then.

[Panthera]

Fuck yeah! This will make it easier for those guys that can't seem to climb the mountain :P

I actually like the idea of meeting someone in Choco circuit to get an invite, they can return to Port Jueno, then I can get a free tele to Jueno for Limbus! :P

My group does Limbus immedately after Einherjar. My guys can party up, i'll Maat's Cap to Ru' Lude, party members can use cape to come on over ^~

If you have an Altepa Gate mule (and i know someone who does) this can save you some trouble.

[orson]

To those saying why not Dragon's Aery like someone said they didn't add any dungeons. Secondly the add-ons were all available and functional with just original and RoTZ areas so of course they won't include most CoP, ToAU, and WoTG areas. I'm surprised any CoP areas are included at all. It doesn't make sense not including Ru'Aun Gardens but I guess it's easy to get to anyways. The 40 hr recast is stupid though, no reason it couldn't be like 1 hr given the limits on where it can port to.

[Vuitton]

To those saying why not Dragon's Aery like someone said they didn't add any dungeons. Secondly the add-ons were all available and functional with just original and RoTZ areas so of course they won't include most CoP, ToAU, and WoTG areas. I'm surprised any CoP areas are included at all. It doesn't make sense not including Ru'Aun Gardens but I guess it's easy to get to anyways. The 40 hr recast is stupid though, no reason it couldn't be like 1 hr given the limits on where it can port to.

It isn't as cut and dry with zones allowed and the expansions they were introduced with. There are FIELD zones from RotZ and CoP allowed, and there are FIELD zones not allowed.

RELEASE:
West Ronfaure / East Ronfaure / La Theine Plateau / Valkurm Dunes / Jugner Forest / Batallia Downs / North Gustaberg / South Gustaberg / Konschtat Highlands / Pashhow Marshlands / Rolanberry Fields / Beaucedine Glacier / Xarcabard / West Sarutabaruta / East Sarutabaruta / Tahrongi Canyon / Buburimu Peninsula / Meriphataud Mountains / Sauromugue Champaign / Qufim Island / Behemoth's Dominion / Southern San d'Oria / Northern San d'Oria / Port San d'Oria / Bastok Mines / Bastok Markets / Port Bastok / Windurst Waters / Windurst Walls / Port Windurst / Windurst Woods / Ru'Lude Gardens / Upper Jeuno / Lower Jeuno / Port Jeuno / Selbina / Mhaura

ROTZ:
Cape Teriggan / Eastern Altepa Desert / Yuhtunga Jungle / Yhoator Jungle / Western Altepa Desert / Valley of Sorrows / Rabao / Kazham / Norg

COP:
Uleguerand Range / Attohwa Chasm



So, you can see that the Sanctuary of Zi'tah, a ROTZ field zone, is not included, but other ROTZ field zones are. Now for COP, Bibiki Bay field zone, Purgonogo Island field zone, and Carpenter's Landing field zone are not allowed, but Uleguerand Range and Attowa Chasm are allowed.

Its very strange what they allowed and what they didn't. At least for the COP zones field zones not allowed, they all have boats in them, and maybe they couldn't get the teleport function to work if you were on a moving boat?

[Ratatapa]

Human beeing the biggest crybaby species ever

alwasy wants more more more and when they get more they cry they don't want that

[Destinye]

To those saying why not Dragon's Aery like someone said they didn't add any dungeons. Secondly the add-ons were all available and functional with just original and RoTZ areas so of course they won't include most CoP, ToAU, and WoTG areas. I'm surprised any CoP areas are included at all. It doesn't make sense not including Ru'Aun Gardens but I guess it's easy to get to anyways. The 40 hr recast is stupid though, no reason it couldn't be like 1 hr given the limits on where it can port to.

How many more teleports do people need to get to Sky? Seriously.

[Xno Kappa]

lol There's more posts of people complaining about complainers then there is actual complaining.

[willriker]

so basicaly we can use this to instawarp to tiamat, KB, Aspi, loljorm, but not the sanctuary of zitah, the boy. tree, or dragons aery.

we can use this to jump past the rock wall to get to King Arthro, but we cannot use this to jump past the rock wall barring off bakkyo's island.

I mean we can have a level 1 alt (with party leader on) camping Simurgh, Roc, King Arthro, King Vinegaroon, Tiamat, the thf knife nm in Cape Terrigan, 2/3 Brown belt NM's, and so on. While we are duoing/trioing/helming/farming then teleport to the leader at the first sign of pop... But we cant get to teleport to Faf, Jorm, Sea, Sky, or anywhere in ToAU.

Not only is that not cool. But, you now need to have to buy these crappy expansions. Or you'll never see an unclaimed tiamat/KV/and so on... ever again. thats another reason many of us do not like this item.

[Jornna]

THF knife NM is in the temple no?

and you can warp to Jorm.

[Nermie]

THF knife NM is in the temple no?

Sirocco Kukri? (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Sirocco_Kukri)

[Shenrien]

yay, I'm glad I got the third mini expansion now :p

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not sure why people are so certain that this will count as zoning for Regain Feather. As previously stated, Teleport-crag does not count as a zone change when you are in that zone to begin with (mob will turn and head for your new location).

[Red Demon Taoist]

Astounding. SE gives people something for free, that they didn't expect to get and offered it as a nice surprise, and people still bitch and moan about how desperate they are and how horrible FFXI is, etc. Honestly, if you hate the game so much and everything dissatisfies you, fuck off already and go play WoW.

Oh, Alexander's favorite narcissist... How's the KaibelfCult doing these days?

Welcome to the Final Fantasy XI community, where people complain about stuff.

I have 1 add on. To get the cape I'd have to buy 2 more. Buying stuff does not equal free.

Also, 2004 called, and they want their WoW card back.

One more thing. There's a big difference between criticizing FFXI (greatness) and criticizing SE (biggest dev douchebags in history).

[Jornna]

Sorry, when I hear "THF knife" I think

Thief's Knife - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Thief%27s_Knife)

[Kaibelf]

It's not free, you have to buy the three add-ons or the ultimate collection.

This is really meh and I don't think it'll convince anyone to buy all three add-ons if they haven't already decided to do so.

EDIT: The new item system better be fucking amazing, otherwise this update's pretty shitty.

Nonsense. You buy the add-ons for their reward gear. The cape has nothing to do with it, and no one's forcing you to do anything. As for the update, SMNs got a very decent bump, RNGs shouldn't complain too much, and from what we've seen, the item system might be rather large. Just how much is enough for you people?

[Kaibelf]

Oh, Alexander's favorite narcissist... How's the KaibelfCult doing these days?

Welcome to the Final Fantasy XI community, where people complain about stuff.

I have 1 add on. To get the cape I'd have to buy 2 more. Buying stuff does not equal free.

Also, 2004 called, and they want their WoW card back.

One more thing. There's a big difference between criticizing FFXI (greatness) and criticizing SE (biggest dev douchebags in history).

1. If I went around preaching about how great I am, that would make me a narcissist. I don't do that, and keep a very low profile. If you're referring to KaibelfCorps, a linkshell that was created WAY back in the day (2003), and which was dissembled years ago (2006), then you're the one in the time warp. Catch up, and spare us all the lame personal attacks with zero substance. Take the useless bitching to AD.

2. The "WoW card" is just as valid today as it ever was. What's the point in whining incessantly about a game and the way it's run when you fail to provide a superior alternative, or a suggestion or solution? It's very easy to whine about others' work but a lot harder to do some of your own. You act like FFXI is the only game in town, and that somehow you're compelled to pay for it. Nah, you'd prefer to just complain complain complain, like a little bitch. And anonymously, at that. Pathetic.

[Draylo]

Whoosh?...

I dont know if you are a bigger idiot here or not, im not feeling great so im not gonna straight out accuse you because i might have missed something, but im pretty sure the mule wont need a cape, just his main character, who i would assume is level 30+.

Mule would have to travel to the areas though, it says you had to have been to the areas before you can teleport there. So it would be too much work to get a mule all the way to a area like ullegrand range on a 10 day trial but I guess people would like spending the hours to get there lol.

[Spekkio]

I'm not sure why people are so certain that this will count as zoning for Regain Feather. As previously stated, Teleport-crag does not count as a zone change when you are in that zone to begin with (mob will turn and head for your new location).

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII) (http://kanican.livejournal.com/28541.html)
my hypothesis is that this is because the data for enmity is stored on the mob while the player is the one doing the zoning. zoning seems to reset several variables including bard songs, light/dark arts and i think afflatus solace/misery. teleporting, even to the same zone, will reset these values (I THINK). the question then begs how the data for the mimeo stone is stored. will an intra-zone port break the rock or not? until this cape is released i don't think we can answer that question, though if i had to wager a guess, i'd bet yes.

[Aemora]

And if it didn't before, SE are going to read this thread and make sure you cannot obtain the Regain Feather when using this item now that you guys have totally exposed an exploit in the game mechanics.

[SephYuyX]

Awesome, cant wait for mine.

[Spider-Dan]

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII) (http://kanican.livejournal.com/28541.html)
His test does not show that teleports constitute zoning. In fact, if you did zone, you should be removed from the hate list; if you're on the top of a mob's hate list and you zone, you are removed from the list.

[Spekkio]

His test does not show that teleports constitute zoning. In fact, if you did zone, you should be removed from the hate list; if you're on the top of a mob's hate list and you zone, you are removed from the list.

his test doesn't show it. the fact that your on zone buffs clear (i'm 95% certain, i'll double check later) confirm that. that's the point i was making. i would have thought if it constituted a zone it SHOULD clear the player off the hate list if the player is at the top. my only guess is that the moment the player leaves the zone they re-enter never giving the mob a chance to not lock on to the player and as such never having a chance to dump them as an invalid entry in the hate list. think like how you can recast invisible in front of a mob without them detecting you. in the same stroke you destroy the invisible, you re-create it resulting in no finite interval of time in which you are not invisible and as such, no chance for the mob to detect. i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying that we can't determine if you are right or wrong at this point in time.

tbh, i hope you are right! ever since ANNMs have made divine sap and (i think) cursed beverages drop, getting a cursed item for a libation abjuration went from "yeah. sure." to "i wouldn't use it every day, but that would be a nice thing to keep in my toolkit for an emergency." this feather may represent another example of that via the advent of the cape. with the 40 hr cooldown, you could at best get 1 for just under every 2 days that goes by still making it a scarce good.

[jimbobsonofgod]

How will this work for training mobs across a zone. Have the party leader in a safe place have someone go aggro NM, then port to party leader? Will the port cause the mob to lose interest, will you not be able to use cape if you are on a mobs hate list, or is the NM gonna come barreling across a zone to the party?

[Red Demon Taoist]

1. If I went around preaching about how great I am, that would make me a narcissist. I don't do that, and keep a very low profile. If you're referring to KaibelfCorps, a linkshell that was created WAY back in the day (2003), and which was dissembled years ago (2006), then you're the one in the time warp. Catch up, and spare us all the lame personal attacks with zero substance. Take the useless bitching to AD.

2. The "WoW card" is just as valid today as it ever was. What's the point in whining incessantly about a game and the way it's run when you fail to provide a superior alternative, or a suggestion or solution? It's very easy to whine about others' work but a lot harder to do some of your own. You act like FFXI is the only game in town, and that somehow you're compelled to pay for it. Nah, you'd prefer to just complain complain complain, like a little bitch. And anonymously, at that. Pathetic.

Excuse me, Kaibelf, glorious leader of Alexander's notorious former cult.

Just because you've dismissed my complaints as insubstantial, doesn't mean they are. I'm not one of your cultists. You can't enforce your standards of living or gameplay on me.

I'm guessing the amount of people who HAVEN'T tried WoW in this forum is minimal. That's why the WoW card is irrelevant. Most FFXIers just plain don't care if other players play or have played WoW anymore. PC gamers try renowned PC games. How exactly does that make them inferior?

As it happens, I like FFXI better than WoW, so I play it.

As a paying subscriber, I have the right to voice my discontent with SE's latest methods of churning out poorly designed, single quest lines, and adding a price tag 100x their worth. I think it's unethical, and I have a right to my opinion.

Your freak show disbanded in 2006, so drop the condescending, self righteous, egomaniacal bullshit.

[Xno Kappa]

Get the fuck out of here with your psuedo-linkshell, FFXI vs. WoW, bullshit drama. :arrow:

One valid complaint I can see from this item is giving an advantage to those who spent $30 to claim Tiamat and such. Not so much as even claiming but more in gathering everyone.

[Virtuous Saint]

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII) (http://kanican.livejournal.com/28541.html)
my hypothesis is that this is because the data for enmity is stored on the mob while the player is the one doing the zoning. zoning seems to reset several variables including bard songs, light/dark arts and i think afflatus solace/misery. teleporting, even to the same zone, will reset these values (I THINK). the question then begs how the data for the mimeo stone is stored. will an intra-zone port break the rock or not? until this cape is released i don't think we can answer that question, though if i had to wager a guess, i'd bet yes.

ya but tractor doesn't work and it is the same zone (for stone quest thing).

[Corrderio]

Meh, Inventory -1 to me most of the time.


And if it didn't before, SE are going to read this thread and make sure you cannot obtain the Regain Feather when using this item now that you guys have totally exposed an exploit in the game mechanics.
Don't you lose the stones when you zone anyway? And you know this cape will give you that "Downloading Data" message.

[Spekkio]

ya but tractor doesn't work and it is the same zone (for stone quest thing).

tractor does not work as the stone is destroyed upon death i believe, not upon zoning, and being dead is a prerequisite for tractor, obviously.

[Kaslo]

btw I just got to thinking, I wonder how ASA sales are going... Could SE just have thrown this together when alot of people didn't buy ASA right away? >.> (though I personally like this item, the mini-expansions, their stories and their rewards, just saying.)

[Kaylia]

Seriously, what the fuck is this bullshit?

Why isn't this on a 2h recast, and given to every players? It would fix one of the biggest issue in this game, the downtime caused by slow ass people who takes forever to get anywhere.


Mog satchet, this, all 3 pieces of armor...that's 40$ for 5 items. It's the price of goddamn game.

[BRP]

Mog satchet, this, all 3 pieces of armor...that's 40$ for 5 items. It's the price of goddamn game.

Ignoring the mog satchel it is $20 and it comes with a whole goddamn game.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/83129-announcing-final-fantasy-xi-ultimate-collection-10-16-2009-a.html

[Kaeda]

The Ultimate Collection is actually why I haven't bothered to pre-order this final mini-expansion and a bunch of my friends are doing the same. If SE is really testing pre-orders before and after releasing augments, announcing the Ultimate Collection skewed their results a bit.

[Kaylia]

Ignoring the mog satchel it is $20 and it comes with a whole goddamn game.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/83129-announcing-final-fantasy-xi-ultimate-collection-10-16-2009-a.html

It's 30$ if you bought them already, unlesss I'm reading this line wrong

All characters under a single player account registered for all three add-ons will be eligible for this gift.


SE charging us for increased storage space and relatively useful teleport items is still retarded. You can make an argument that you're getting 30-40$ worth of content if you want, but seriously, compared to any gaming experience I had before, I feel ripped off.

[thatwasnifty]

I don't think this would be so bad if SE had spent time actually giving us content for the update and not just these little bullshitty notices about ASA, the pumpkin carving contest, the fan art contest, and the price of the new collection. It's been over a month since they announced the next update and they've given us a total of four teasers, whereas in the past they've always given us much more by this point. It's obnoxious and aggravating that they've spent so much time on these dumb little notices rather than providing useful information about the patch, which is all anyone really cares about.

[Corrderio]

I don't think this would be so bad if SE had spent time actually giving us content for the update and not just these little bullshitty notices about ASA, the pumpkin carving contest, the fan art contest, and the price of the new collection. It's been over a month since they announced the next update and they've given us a total of four teasers, whereas in the past they've always given us much more by this point. It's obnoxious and aggravating that they've spent so much time on these dumb little notices rather than providing useful information about the patch, which is all anyone really cares about.
I have to agree with this. Outside of update notes we got next to nothing worthwhile.

-Pumpkin Carving: who didn't see this happening again?

-Shantotto Art Contest: Fanboying it much SE?

-2 Trailers for ASA: Why not just add one? Also, see above.

-Inventory -1 cape a majority of the time: Maybe if you could invite anyone in the game regardless of what zone/region they're in this would be nice, but since you can't... *yawn*

-New nation quest info: Nice touch I guess

-Halloween event: Once again, knew it was going to happen.

Seriously, this new item system better deliver. SE has been spreading info out too thin to make this system suck total ass.

[travOtaku]

SE charging us for increased storage space and relatively useful teleport items is still retarded. You can make an argument that you're getting 30-40$ worth of content if you want, but seriously, compared to any gaming experience I had before, I feel ripped off.

Here we go again.

If you don't like it... don't buy it. If you bought the first mini-expansion thinking it would be amazing because SE promoted it to seem like it'd be worth 10 bucks, then shame on them. If you bought MKE knowing that the first one wasn't what anyone thought it would be, then shame on you. And if you already pre-ordered this upcoming one, then double shame on you. No one is forcing you to buy anything, and you're acting like a guy who's bitching because he never wins the slots but still puts quarters in until he's run himself dry anyway.

[Attila]

It's 30$ if you bought them already, unlesss I'm reading this line wrong



SE charging us for increased storage space and relatively useful teleport items is still retarded. You can make an argument that you're getting 30-40$ worth of content if you want, but seriously, compared to any gaming experience I had before, I feel ripped off.

Just because YOU still see it as paying for more storage space doesn't mean you are. You are purchasing the only thing they could come up with as a decent security measure for your account, and they attached a nice ingame reward to it. Perception =! Reality. You call it buying inventory, I call it "Let's make it so fucking irresitable to those whiny bastards that they'll buy it, and stop getting their fucking accounts hacked."

I'm not saying this whole thing is perfect and without flaw. But acting like SE is raping you with a broom handle having to get all the expansions is a little over the top.

[EternalSnow]

This would be useful for me since I'm always slow to stuff. ;;

[EternalSnow]

Now that I think about it. Wouldn't this be a great item to get to like the top of the atto chasm mountain or whtever too. lol

[Jornna]

What is this new item system people keep talking about?

[Destinye]

What is this new item system people keep talking about?

The thing they're going into detail about on day of update.

[Kaibelf]

Excuse me, Kaibelf, blah blah blah qq

Easy to talk big when you won't even reveal who you are, you pussy. Fuck yourself until you earn a place at the grown-up table.

[Nemesio]

They could have at least made it have an original artwork XD

[dejet]

The issue is every fucking time they try something like this, it becomes a dumb tease because it could have been right and awesome, but SE figures out a couple ways to make it worthless. Case in point not working in any area actually far out of the way, and having a 40 hour timer.

It's a nice little one-timer, but it could have been incredibly useful. We're teased and suddenly think of all the useful applications and now we can't do that. Insert rage here.

1)99% of the people who bought the other two would of got this one
2) this was not planed so its something extra and does have a use

Its not rare you find yourself falling behind in a pt unless you never go afk. I use to do stuff in groups and go afk way ahead of time and with my pt set up. all someone would have to do is pass me lead and they could of been in the zone right away.

The feather would be one hell of a nice item to gain, as what it does is hot shit, but really Ill just pop it into my bag and when the time comes I have a item to speed things up.

Everyone in this thread bitching better of never been late to one window of aspid or KB because they where on the way. Or been late to any of the camps posted as you made 5 others wait longer as you walked. or hell you clicked yourself off the chobo in the bay thinking it was a dungeon. It has a lot of uses. SE does not want items you buy to be broken, how is that a bad thing? Would you rather they give out a relic for $19.99?

If by some godsend this works with the feather the back will be called broken and people will bitch about how they have to spend the money to get a item they cant get without

A)spending $20
B)POS hack.

SE is doing a great job for items that they sell WITH outside game items. Its nothing that breaks the games and that is a great thing, so far nothing they have posted as DLC is a must have or you suck.

[Kaylia]

Here we go again.

If you don't like it... don't buy it. If you bought the first mini-expansion thinking it would be amazing because SE promoted it to seem like it'd be worth 10 bucks, then shame on them. If you bought MKE knowing that the first one wasn't what anyone thought it would be, then shame on you. And if you already pre-ordered this upcoming one, then double shame on you. No one is forcing you to buy anything, and you're acting like a guy who's bitching because he never wins the slots but still puts quarters in until he's run himself dry anyway.
Wrong. I didn't buy any of that garbage, it was obviously not worth the money. I quit the game instead of suffering through more halfassed content.

I'm not complaining because they are asking us to pay for content, that's normal. I'm complaining because they are asking us to pay for shit that enhance the gameplay, and should be normal addition to the game.

If you are able to justify the price tag on these items, it's time for you to start looking at what other company offer you for the same price.



Just because YOU still see it as paying for more storage space doesn't mean you are. You are purchasing the only thing they could come up with as a decent security measure for your account, and they attached a nice ingame reward to it. Perception =! Reality. You call it buying inventory, I call it "Let's make it so fucking irresitable to those whiny bastards that they'll buy it, and stop getting their fucking accounts hacked."

Want to take bet how many people would have bought it if it didnt have storage space?

Account security token is the H1N1's vaccine of gaming. It's just good to scare the crowd.

[dejet]

Wrong. I didn't buy any of that garbage, it was obviously not worth the money. I quit the game instead of suffering through more halfassed content.

I'm not complaining because they are asking us to pay for content, that's normal. I'm complaining because they are asking us to pay for shit that enhance the gameplay, and should be normal addition to the game.

If you are able to justify the price tag on these items, it's time for you to start looking at what other company offer you for the same price.



Want to take bet how many people would have bought it if it didnt have storage space?

Account security token is the H1N1's vaccine of gaming. It's just good to scare the crowd.

It was meant to keep people safe and almost force them. I do not think they made all that much money off the token. WOW asked like 6-7 right? and that is with tons more people buying them. SE prob could not get them for as cheap with only say 300,000 buyers vs 20mil or whatever nuts number wow had.

Buying in bulk tends to make things cheaper as an FYI.+

SE wanted to stop having to role back accounts. This was a very good fix, it was a cheap way to keep your account safe and more then likely spend less on SE's part rolling back 500 accounts a day. I liked the last add on, 1st one sucked if you ask me but the 2nd was not that bad. I did not buy any of the outside stuff, but as I said I think SE made a decent item for outside items with in game items. Nothing breaks the game, as for the DLC items are nice but again nothing game breaking that you cant mostly get inside the game.

Stop the bitching, I am happy you quit and have whatever life you have now. People buy it and enjoy it like I have. Others bitch its the way of life. Today being election day should show you how much people bitch, just wait and see who loses a zone. turn the TV on and watch the bitch fest.

Only people who really have a right to bitch about the token are the ps2/xbox 360 users. They for the most part are about as safe as you can get. If indeed you only play on that.

edit: Stop being so fucking full of yourself, what you think is good others do not. Your word is not gods word. Shut up and let others have fun, hell you have even less meaning then the gimps we post on this forum. At least they still play. I fact I would take their word on whats good over yours just because of that fact.

edit2: bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. I said it to little in my real post.

[Destinye]

Wrong. I didn't buy any of that garbage, it was obviously not worth the money. I quit the game instead of suffering through more halfassed content.

Why are you still browsing FFXI related threads and offer your "opinion" on FFXI related stuff if you no longer play? o.O



If you are able to justify the price tag on these items, it's time for you to start looking at what other company offer you for the same price.

$20.

For $20 you can barely get a nice meal at decent restaurants, in terms of gaming, for $20 you don't even get a new game..you have to wait months to a year to get a new game for that price and with the Ultimate Collection, you get:

FFXI - Which costs us who played since 2002 around $50 (even more if you imported)
Zilart - Which again, those of us who played since 2002 had to buy this separately in 2003 which was another $20+

CoP - Which was around $40

ToAU - Which was up to $50

WoTG - Which was up to $40

Add-ons - $30

Security Token - $10

...but for the Ultimate Collection..you get everything except the security token for $20. Can you justify how $20 is "too much"? Or a waste of money? You have to be severely jaded to think paying $20 is a lot less worthwhile than paying $245+(excluding monthly fees) for the same items.







Want to take bet how many people would have bought it if it didnt have storage space?

Account security token is the H1N1's vaccine of gaming. It's just good to scare the crowd.

People who cared for their accounts would and I'm pretty sure the majority of people would have gotten the token that cared for their accounts since does extra security REALLY hurt? No it doesn't. Is it needed? No, but since you want to compared it to the H1N1 vaccine, do you NEED the swine flu vaccine? No you don't, but if you get it does it help? You bet your ass it would help.

[Dizzy]

People who are complaining about the functionality and limitations of this item consider this: if SE had made this as powerful & useful as you want it to be (1hr recast, warp to any zone, whatever), then everyone would be bitching about SE RMTing and forcing players to spend 20bux on a cape that everyone will be expected to have.

I was going to get the vana 09 collection for the 3 mini-expansions anyway, so this is a nice addition.

[Kaylia]

It was meant to keep people safe and almost force them. I do not think they made all that much money off the token. WOW asked like 6-7 right? and that is with tons more people buying them. SE prob could not get them for as cheap with only say 300,000 buyers vs 20mil or whatever nuts number wow had.

Poor SquareEnix. :(




edit: Stop being so fucking full of yourself, what you think is good others do not. Your word is not gods word. Shut up and let others have fun, hell you have even less meaning then the gimps we post on this forum. At least they still play. I fact I would take their word on whats good over yours just because of that fact.
The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.



Why are you still browsing FFXI related threads and offer your "opinion" on FFXI related stuff if you no longer play? o.O

Because I have a ton of friends in game, and would like to come back eventually to finish the story if SE stop shitting on us? Because it's fun to watch a train wreck? Because after spending 7 years in this game, I'm curious to see what it's becomming? It's like wondering wtf your ex is doing.

Why do you think it's strange to browse FFXI related thread when you no longer play?




$20.

For $20 you can barely get a nice meal at decent restaurants, in terms of gaming, for $20 you don't even get a new game..you have to wait months to a year to get a new game for that price and with the Ultimate Collection, you get:

FFXI - Which costs us who played since 2002 around $50 (even more if you imported)
Zilart - Which again, those of us who played since 2002 had to buy this separately in 2003 which was another $20+

CoP - Which was around $40

ToAU - Which was up to $50

WoTG - Which was up to $40

Add-ons - $30

Security Token - $10

...but for the Ultimate Collection..you get everything except the security token for $20. Can you justify how $20 is "too much"? Or a waste of money? You have to be severely jaded to think paying $20 is a lot less worthwhile than paying $245+(excluding monthly fees) for the same items.
First of all, I'm not particularly rich. I'm still studying, and most of my expense come directly from my loan. I don't spend 20$ on a meal, unless courtesy force me to go eat it somewhere.

Either way, I'm not arguing that 20$ is a lot of money, it's not for most people. I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.




People who cared for their accounts would and I'm pretty sure the majority of people would have gotten the token that cared for their accounts since does extra security REALLY hurt? No it doesn't. Is it needed? No, but since you want to compared it to the H1N1 vaccine, do you NEED the swine flu vaccine? No you don't, but if you get it does it help? You bet your ass it would help.
It's a minority of people who get hacked. They are loud and post on forum when it happens, but it's still not common. You're probably looking at 1% of population. On this, there is a good chunk who mistrusted people with account info or had no security on their PC. In the event you get hacked, SE should be able to fix your account now. What is the risk we are talking about in the end? There is one, but people make it sound much worse than it is? So yes, it's safer, but was it really unsafe before?


I compared it to the vaccine because people consider the worst case scenario without calculating any risks involved.

[Kaslo]

The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.


No your experience was nullified when you quit and still continue to QQ like a bitch over a FUCKING GAME.

[dejet]

Poor SquareEnix. :(




The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.



Because I have a ton of friends in game, and would like to come back eventually to finish the story if SE stop shitting on us? Because it's fun to watch a train wreck? Because after spending 7 years in this game, I'm curious to see what it's becomming? It's like wondering wtf your ex is doing.

Why do you think it's strange to browse FFXI related thread when you no longer play?




First of all, I'm not particularly rich. I'm still studying, and most of my expense come directly from my loan. I don't spend 20$ on a meal, unless courtesy force me to go eat it somewhere.

Either way, I'm not arguing that 20$ is a lot of money, it's not for most people. I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.




It's a minority of people who get hacked. They are loud and post on forum when it happens, but it's still not common. You're probably looking at 1% of population. On this, there is a good chunk who mistrusted people with account info or had no security on their PC. In the event you get hacked, SE should be able to fix your account now. What is the risk we are talking about in the end? There is one, but people make it sound much worse than it is? So yes, it's safer, but was it really unsafe before?


I compared it to the vaccine because people consider the worst case scenario without calculating any risks involved.

yes to all. now go.

when I can log into 5 linkshells over my time and have been told by over 10 people I play with that they got hacked its a big deal. Idc if their own doing or them not being safe on the net. It still stands its not rare. In fact I got a 75 rdm just about free when someone got hacked. He rolled it back but lost a ton of shit including most the the CoP quests he did up to sea. He said screw it and gave it to me for like 5 HQ staffs.

next we move onto you have quit. What you say now has no merit to what SE should do. Players who PAY them have a say. So their words(gimps who pay) have more say then you do, no matter how long you have played in the past. Logic for ya bud.

I quit the game and did keep on posting, I am back now that school has cooled down a bit. When I was not playing I did keep an eye on the forums, mostly the fishing ones but ya I did.

[Kaylia]

No your experience was nullified when you quit and still continue to QQ like a bitch over a FUCKING GAME.
Oh, thanks for clarifying it. It makes much more sense now.

It's hilarious to see what some of you would do to get pounded in the ass by SE. The almighty SE can do no wrong.

[Kaylia]

when I can log into 5 linkshells over my time and have been told by over 10 people I play with that they got hacked its a big deal. Idc if their own doing or them not being safe on the net. It still stands its not rare. In fact I got a 75 rdm just about free when someone got hacked. He rolled it back but lost a ton of shit including most the the CoP quests he did up to sea. He said screw it and gave it to me for like 5 HQ staffs.

next we move onto you have quit. What you say now has no merit to what SE should do. Players who PAY them have a say. So their words(gimps who pay) have more say then you do, no matter how long you have played in the past. Logic for ya bud.

I quit the game and did keep on posting, I am back now that school has cooled down a bit. When I was not playing I did keep an eye on the forums, mostly the fishing ones but ya I did.
So, I logged in on my 10 linkshells, and 20 peoples told me they were hacked. One of them got roll backed so far his pentatrust give him back 60tp.


I gave SquareEnix over 1k over the years, and would be willing to give them more if they changed. Yes, I do have something to say as a customer. Beside, what I'm saying now and what I was saying before I quit didn't change. I don't follow your logic here.


[edit]
Using your logic, Squareenix shouldnt ask people why they are quitting the game, since they are not customer anymore? The whole idea behind a mmo is to keep people online for as long as you can..so yes, SE should listen to angry players who leave just as much, if not more, than their current playerbase.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

SE should listen to players leaving the game, and you should keep your rubbernecking inside the car.

But we all know neither are going to start happening.

[Kerberoz]

Oh, thanks for clarifying it. It makes much more sense now.

It's hilarious to see what some of you would do to get pounded in the ass by SE. The almighty SE can do no wrong.
Sums up those who still takes XI seriously + everyone planning on playing XIV. How much anal rape does it take to break a fanboy?

[dejet]

So, I logged in on my 10 linkshells, and 20 peoples told me they were hacked. One of them got roll backed so far his pentatrust give him back 60tp.


I gave SquareEnix over 1k over the years, and would be willing to give them more if they changed. Yes, I do have something to say as a customer. Beside, what I'm saying now and what I was saying before I quit didn't change. I don't follow your logic here.


[edit]
Using your logic, Squareenix shouldnt ask people why they are quitting the game, since they are not customer anymore? The whole idea behind a mmo is to keep people online for as long as you can..so yes, SE should listen to players who leave just as much, if not more, than their current playerbase.

Ok maybe I went to far in saying that you have no say. I will give you that. However if you have 300,000 players 10,000 quit.

that leaves 290,000 players that are PAYING. I am going for the most part going to follow the paying people. People who quit you will try and cater to, however you will first and foremost aim for the ones who are paying you. in other words, the gimps still have more say.

[Corrderio]

Sums up those who still takes XI seriously + everyone planning on playing XIV. How much anal rape does it take to break a fanboy?
Not enough to break a fanboy sadly.

[BRP]

I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.

What $20 dollars can get you "in the gaming industry" is very random. Almost impossible to pin-point. I can get thousands of dollars worth of the "gaming industry" while spending nothing. What might have cost me x might eventually cost me the much cheaper y, even within a day. Trying to make some formulaic exchange between "content" and money is even sillier. The kind of content one wants to is going to vary from man to man, animal to animal. 20 dollars could get me several JRPG PS2 titles at gamestop or it can make a memorable night at the arcade with a bunch of pro players. The former is clearly inferior despite having more "content," but there are those would prefer it.

If you weigh your options as a buyer you should go for whatever option provides(or you instinctively feel will provide) the most entertainment and pleasure. Such a decision could only be made on a personal level because those options will always be different for everyone else. So basically: nothing to argue about.

Now what would be useful and applicable to everyone is why exactly this game or set of games isn't satisfying, price excluded. From there someone can use that criticism for their own situation.

There are plenty of reasons why one might say the mini-expansions aren't worth it and is has nothing to do with "play length." What you actually do in them(or in FFXI in general) could be called simple and boring, but not entirely. The fact you only value the in-game item rewards that come with it is just saying you don't appreciate the actual content, which is fair. (Though it is utterly retarded. The question is what is retarded. The player or the game?)

[Kaylia]

Ok maybe I went to far in saying that you have no say. I will give you that. However if you have 300,000 players 10,000 quit.

that leaves 290,000 players that are PAYING. I am going for the most part going to follow the paying people. People who quit you will try and cater to, however you will first and foremost aim for the ones who are paying you. in other words, the gimps still have more say.
Yeah, these 290 000 are raging fanboy who would eat any turd offered by SE. Why would they do anything for them? It's easier to just take the money. Instead, you can spend your time making crappy figurine and cheap jewelry, it's a much better income. Apparently, they might sell a Upper Jeuno and Safehold miniatures soon, and if you buy both, they are removing the invisible wall near the exit.

Ok, I know I'm exagerating since most people who stay in the game are doing so because of their friends (which is also the reason why I endured this torture for so long), but there is still a limit to how little they can give us for 13$ per months (or 10$/mini quest).

When they start selling out their answers to major complaint (ie: lack of inventory space, time spent to walk to your party), you should realize they aren't trying anymore to give you content. And stop deluding yourself that I'm the only one who complained about these things, it's been a major issue for a very long time.

[Kaslo]

Yeah, these 290 000 are raging fanboy who would eat any turd offered by SE. Why would they do anything for them? It's easier to just take the money. Instead, you can spend your time making crappy figurine and cheap jewelry, it's a much better income. Apparently, they might sell a Upper Jeuno and Safehold miniatures soon, and if you buy both, they are removing the invisible wall near the exit.


Dude really GTFO already, no one cares about your Troll-like arguing. I may be a fanboy, but not a FFXI-SE fanboy. I will try any RPG Square makes because I have enjoyed most every one of them. I'm not defending SE here, just saying I'm tired of you're endless QQing about paying $10.00 for an item. Personally I bought the mini-expansions for the stories. I love just about every SE story. While with ACP I couldn't follow it really, I loved AMK for it's silliness. And the only in-game item I bought not from an expansion was the Security Token and its for when I play FFXI on my computer (though usually I just stick to my console cause I hate booting into windows) for the security, the inventory space was an awesome bonus though.

tl;dr: here is the next SE statue just for you: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/thumb/f/f7/Troll_(FFXI).jpg/104px-Troll_(FFXI).jpg

[Kaylia]

What $20 dollars can get you "in the gaming industry" is very random. Almost impossible to pin-point. I can get thousands of dollars worth of the "gaming industry" while spending nothing. What might have cost me x might eventually cost me the much cheaper y, even within a day. Trying to make some formulaic exchange between "content" and money is even sillier. The kind of content one wants to is going to vary from man to man, animal to animal. 20 dollars could get me several JRPG PS2 titles at gamestop or it can make a memorable night at the arcade with a bunch of pro players. The former is clearly inferior despite having more "content," but there are those would prefer it.

Now what would be useful and applicable to everyone is why exactly this game or set of games isn't satisfying, price excluded. From there someone can use that criticism for their own situation.

There are plenty of reasons why one might say the mini-expansions aren't worth it and is has nothing to do with "play length." What you actually do in them(or in FFXI in general) could be called simple and boring, but not entirely. The fact you only value the in-game item rewards that come with it is just saying you don't appreciate the actual content, which is fair. (Though it is utterly retarded. The question is what is retarded. The player or the game?)
I used the more convenient 40$ figures in every others post (3 mini expansions + security id), but what I'm saying is that for this price, I believe almost everyone would be able to find better content than what SE gave us. You can go to the arcade with friends, and I will buy j-rpgs, but chance is, we will get more out of it than these 3 shitty scenario.


I'm not talking about "play length", I'm talking about quality of the content. Play length mean absolutely nothing, otherwise, farming my ridill and morrigan pants was the best thing ever. These add-on feel extremely cheap compared to the ingame contents (everything is reused, script wasn't good, and 90% of the time is spent doing task everyone hats)

I value only the reward item in the end, because sincerely, only a minority enjoyed these expansions. Most peoples who bought it did it for completition sake and/or the items near the end.

[Kaylia]

Personally I bought the mini-expansions for the stories.
I youtube'd the cutscenes, read the script, and imagined myself running around delkfut tower and la theigne. As much as I liked normal expansion story (or even quest like serpent general), they did feel subpar and unimportant compared to what we get normally.

Also, I for one, hope that you're always up to date with missions. Otherwise, you're a big liar.

[Jornna]

Really, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone what they can, and can't enjoy.

You didn't like it, you quit, good for you, move on. Doesnt give you a right to tell people they are stupid for enjoying it.

[Kaylia]

Really, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone what they can, and can't enjoy.

You didn't like it, you quit, good for you, move on. Doesnt give you a right to tell people they are stupid for enjoying it.

I'm not. I'm bitching at SquareEnix's method, and people are defending them.... I don't give shit if you like them or not, that's your problem. It's not like you can tell stockholm syndrome's victim they are wrong, because they do like their aggressor.

[Jornna]

Well, they way ive always seen it, bitching side ways will never get you anywhere. If you want things to change, you need to bitch upward.

[Corrderio]

I'm not. I'm bitching at SquareEnix's method, and people are defending them.... I don't give shit if you like them or not, that's your problem. It's not like you can tell stockholm syndrome's victim they are wrong, because they do like their aggressor.
SE doesn't care about what you think, nor do they care what the people who still play the game think. They've proved this enough times already and do whatever they want.

[Kaylia]

SE doesn't care about what you think, nor do they care what the people who still play the game think. They've proved this enough times already and do whatever they want.
We told them AV was unkillable, and they were nice enough to give us a video! They are totally listening.


But seriously, I agree, and that's what piss me off the most about SE. I'm not asking to be spoon fed, but there is so many obvious improvement (sometime minors, other time majors) that could easily be done, it's annoying to see them not care.


If every other ingame problems were solved during normal update, I wouldn't give a shit about these add-on, but lately, it feels like they are starving us on the purpose of selling more "outside" material. The mog satchet was probably the biggest slap in the face for me.

[Xno Kappa]

I just wanted to chime in that the majority of the whole "RMT-haxed accounts conspiracy" nonsense can be attributed to player stupidity. $10 for a security token is just SE taking advantage of paranoid players. That being said, it's ridiculous I would have to spend $10 for +inventory space when I couldn't care less about their "security" token. It would only be fair if they also added an in-game quest for it considering how many years the player-base was bitching for something of this nature.

[Corrderio]

We told them AV was unkillable, and they were nice enough to give us a video! They are totally listening.


But seriously, I agree, and that's what piss me off the most about SE. I'm not asking to be spoon fed, but there is so many obvious improvement (sometime minors, other time majors) that could easily be done, it's annoying to see them not care.


If every other ingame problem were solved during normal update, I wouldn't give a shit about these add-on, but lately, it feels like they are starving us on purpose of selling more "outside" material. The mog satchet was probably the biggest slap in the face for me.
I do have to agree with this, I do know the whole "If you don't like it then don't buy it" card holds some water but still. With some of the unique/good combos you can get from Addon rewards you pretty much need to get them. And with how poor the stories are it's obvious they only did this to milk money from us. Seriously ACP made no sense at all. And I will agree the real driving point for a security token for me was for the satchel.

Personally, I hope XIV doesn't pull this shit when it comes out.

[Carlyle]

Interesting but it's just too little too late.

[Kaslo]

I youtube'd the cutscenes, read the script, and imagined myself running around delkfut tower and la theigne. As much as I liked normal expansion story (or even quest like serpent general), they did feel subpar and unimportant compared to what we get normally.

Also, I for one, hope that you're always up to date with missions. Otherwise, you're a big liar.

I usually am, except as of late I have gotten behind on WOTG because Law School has been especially busy the last like 6 months and I have been only able to play for like 3-5 hours a week, usually only for limbus.

[Mirage]

I just wanted to chime in that the majority of the whole "RMT-haxed accounts conspiracy" nonsense can be attributed to player stupidity. $10 for a security token is just SE taking advantage of paranoid players. That being said, it's ridiculous I would have to spend $10 for +inventory space when I couldn't care less about their "security" token. It would only be fair if they also added an in-game quest for it considering how many years the player-base was bitching for something of this nature.

Well, shipping that security token to where I live might actually cost close to $10, so I'm not really sure if they actually made a profit worth mentioning.

[Sho]

I best not be seeing you on mah FFXIVs, Kaylia. :O

[dejet]

I'm not. I'm bitching at SquareEnix's method, and people are defending them.... I don't give shit if you like them or not, that's your problem. It's not like you can tell stockholm syndrome's victim they are wrong, because they do like their aggressor.

FFXI is all but dead with 14 on the way, SE is giving us toys to play with for extra money, who the hell cares? you want them to stop their full steam ahead order on 14 to keep 11 going? you of all people who quit, I would think would want them to work on 14. This stuff is coming out to cater to the people who still play. SE needs to make money off 11 to keep running it.

Stuff like this that people buy lets them do so, at the same time it adds things to the game. the aug system was a cool idea(like random stuff for redoing fights). or a shot at the best back for a smn off a fast run quest up in that tower.

If it was not for people buying what you think is crap FFXI would be stagnant. I have fun with this stuff, I logged on for the moogle stuff when I had not played in a fairly long time. It was fast quests with a pimping final fight. 1st add on the only stuff worth it was the gob fight and the final fight if you ask me.

In the end I think it comes down to SE giving player's stuff to hold them over til 14 comes out and keep FF11 worth their time.

I do not log on anymore to do namis really or even limbus. If I am on when my shell is doing it i take part in it. I however will make time for when the add on comes out to do it.

Edit: I have to ask you this, have you ever taken a basic economics class. What you are saying is the foundation of owning a business. This might just not be a product for you. All you are doing is saying it in one of the most mean ways.

[dejet]

Well, shipping that security token to where I live might actually cost close to $10, so I'm not really sure if they actually made a profit worth mentioning.

Again lets do some basic math, ok?

SE 300,000 players at $10 each.

$10x300,000 = 3,000,000

wow

20,000,000 players at $6 each screw the 20,000,000 lets just say only 20% bought the darn thing

$6x4,000,000 = 24,000,000

you tell me who the hell is screwing over their players for money now?

SE had to of sold a hell of a lot less then WoW, so odds are they could not get a deal as good as them.

[Vandalhart]

Hrm.. Will this be given to all characters on an account?
It would make getting my mules to Jeuno faster (one's already been there), just get someone to invite in the Chocobo Circuit (unless there's an added restriction to that zone). You'd still have to do the run to Jeuno, and I guess I'd have to get the characters to level 30.. but knowing that I have the option eventually is nice.

I'm glad I grabbed an Anniversary Ring for my mules way back. That should make getting to 30 easier if I decide to do it. I also did a supply run to Valkurm for Sandy/Bastok fame before heading to Jeuno. I already have to level them to 10 to use the Moogle Warps if they are available.

[Kaylia]

I best not be seeing you on mah FFXIVs, Kaylia. :O

Probably not, but I'm all for paying 40$+12*x and having a huge world to explore, with a complex lore. Plus, there is the whole friends aspect that is beyond my control, and is the main reason why I play mmo.

One thing for sure if I end up playing, I'm definitively out the moment they stop giving us worthwhile update, because that's when shit hit the fan.




FFXI is all but dead with 14 on the way, SE is giving us toys to play with for extra money, who the hell cares? you want them to stop their full steam ahead order on 14 to keep 11 going? you of all people who quit, I would think would want them to work on 14. This stuff is coming out to cater to the people who still play. SE needs to make money off 11 to keep running it.
There is a word for this, and it's called "selling", and the virtual items you're talking about take approximatively 10 minutes to create. The production cost of these scenario is extremely small compared to price tag if you include the montly fee you're paying as well.





If it was not for people buying what you think is crap FFXI would be stagnant. I have fun with this stuff, I logged on for the moogle stuff when I had not played in a fairly long time. It was fast quests with a pimping final fight. 1st add on the only stuff worth it was the gob fight and the final fight if you ask me.

They are not losing money. If people were leaving, they would be forced to revamp many things to keep players from quitting. Look how much every other MMO improved when players started leaving. StarWars Galaxy, Age of Conan...etc...all of them were revamped completely in an attempt to stop the leak.




Edit: I have to ask you this, have you ever taken a basic economics class. What you are saying is the foundation of owning a business. This might just not be a product for you. All you are doing is saying it in one of the most mean ways.
Social sciences can go rot somewhere else, and it doesn't take a major in economy to understand how capitalism works. Your statement is ridiculous

I will ask you the same question, because apparently, you don't seem to understand that when the customer refuse to buy something, the company has to change its approach to increase its sales. "I have to buy to support the company" is a fucking retarded mentality when they are still making ton of money from a product. They will take as much as you're willing to give, and apparently, you are willing to give them money for crap with sugar coating.

[Dragir]

No your experience was nullified when you quit and still continue to QQ like a bitch over a FUCKING GAME.

People who say things like this seem to have forgetten that it's also hundreds, sometimes thousands (at this point) of someone's hard-earned money, as well as time invested... or they just don't care about their own time and money. In which case, they're probably wasting someone else's. -_-

[Kaslo]

People who say things like this seem to have forgetten that it's also hundreds, sometimes thousands (at this point) of someone's hard-earned money, as well as time invested... or they just don't care about their own time and money. In which case, they're probably wasting someone else's. -_-

If he hadn't quit I would feel more about that...

[Kaylia]

If he hadn't quit I would feel more about that...
Your opinion is clearly invalid. You suffer from bias because you're addicted to the game.

Prove me wrong.


(I too can uses fallacies to discredit opinion)