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[Tsuko_Asura]

I really don't think its fair to pigeonhole something's worth based on impact alone. Personally, I'd gladly accept a Defending Ring over any relic weapon, but not because I feel like it would push me further than an Amanomurakumo or a Bravura. Anyone who dedicates themselves to making money and sponsering Dynamis runs(or creating a shell and pocketing all of the coins, if they're super duper smart) can get a relic weapon, while, regardless of how dedicated you are, you may never, ever see a Defending Ring.

[Odog]

I excluded excal (because yes it is godly and please lets not get going on why aegis before excal argument). Personally, I could do without the OTHER mele relics is all. To each his own

[Thorny]

Can it one shot me in ~35% PDT with hp food?
Yes -> Tank on RDM.
No -> Continue Reading.
Does it resist dread spikes?
Yes -> Continue Reading.
No -> Tank on DRK. Use dread spikes to DD in PDT set when your VE/CE are capped. Use souleater as MP/situation permits.
Does it resist souleater, does souleater pose a threat to your ability to stay alive, or do you really really not want it to get tp?
Yes -> Continue Reading.
No -> Tank on DRK. Use dread spikes if not fully resisted as a defensive ability. Use souleater when MP/situation permit.
Do you really really not want it to get tp?
Yes -> Tank on RDM.
No -> Continue Reading.
Does it have a level correction that permits a WAR to DD effectively with Minx2 Marchx2 or Marchx2 Chaos/Hunters?
Yes -> Tank on WAR.
No -> Continue Reading.
Does it have anything that significantly reduces physical damage in addition to the pdif/level issue?
Yes -> Continue Reading.
No -> Tank on SAM.
Does it take full magic damage during the instance physical damage is reduced?
Yes -> Continue Reading.
No -> Tank on RDM.
Can you keep a decent tp rate despite the physical resistance?
Yes -> Congratulations, you're fighting Mahjlaef the Paintorn. As T3 ZNM in the worst path for profit is not popular barring PW or Mythic Weapons, this is a rare occurance. Tank on PLD.
No -> Tank on RDM.

[Odog]

I really don't think its fair to pigeonhole something's worth based on impact alone. Personally, I'd gladly accept a Defending Ring over any relic weapon, but not because I feel like it would push me further than an Amanomurakumo or a Bravura. Anyone who dedicates themselves to making money and sponsering Dynamis runs(or creating a shell and pocketing all of the coins, if they're super duper smart) can get a relic weapon, while, regardless of how dedicated you are, you may never, ever see a Defending Ring.

Yeah I agree with this and honestly a D ring to an Aegis pld might as well read "-10% physical damage taken". Still though, I wouldn't trade it for any relic other than excal.

[Demosthenes11]

I really don't think its fair to pigeonhole something's worth based on impact alone. Personally, I'd gladly accept a Defending Ring over any relic weapon, but not because I feel like it would push me further than an Amanomurakumo or a Bravura. Anyone who dedicates themselves to making money and sponsering Dynamis runs(or creating a shell and pocketing all of the coins, if they're super duper smart) can get a relic weapon, while, regardless of how dedicated you are, you may never, ever see a Defending Ring.

that wasnt my argument lol. he compared a dring to giving a war or nin a relic

edit to be clear:imnotmakinganysensecuzimreeeeelyhi

[Tsuko_Asura]

I realize its not the point, but I'd sooner get a Claustrum than a Kikoku. At least Claustrums are funny and disappointing.

[pchan]

Congrats, you can tank byakko on PLD. You are awesome. Update your LJ.

[Kuishen]

Good god, moar drops, less arguing over goddamn PLD.

plzkthxbai

[Raen Ryong]

Did you solo it?

[Argettio]

I think I'll need to make a video as proof first.

* make sure you nearly wipe once or twice - maybe 'back tank' it for a while
* call it something like "Byakko Tanking 101".
* upload it to you tube
* but it in your sig
* tell people to check it out whenever the conversion even gets close to the topic of PLD or Byakko

[Kuishen]

* make sure you nearly wipe once or twice - maybe 'back tank' it for a while
* call it something like "Byakko Tanking 101".
* upload it to you tube
* but it in your sig
* tell people to check it out whenever the conversion even gets close to the topic of PLD or Byakko

Win, good sir.

[noodles355]

Yes -> Congratulations, you're fighting Mahjlaef the Paintorn. As T3 ZNM in the worst path for profit is not popular barring PW or Mythic Weapons, this is a rare occurance. Tank on PLD.
No -> Tank on RDM.

I've had a solo nin tank do that fight just fine. Well, I say fine, he died once but the melees just kited him till he was up, and it wouldn't have happened if we'd had some form of refresh for the 2 blms, then didn't have enough to nuke down his shield at around 30%, so tank got spammed with agas.
Think it was like nin/rdm/whm/brd/sam/war/blm/blm.

[Hyriu]

Except the fact that we're talking about efficiency, because PLDs can use Atonement to take down his magic shield too while NIN can't(hur).

[noodles355]

Fuck efficiency, it's Mahjelif. I'll take whatever I can get that'll kill him. No one camps khim in my ls, no one else did tyger path, and so no one wants to fight the fucker.

At least the shield dropped, gave to a whm.
Then went 1/1 on Aurum Curiass so never fighting that fucker again.

[Thorny]

I've had a solo nin tank do that fight just fine. Well, I say fine, he died once but the melees just kited him till he was up, and it wouldn't have happened if we'd had some form of refresh for the 2 blms, then didn't have enough to nuke down his shield at around 30%, so tank got spammed with agas.
Think it was like nin/rdm/whm/brd/sam/war/blm/blm.

my entire chart was based around efficiency, it's easily 6manned with any tank, just a matter of how long it takes..

[noodles355]

In the end it wont make a huge difference. What ups the killspeed will be anything other than the tank (IE: good blms/smn/DD/whatever, and enough suport to keep tank alive), unless you're tanking with a DD like Drk, War or Sam.
Edit: Oh I guess, the faster you cap hate, the faster people can do damage etc. But then doesn't rdm take longer to cap hate than other jobs anyway?

I have a genuine question though: For things you can melee, are people suggesting Rdm is a better tank than Pld? I would have through the extra damage from Atonement would push it ahead? Or was it the argument of "if you can't melee: rdm, else: war/sam/drk/whatever).

[Thorny]

In the end it wont make a huge difference. What ups the killspeed will be anything other than the tank (IE: good blms/smn/DD/whatever, and enough suport to keep tank alive), unless you're tanking with a DD like Drk, War or Sam.
Edit: Oh I guess, the faster you cap hate, the faster people can do damage etc. But then doesn't rdm take longer to cap hate than other jobs anyway?

I have a genuine question though: For things you can melee, are people suggesting Rdm is a better tank than Pld? I would have through the extra damage from Atonement would push it ahead? Or was it the argument of "if you can't melee: rdm, else: war/sam/drk/whatever).

are you entirely retarded, read my chart

if you NEED survivability or can't dd effectively, it'll end up rdm
if not, it ends up the job that does the most damage while tanking(which is basically never pld, mahjlaef just came to mind)

anything can cap hate ffs

[Eanae]

Do you suck?
If yes quit FFXI.
If no, tank with whatever the fuck you want.

My chart's better.

[noodles355]

are you entirely retarded, read my chart

if you NEED survivability or can't dd effectively, it'll end up rdm
if not, it ends up the job that does the most damage while tanking

"are you entirely retarded" needs a question mark after it.

Also, I thought atonement did damage? Sure, not as much as a war/sam/drk, but apart from one Apoc Drk in my LS, I don't know Any Sam/War/Drks who have tanking gear or hell, even want to tank.

Maybe your chart would be better for an ideal enviroment where everything is perfect and everyone has perfect jobs, as opposed to actual plausible situations for 90% of the playerbase and about 60% of BG.

[Thorny]

I don't know Any Sam/War/Drks who have tanking gear or hell, even want to tank.

Tanking gear on SAM or WAR is your TP gear. If you don't have a basic ohshit build, gtfo. If your linkshell doesn't have 2(insert preferred number of tanks) DD that care enough to have PDT and MDT sets, /breaklinkshell.

Maybe your chart would be better for an ideal enviroment where everything is perfect and everyone has perfect jobs, as opposed to actual plausible situations for 90% of the playerbase and about 80% of BG.

BG as a population isn't that far ahead of the curve, sure most of the top notch players are here, but there are also idiots like Wakabo all over dragging it down.