Chocobo Raising questions

[Auspice]

I finally decided to raise another chocobo and had some questions. I've read a lot that it's better to breed through multiple generations to get a better chocobo, is it possible to have a choco with maxed out stats in EVERYTHING with just a few generations? I already have a bird with 2nd rank speed and 3rd rand endurance, would this be good enough to breed with a discernment and receptivity to get a great all around bird?

As for abilities, I need gallop if I want a fast choco to ride in the field, correct? I also want to be able to do the hot and cold game so will I need a 2nd bird with bore(or do I want burrow?) and treasure finder? Plus I'd still like a bird to be able to race with. The one I have now keeps getting destroyed in a lot of the harder races.

Thanks in advance, I'm just now starting to really dig in to researching this stuff. >_<

[Frenzy]

I finally decided to raise another chocobo and had some questions. I've read a lot that it's better to breed through multiple generations to get a better chocobo, is it possible to have a choco with maxed out stats in EVERYTHING with just a few generations? I already have a bird with 2nd rank speed and 3rd rand endurance, would this be good enough to breed with a discernment and receptivity to get a great all around bird?

Doesn't matter. Cap is at 640 points with 30 points per level, you can get two stats to first-class, but not a third (you can get the third to about B or A). Parent stats won't give you a head start, although parents can give color and abilities to their offspring.
All birds start at F (poor), the rest is raising, for the most part.

As for abilities, I need gallop if I want a fast choco to ride in the field, correct? I also want to be able to do the hot and cold game so will I need a 2nd bird with bore(or do I want burrow?) and treasure finder? Plus I'd still like a bird to be able to race with. The one I have now keeps getting destroyed in a lot of the harder races.

Galopp and Canter only take effect during Chocobo Raising. For normal riding you want a bird with maxed out speed and at least average Endurance, for Hot and Cold you only need Treasure Finder (Bore and Burrow only take effect during Digging).
So ideally you breed the bird to have Treasure Finder at birth (both parents knowing that ability and only that one should give you the best chance for Treasure Finder) and then raise Str and End to max. Otherwise, you'll have to raise Discernment to about average and learn the ability from the story.
For raising you'll want a Chocobo with Galopp, Canter and very high Str, as well as some levels in the other three stats.
Trying to combine both raising styles isn't very effective, though you can use your racer for Hot and Cold (just makes it a bit more difficult). Raise another bird after the first. They won't interfere with each other, one is registered on your whistle and the other on the race track.

Thanks in advance, I'm just now starting to really dig in to researching this stuff. >_<

Don't use otherwiki's articles, though the forum has a few helpful topics.

[Auspice]

Thanks for all the tips, would a digger/hot and cold chocobo be completely worthless in racing though? Also, what sources should I use if not otherwiki?

I guess I can't get around needing to raise at least two more birds then. Hmm.

[Frenzy]

Thanks for all the tips, would a digger/hot and cold chocobo be completely worthless in racing though?

More or less, yes.

Also, what sources should I use if not otherwiki?

Take a look at their forum, Tinuvael's posts are generally helpful (so sometimes a bit more complex than needed). There also a few topics here, I think.
Otherwise just ask, Chocobo Raising isn't really expensive or difficult (unless you go for a maxed out racer)

I guess I can't get around needing to raise at least two more birds then. Hmm.

Something you can already do with the bird you have: Free Races. Your Choco should have won the Novice Races. You bird won't be really successfull, but a race here and there for Chocobo Bucks (exchangable for neat raising stuff) can't hurt.

[Not Kuno]

Thanks for all the tips, would a digger/hot and cold chocobo be completely worthless in racing though?

More or less, yes.

Also, what sources should I use if not otherwiki?

Take a look at their forum, Tinuvael's posts are generally helpful (so sometimes a bit more complex than needed). There also a few topics here, I think.
Otherwise just ask, Chocobo Raising isn't really expensive or difficult (unless you go for a maxed out racer)

[quote:39i7zfw6]I guess I can't get around needing to raise at least two more birds then. Hmm.

Something you can already do with the bird you have: Free Races. Your Choco should have won the Novice Races. You bird won't be really successfull, but a race here and there for Chocobo Bucks (exchangable for neat raising stuff) can't hurt.[/quote:39i7zfw6]

Getting into the Circuit is annoying cause each Official Race is one a day max + requires points. They were really easy for me, as they were alot easier then the assholes like StarOnion + co. They do need chocobucks to race in them though, so if you doubt your abilities you can always just stockpile them.

[Vigilia]

Would it be completely worthless to raise a bird with Treasure Finder and either Canter or Gallop to use for racing? I really want to try out some racing but don't want to give up my "Kweh?!" for Hot and Cold game either.

[Frenzy]

With the right chocobo Star Onion is a pussy. I make 36 Chocobucks per eight races. It just takes time and many, many free races to get such a chocobo.
I'd wish that they'd automate the Free Race's cutscenes like the Adventurer Race's ones, having to click through the intro and outro is extremely annoying after so many races.
And I'd wish for something to do with the victory points, I now have over 800 of them (a snazzy coat like the racing officials would be great).

[Frenzy]

Would it be completely worthless to raise a bird with Treasure Finder and either Canter or Gallop to use for racing? I really want to try out some racing but don't want to give up my "Kweh?!" for Hot and Cold game either.

I'd say, yes, it'd be worthless (but I'm a very serious racer). Question is could you get past the Mission's Races with such a bird, the Adventurer Races (which a much more random) are indeed a little bit more doable than the fixed races beforehand, especially if you don't have aspirations for the Crystal Stakes.

You could try, all you stand to lose is some time.
Try to breed a bird that already has one of the three abilities, then use "Walk in Town" and "Carry Packages" till Str and End is max, afterwards use the "Digging" plan till Dis is average (should be doable within 64 days, you'll see End dropping) to learn the other ability you want. (Stop at this point if your Chocobo does well enough for you and you wish to save money.)
Do Free Races and help along with the training tokens ("raise desired stat" is 80 Chocobucks, it takes about seven tokens to raise a stat one level). Afterwards think about raising Rec with training tokens (a well-balanced Chocobo with max Str works well in the Adventurer Races).

And do Hot and Cold, even without the ability. It's free afterall and the extra money is nice, too. You can also get some helpfull raising stuff.

[Vigilia]

Thanks for the tips.

[Tatsuko]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Chocobo_Raising

That is a pretty good thread that covers raising, stats, etc explanations. GL

[Frenzy]

Half of which is nothing more but an unmarked ("copyvio" in Wikipedia terms) copy of SE's Chocobo Raising Page. (Not going into the "color from stats" thing -.-)

[Auspice]

Chick hatched today with max affection(took forever to watch over the egg 100 times lol). Going to try to train up discernment enough to get Gallop and Canter then max out strength and endurance. I really really hope this baby turns out red. :D

[Frenzy]

You should max out Str and End first, the other way around is a lot harder and inefficent. You'd have average Discernment at around day 30 (when it becomes an adult), which is enough to learn both stories without too much hassle, but you won't have both stories available to learn. So you can't raise End (which is a bitch to raise), cause it would lower Dis, and you'd lose precious raising days.

I'd suggest the strategy I gave above:
Walk in Town during chick phase
Carry Packages till Str maxes out (I generally give it five more days after Str is first First-Class)
Switch to Digging till Dis is about average (support with reading the appropriate stories, when you have them, if you don't have them, get them first).
Let Chocobo idle with Basic Care till the two stories have been learned.
Think about doing Free Races to help the stats a bit along with training.

The stories you want are from Hantileon (Galopp) and Brutus (Canter, only meetable on the long walk sharing with one of the trainers, annoying to get).

Good Luck with the raising.

[Auspice]

Cool, I'll follow that plan to a T, hopefully it works out great plus I got the gallop story yesterday while taking a walk.

[Auspice]

Sorry to double post and bump this back up but I've got more questions and didn't think there was a point in making a new thread.

My choco just turned to an adolescent so now it's time to start the major training. I've been on basic care throughout it's time as a chick and feeding it 3x vomp carrots daily except when it got sick. I want to teach it digging moves, is now the time I want to get discernment up to the right level or should I keep grinding strength/endurance?

Since it didn't turn out to be red I want to use this one for digging so did I waste all those vomp carrots? I guess I'm just not sure exactly how to max out all the stats I can at this point.

Thanks again for answering my questions!

[Frenzy]

My choco just turned to an adolescent so now it's time to start the major training. I've been on basic care throughout it's time as a chick and feeding it 3x vomp carrots daily except when it got sick. I want to teach it digging moves, is now the time I want to get discernment up to the right level or should I keep grinding strength/endurance?

uhm, you were supposed to be on Walk in Town for Str and End.
To get the digging moves learned, Read a Story would have been good, if you want Bore and Burrow now, switching to Exhibiting to the Public would be recommended (use Digging for Treasure as soon as the chocobo becomes an adult.

[quote:291cadh1]Since it didn't turn out to be red I want to use this one for digging so did I waste all those vomp carrots?

Probably, but then I never feed carrots.
[quote:291cadh1] I guess I'm just not sure exactly how to max out all the stats I can at this point.

[/quote:291cadh1][/quote:291cadh1]I'd say it's impossible, especially if you switch the chocobo raising goal so radically (unless you use chocobuck training).

[Auspice]

Well, at the very least I guess I can keep raising it to breed. :/