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    Botters succesfully sued.

    http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/07/14...d-wins-sj-mdy/
    EDIT: The first link is being slashdotted and doesn't always load so here's the slashdot page:
    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...13247&from=rss

    Let's hope SE uses this precedent to get take some legal action of their own.

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    page doesnt load :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melchiah View Post
    page doesnt load :/
    same

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    Sorry, it's being slashdotted, I gave an alternate link.

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    Ha, awesome.

    "We bot for our friends"
    Blizzard: "You'll get no sympathy from me."

    (Yes I get it was the bot makers)

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    I thought WoW had raids and shit, so you don't need to bot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricen View Post
    I thought WoW had raids and shit, so you don't need to bot?
    People bot to like farm/exp/fish and stuff like that in wow.

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    Botting in WoW. Huh. Next thing you know there'll be Tic Tac Toe bots.

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    WASTE OF CURRENCY
    I CAN'T I CAN'T I CAN'T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thistle View Post
    Botting in WoW. Huh. Next thing you know there'll be Tic Tac Toe bots.
    ahhahahahahahahahahaha

    HELLO JOSHUA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A NICE GAME OF CHESS?

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    instead of wasting time and money taking botters to court, could just be easier to FIX FUCKING ENDGAME

    oh wait, this is SE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    ahhahahahahahahahahaha

    HELLO JOSHUA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
    One of the most awesome movies ever.

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    Best to post the content of the link, esp when it's being slashdotted:
    Blizzard has won its summary judgment motion against World of Warcraft bot maker MDY on copyright grounds. Blizzard also prevailed on its tortious interference claim. This means that liability for contributory and vicarious copyright infringement and tortious interference is completely off the table and will not go to the jury at trial in September, assuming that the parties do not settle before then. The only issue before the jury on these two claims will be damages. This is a major setback for MDY, which originally brought this action seeking a declaratory judgment that its WowGlider (now MMOGlider) bot software did not infringe Blizzard’s copyright.

    For the background of this suit, see Virtually Blind’s complete coverage of MDY v. Blizzard. Here is today’s Order re: Blizzard’s and MDY’s Summary Judgment Motions (.pdf).

    The Court ultimately held that:
    Blizzard owns a valid copyright in the game client software, Blizzard has granted a limited license for WoW players to use the software, use of the software with Glider falls outside the scope of the license established in section 4 of the TOU, use of Glider includes copying to RAM within the meaning of section 106 of the Copyright Act, users of WoW and Glider are not entitled to a section 117 defense, and Glider users therefore infringe Blizzard’s copyright. MDY does not dispute that the other requirements for contributory and vicarious copyright infringement are met, nor has MDY established a misuse defense. The Court accordingly will grant summary judgment in favor of Blizzard with respect to liability on the contributory and vicarious copyright infringement claims in Counts II and III.
    Blizzard had argued that:
    In this Circuit, the “copying” element may be proved in software cases by showing an unauthorized reproduction of a copyrighted software program in the computer user’s Random Access Memory (“RAM”). The Ninth Circuit has recognized that “the loading of software into the RAM creates a copy under the Copyright Act.” MAI Sys. v. Peak Computer, Inc., 991 F.2d 511, 519 (9th Cir. 1993), cert. dismissed 510 U.S. 1033 (1994); Triad Sys. Corp. v. Se. Express Co., 64 F.3d 1330, 1334 (9th Cir. 1995); see also Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp. v. Cablevision Sys. Corp., 478 F. Supp. 2d 607, 621 (S.D.N.Y. 2007) (agreeing with the “numerous courts [that] have held that the transmission of information through a computer’s random access memory or RAM . . . creates a ‘copy’ for purposes of the Copyright Act,” and citing cases.) When such a copy is made in excess of a license, the copier is liable for copyright infringement. Ticketmaster LLC v. RMG Techs., Inc., 507 F. Supp. 2d 1096, 1107 (C.D. Cal. 2007) (‘“When a licensee exceeds the scope of the license granted by the copyright holder, the licensee is liable for infringement.”’ (citation omitted)).
    MDY argued that loading a copy of the software into RAM is protected by Section 117, and was joined in that argument by Public Knowledge, a digital rights advocacy group. The court rejected these arguments, noting that “the Court is not free to disregard Ninth Circuit precedent directly on point.” From the Order:
    MDY urges the Court to follow the approach recently taken by the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington in Vernor, 2008 WL 2199682. The Vernor court declined to follow MAI, Triad, and Wall Data, and instead applied an earlier Ninth Circuit case, United States v. Wise, 550 F.2d 1180 (9th Cir. 1977). Wise involved the application of the “first sale” doctrine under 17 U.S.C. § 109 to various transfer contracts between movie studios and recipients of movie prints. Vernor concluded that the critical factor in Wise for determining whether a transaction was a sale or a license was “whether the transferee kept the copy acquired from the copyright holder.” 2008 WL2199682, at *6. MDY urges the Court to follow Vernor and Wise and hold that the users of the WoW game client software are owners of the software because they are entitled to keep the copy of the software they acquire from Blizzard. The Court declines this invitation. Whatever freedom the court in Vernor may have had to disregard Wall Data when applying a different statutory provision – section 109 – this Court does not have the same freedom. This case concerns section 117, the very provision addressed by the Ninth Circuit in Wall Data. The Court is not free to disregard Ninth Circuit precedent directly on point.
    MDY prevailed on some other other pending summary judgment issues and Blizzard prevailed on others, but the key result is that MDY has been found by the court to infringe Blizzard’s copyright through the sale of its WoWGlider (now MMOGlider) bot program, and to have tortiously interfered with Blizzard’s relationships with its customers through those sales. VB will be interested in seeing if MDY appeals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surealistic View Post
    instead of wasting time and money taking botters to court, could just be easier to FIX FUCKING ENDGAME

    oh wait, this is SE
    Actually, it's Blizzard.

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    sorry i forgot you cant infer over the interweb, i meant, if SE were planning this

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    Goodbye Windower, if SE decides to follow up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricen View Post
    I thought WoW had raids and shit, so you don't need to bot?
    Glider was mainly a levelling bot, but I believe it doubled as a farming bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skjie View Post
    Goodbye Windower, if SE decides to follow up...
    I think that you mean...

    Quote Originally Posted by Skjie View Post
    Goodbye Final Fantasy XI, if SE decides to do the same to Windower...

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    Perhaps I missed it as I read this late at night but any idea what will happen to these guys?

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    The really scary part of this is that it was won with Copyright law. That sets so many bad precidents, because it enforces licensing agreements in a way that they couldn't be enforced before.

    "You agree to abide by the license agreement, or the copy of the game which you load into RAM in your computer is unauthorized and pirated, for which you could be sued under civil copyright laws."

    If this doesn't get successfully appealed, it does open the door for pretty much any third party modification to any game to be slammed down under laws which weren't designed (but apparently successfully shoehorned into) to cover it.

    This is a bad, very bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aihree View Post
    The really scary part of this is that it was won with Copyright law. That sets so many bad precidents, because it enforces licensing agreements in a way that they couldn't be enforced before.

    "You agree to abide by the license agreement, or the copy of the game which you load into RAM in your computer is unauthorized and pirated, for which you could be sued under civil copyright laws."

    If this doesn't get successfully appealed, it does open the door for pretty much any third party modification to any game to be slammed down under laws which weren't designed (but apparently successfully shoehorned into) to cover it.

    This is a bad, very bad thing.
    They were infringing on Blizzard's intellectual copyrights, so why shouldn't they be punished for that exactly?

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