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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by #686578 View Post
    That was the only leve in Gridania that was in my level range that would give more than 50exp per synth

    What, you guys dont get offered 8 leves and 7 of them are level 1-5? I assumed this happened for everyone...
    lol fair enough, just wanted to make sure.

    Also, rather than just collect all this data into the OP, I'm just going to update my personal spreadsheet and then upload a new copy to google documents every week or so.

  2. #22
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    "I would walk 500 malms" Rank 20 Leve.

    Completed with a rating of only 19, got 266 Leatherworking Marks. I just noticed when I get marks I dont get cash for the leve turn in, never noticed it before.

  3. #23
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    I updated the spreadsheet and put some graphs and junk in. Still learning how to use PivotTables effectively, but I hope to be able to put in individual colored lines for each rank. Like separate it out by r20 leves, r25 leves, etc. Since as the rank goes up it's almost certain to affect the reward, it's a little bad mixing all that in together.

  4. #24
    the whitest knight u' know
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    Tradeskill: Cooking
    City: Limsa Lominsa
    Guildleve: [20] A Tall, Cool One
    Performance Rating: 51
    Reward: 8033 gil

    Tradeskill: Alchemy
    City: Limsa Lominsa
    Guildleve: [20] Training and Eating
    Performance Rating: 23
    Reward: 6691 gil

    Tradeskill: Cooking
    City: Ul'dah
    Guildleve: [20] Finger Food
    Performance Rating: 32
    Reward: 607 Culinarians' Guild marks Yay~

    Tradeskill: Cooking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [20] Battle of the Breads
    Performance Rating: 22
    Reward: 5075 gil

  5. #25
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    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [30] Pants Make the Man
    Performance Rating: 65
    Reward: 12276 gil

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [30] Holes in Their Defense
    Performance Rating: 32
    Reward: 5464 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [20] Camp Drybone Cares
    Performance Rating: 91
    Reward: 5959 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [30] Harnessing Help
    Performance Rating: 52
    Reward: 556 guild marks

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [30] Quelling Bloody Rumours
    Performance Rating: 69
    Reward: 7000 gil

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Limsa-Lominsa
    Guildleve: [25] The Mad Hatter
    Performance Rating: 34
    Reward: 4891 gil

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Limsa-Lominsa
    Guildleve: [20] Outfitting the Shore
    Performance Rating: 36
    Reward: 7099 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [20] Shoeing the Shore
    Performance Rating: 85
    Reward: 4292 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [20] I Would Walk 500 Malms
    Performance Rating: 86
    Reward: 7514 gil

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [20] Busier Than the Blades
    Performance Rating: 77
    Reward: 9487 gil

    Tradeskill: Clothcraft
    City: Ul'Dah
    Guildleve: [30] Just for Kecks
    Performance Rating: 38
    Reward: 11012 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [30] Harnessing Help
    Performance Rating: 62
    Reward: 1156 guild marks

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [30] Back in the Harness
    Performance Rating: 38
    Reward: 5050 gil

    Tradeskill: Leatherworking
    City: Gridania
    Guildleve: [25] Cord and Orders
    Performance Rating: 41
    Reward: 7557 gil

  6. #26
    the whitest knight u' know
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    Tradeskill: Cooking
    City: Limsa Lominsa
    Guildleve: [25] Just Desserts
    Performance Rating: 26
    Reward: 7749 gil

  7. #27
    Rainbow Dash was here,
    Applejack is a silly filly.

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    Only one level 20+ guildmark done in Gridania again
    Planks Aplenty
    Performance 37
    323 carpenters guildmarks

    It wasnt 100% complete, I failed one or two synths out of the bunch.

    I guess the very least they can do is if they only give me one 20+ leve that it's at least a good leve...

    Edit: Finally did Uldah got only 1 rank 20 of course

    Act of Pure Weevil
    Performance 38
    Reward 2980 gil

    Edit: LL leves only 1 rank 20 again -.-

    Training and the Trees
    Rating 39
    Reward 2946

  8. #28
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    im weaver 16 e i have 1.166 marks and no craft over 20 yet (GLD is 19).

    I didnt notice until yesterday, so i have no ideia how and when i got it.

  9. #29
    the whitest knight u' know
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    You don't need to have a crafting class at 20+ to complete Rank-20 local leves and randomly receive guild marks instead of gil for them.

  10. #30
    Rainbow Dash was here,
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    Another reset another round of leves

    LL
    Carpentry
    Training and Trees
    Performance rating 22 (4/6 synths completed iirc)
    561 guild marks

    Alchemy
    Starveling Soldiers
    Performance rating 18 (4/6 again)
    2879 gil

  11. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by #686578 View Post
    Another reset another round of leves

    Planks Aplenty
    Performance 37
    323 carpenters guildmarks

    LL
    Carpentry
    Training and Trees
    Performance rating 22 (4/6 synths completed iirc)
    561 guild marks

    Alchemy
    Starveling Soldiers
    Performance rating 18 (4/6 again)
    2879 gil
    Unless you remember what rank these were (20 or 25), I'm gonna have to ignore all of these

    If you could use the format suggested in the OP it would be helpful. But I do appreciate the contributions, do keep them coming.


    On another note, once I get about 120ish entries in the spreadsheet I'll make some "probability" charts. Still haven't decided the best way to do this. I'm thinking maybe group the performance rating (x-axis) into intervals of 10. Like 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc. And for each group, have the y-axis value be # of mark rewards / (# of mark rewards + # of gil rewards) for that particular range.

  12. #32
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    My results are starting to get pretty strange. I added a new chart which shows a bar graph for every player whose submitted data, and their Mark%. Mine is 33% out of like 27 submissions. Which is pretty damn high TBH. But the overall rate is about 15% among all people who have submitted data. Can't really find anything else unusual about the data though.

    Haven't uploaded the spreadsheet showing this yet, but will come later tonight probably, or tomorrow.

    Edit: Also, one thing that I find very unusual so far is that there is not a single occurence on the sheet yet of receiving marks for a r25 leve. And there's close to 20 r25 leves recorded. It would be pretty interesting if marks only come from leves whose rank is a multiple of 10. There's still no reason to think it's anything other than just bad luck so far, but something to keep an eye on anyway.

  13. #33
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    Perhaps a differing probability according to % of successful synths?

  14. #34
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    Updated the link with a new spreadsheet. When you open it up now you should see a couple new charts on the front page. The probability chart is still really inaccurate, and will probably remain so for at least 100-200 more datapoints. I do, however, like that you can start a trend emerging regarding reward vs performance. Obviously this is expected, but it's nice to see it validated.

    One thing I find fairly interesting is the sharp jump in reward almost exactly at a performance rating of 25. And it happens for all 3 ranks - 20, 25, and 30 for where there is sufficient data so far. This could be the first sign of a useful pattern emerging, but obviously we'll have to see.

    Also just want to remind everyone that I'm still requesting as much data as possible I know it's easy to get lazy and forget to record it all, but assuming people are even still playing FFXIV, I'd love to have more records

  15. #35
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    Realized that not everyone has MS Excel, so I'm gonna start posting an image of the graph screen on the front page of this thread. Updated again.

  16. #36
    the whitest knight u' know
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    You know, I had been keeping pretty good track of my Guild Mark reward (namely the lack thereof) and my total is about 1200 or so higher than I remember. I'm wondering if the "I got marks and I don't know how I got them" could have some merit.

  17. #37
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    Sweet topic. Adding to list of of researchable topics.

  18. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by miokomioko View Post
    You know, I had been keeping pretty good track of my Guild Mark reward (namely the lack thereof) and my total is about 1200 or so higher than I remember. I'm wondering if the "I got marks and I don't know how I got them" could have some merit.
    Weird, I've been keeping track of mine too (with the spreadsheet of course), and it actually adds up exactly correct. Maybe you just forgot to record one or two?

  19. #39
    the whitest knight u' know
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    But, aren't you the one that has an absurd rate of mark rewards vs gil in the first place? I was like 1/30, and probably somewhere around 5/50 now... which puts me a bit over 1000 less than what I have now. I most certainly could have fucked up, but from now on, I'm checking my marks before and after I get gil'd.

  20. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by miokomioko View Post
    But, aren't you the one that has an absurd rate of mark rewards vs gil in the first place? I was like 1/30, and probably somewhere around 5/50 now... which puts me a bit over 1000 less than what I have now. I most certainly could have fucked up, but from now on, I'm checking my marks before and after I get gil'd.
    I do have an unusually high rate, but it could just be luck. BTW, I wanna see records of those 50 leves

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