Thread: Do Ninja Chainmail, Koga Hakama, and Suppanomimi all stack?    

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Just to clarify: wearing all three at once yields the combined benefits of all three pieces of gear?

Originally Posted by Damen

they all reduce your DW delay by .5

so when wearing all 3 peices you'd have a DW coefficient of .55 (.70 natural minus .15 in gear)

they reduce the TP gained per hit also

Originally Posted by supercoco

Originally Posted by Damen

they all reduce your DW delay by .5

so when wearing all 3 peices you'd have a DW coefficient of .55 (.70 natural minus .15 in gear)

they reduce the TP gained per hit also

Once you hit the floor of 5 TP per hit, it's kinda moot cause then you can whore out on dual wield even more, I've seen someone in full dual wield gear+haste hit almost non stop ._.;

Originally Posted by Fallso

Originally Posted by supercoco

Originally Posted by Damen

they all reduce your DW delay by .5

so when wearing all 3 peices you'd have a DW coefficient of .55 (.70 natural minus .15 in gear)

they reduce the TP gained per hit also

Once you hit the floor of 5 TP per hit, it's kinda moot cause then you can whore out on dual wield even more, I've seen someone in full dual wield gear+haste hit almost non stop ._.;

What Aurik means is that there is no TP floor

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Originally Posted by Raineer

Originally Posted by Fallso

Originally Posted by supercoco

Originally Posted by Damen

they all reduce your DW delay by .5

so when wearing all 3 peices you'd have a DW coefficient of .55 (.70 natural minus .15 in gear)

they reduce the TP gained per hit also

Once you hit the floor of 5 TP per hit, it's kinda moot cause then you can whore out on dual wield even more, I've seen someone in full dual wield gear+haste hit almost non stop ._.;

What Aurik means is that there is no TP floor

To clarify, there was a patch last year that nerfed NIN and THF/NIN dualwield (WAR/NIN was unaffected) by removing the TP floor.

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An additional piece of DW wear will reduce your TP/hit by about .1 at most under normal circumstances.

It's something to worry about slightly, but the fact that no one has 100% Acc mitigates it to a large extent.

It's only a problem if you consistently hit 100% TP on the dot before putting on more DW gear (unlikely), otherwise you won't notice a real difference.

In a purely theoretical world, it now takes me an extra attack round to hit 100% TP using Suppa/Koga/Chainmail in conjunction with Senj/Unji (compared to Suppa/Haub/NotKoga and S/F), but in the real world where you miss hits and double attack, it's not noticeable. The speed increase more than offsets the TP loss. If you could consistently have 100% Acc it would adversely affect your WS count and thus potentially degrade your parses over time, however since this does not happen in practice the TP-loss bushwah is exactly that: total bupkis.

It's purely a judgment call on your part whether full-stacked DW gear is what you like or if you prefer slightly higher TP return.

p.s. I don't have Haidate, so I don't and wouldn't use Koga Hakama in place of them, as in most situations I'll either have more Haste than DW, thus making the Haidate faster, or benefit more from the 15 DEX and recast reduction than the minimal increase in attack speed.

While we're on the topic, and in the Newbie forum, is there a TP ceiling? If I equip a 999 delay relic weapon and whack something, using no dual wield, is there a highest TP you can get in that single hit? And if a SAM loaded with Store TP gear and merits uses a 999 delay relic GKT and hits something, will they get all the extra TP they should get or is it capped at some point?

Originally Posted by aurik

Everything you ever wanted to know about TP gain:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/TP

So it looks like with a 999 delay relic GKT, a SAM could easily reach a 4-hit to 100% TP setup. Not that they would want to do so with a 999 delay relic GKT, but they could.

On a similar note, what's the smallest number of hits a SAM has been able to get to 100% TP with a practical setup? (i.e. not using 999 relic weapon for 18 base TP).

That's why Asuran fist + L1 Relic h2h were the win back in the day. Pop 1 WS and you're good to go until you die/kill whatever you're attacking from what I heard.

Originally Posted by Khamsin

Originally Posted by aurik

Everything you ever wanted to know about TP gain:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/TP

So it looks like with a 999 delay relic GKT, a SAM could easily reach a 4-hit to 100% TP setup. Not that they would want to do so with a 999 delay relic GKT, but they could.

On a similar note, what's the smallest number of hits a SAM has been able to get to 100% TP with a practical setup? (i.e. not using 999 relic weapon for 18 base TP).

6-hits is what most Sams go with, and requires +21 store tp from a combo of gear and merits. 5 is possible, but sacrifices too many important stats for Store TP+ gear.