Guild Mark Data Collection

[goodr]

It's not the crafting, it's the annoying Anima management that goes along with a lot of the higher level ones :/ Even running a lot to conserve it and strategically setting favorites I'm gasping for Anima every few days. And somehow it still takes for fricking ever to get them done when I port to most of the camps.

This. It's frustrating that DoW/DoM/DoL can go to a camp and hammer out a few relevant, relatively efficient and rank-appropriate leves. DoH has to run all over. And there's no predictability on which effort will give you marks. I have trouble seeing the game design reason they would have for making things different for DoH.

[miokomioko]

I'm thinking it's the sheer simplicity with 75% of local leves giving you way more skill and exp than you deserve for sitting down and mashing enter.

[Gulkeeva]

I'm not having any issues with anima myself.. infact I got so much more now, I'm just randomly teleporting places now.

And yes.. I craft.. alot, and I do all leve's everywhere.

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images8tu...6-28-26-11.jpg

96/100 anima ;/

[Enygma55]

Curious, do we have enough data to show which particular leves or which camp seems to more likely give marks? I seem to notice more marks at certain camps than others, mainly Skull Valley. I seem to always get marks there.

[tymora]

I hope you all don't mind, but I've copy & pasted the bulk of this from my lodestone blog:

"I don't understand the mechanics of getting guild marks from local guildleves which drop off to camps as yet.

However, I think I've finally cottoned on to how the in town local guildleves determine guild mark rewards.

Ever noticed the snarky little "don't wander too far" and "this is important, craft it quick" type messages you get from the local guildleve NPCs?

So I've been aiming for local leves that are within 5 ranks of my job - eg leather is currently rank 17 - so I'll look for rank 15 or 20 leves. Mainly because I want those guild marks!!

The last few of these town leves I've ensured I've gotten the necessary guild support beforehand. Then once I've picked up the mats from the NPC I synth the required items right then & there. Every single time so far I've received guild marks as a reward.

I must not be the only person who thinks this works as you tend to see a number of other adventurers grabbing the cobble stones around the NPCs too ^^.

Even if others have already worked this out, I know I've had a difficult time trying to work it out myself and the information available is a bit sparse, so I'm putting this up in case it helps anyone else.

If anyone should read this and have their own thoughts on the above, or otherwise if you have a theory on getting guild marks from the camp drops, I'd be glad to hear from you 8D

PS - While the Dev post of 3/12/2010 on the lodestone talks specifically about factions leves - notice the little red circles? There's no reason why this same localisation might not occur for the local guildleves as well...."
Just wanted to say - because the guildleves I target tend to be within 5 ranks above or below I normally don't get appraised higher than 50 (higher than 20 even), yet the above has still held true.

As mentioned above I don't understand the camp drops - on some i've synthed at the camp & gotten no marks; on some I've synthed with support in the city and kept wearing the same job out to the camp only to get .. no marks; and yet I swear that on others I've completed the synth in city and travelled to the camp wearing my fisher for Quick use and yet got the drop. I'm wondering whether the camp drop is a function of time between pick up and hand in. This is only speculation though. And it's based on my memory which is, admittedly, shoddy.

Try the above out for yourself & see if it works for you.



..and of course, everything I've said above could be completely wrong...

Any inkling of truth to this? Copied over from YG forums.
Never quite occurred to me to record speed of item delivery...

[Enygma55]

This could have meaning for the npc ones that give u the mats. I've left some locals on my list for a few days before turning them in and have received marks - Iron Lake and Broken Water - due to just being too far to run to for that day and I'm gone the next day or so.

[ZarakiKujata]

Calling bull on that persons theory for two reasons

1) 2/3 leves you need to do for Maisenta as a LW require you to have support (making leather and sinew cords), I've gotten materials from her and gone to repair NPC in grid or Leather guild NPC both before and after the reset and gotten marks from those leves (rank 25-35 versions of the leves)
2) Unless the window to turn stuff in is big enough it shouldn't matter either b/c again I've kept Maisenta/Uwilsyng waiting for a while when I've had 3~ leves to do w/ them and I synth all the 15-18 synths. (if anything I'd say the times when I've kept them waiting I seemed to get marks more consistently..)

In all honesty I think its just luck b/c after all this is SE, theres resets where I've gotten 0 marks and resets where I've had 2-4 leves handing out marks.

I will say that I've found Camp Nine Ivies (LW/cloth leves there), Broken Water (Cotton Shirt), and ofc Maisenta/Uwilsyng/Bango Zango, to hand out leves at a much higher rate then others for lw/cloth, at least before the reset, since the reset, they seem pretty common everywhere.

[miokomioko]

I'm not having any issues with anima myself.. infact I got so much more now, I'm just randomly teleporting places now.

And yes.. I craft.. alot, and I do all leve's everywhere.

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96/100 anima ;/

What's your usual plan for prioritizing which of your 8 local leves you pick vs. all the crafts you're working on?

I was prioritizing Rank-20+ for Alchemist and Culinarian (now Rank-15+) from day 1 and I've only now managed to buy 1 training manual for Culinarian, with Alchemist still behind a bit (including the 2000 from the quests). I can't fathom how you can spread 8 leves across 5 or so classes and have enough marks to buy anything for any of them.

[bruiser]

Any inkling of truth to this? Copied over from YG forums.
Never quite occurred to me to record speed of item delivery...

No truth to it. I tried that a number of times, and like anything in the game, there are streaks of good luck and streaks of bad luck. When I first started this experiment, I had a 35% mark rate over 40 leves. That's pretty out of the ordinary. But I never changed my pattern or behavior, and now it's done to about 15%. I'm sure there will be plenty of superstitions such as moon phase / time of day / speed / etc, but IMO anything that doesn't have at least 300+ points of data backing it up is just that -- a superstition.

[Cjskater]

What's your usual plan for prioritizing which of your 8 local leves you pick vs. all the crafts you're working on?

I was prioritizing Rank-20+ for Alchemist and Culinarian (now Rank-15+) from day 1 and I've only now managed to buy 1 training manual for Culinarian, with Alchemist still behind a bit (including the 2000 from the quests). I can't fathom how you can spread 8 leves across 5 or so classes and have enough marks to buy anything for any of them.

Well for one, you really have to do all 8 every single reset to get somewhere at any respectable rate. Past 30 it gets easier to do so and thus easier to get marks each reset. With ALC you only really need Chemicking to function, hit 30 and you'll have it. No clue what CUL needs, so cant comment there.

I'd suggest just doing the highest ranked/achievable leves you can, I honestly don't even bother with anything below 35 for my WVR anymore. If you did 8 rank 25+s, spanning all of your classes, you would have a better chance at getting a higher number of marks per reset than you would if you did a bunch of 15-25s on the same class. Granted you may not get them on the class you want, but you would get more. Not to mention getting 500SP per synth is way more productive than wasting time on something that may not give marks anyway. When I get close to 5000 I just spam the same class 1 by 1 so as to not be wasteful.

No truth to it. I tried that a number of times, and like anything in the game, there are streaks of good luck and streaks of bad luck. When I first started this experiment, I had a 35% mark rate over 40 leves. That's pretty out of the ordinary. But I never changed my pattern or behavior, and now it's done to about 15%. I'm sure there will be plenty of superstitions such as moon phase / time of day / speed / etc, but IMO anything that doesn't have at least 300+ points of data backing it up is just that -- a superstition.

I thought it was around that percentage as well (1 in 8 ), just by looking at the trends in the posts it seems that way.

[miokomioko]

Yeah, Chemicking Training is the first one on my list just for handling leve requests. I'd say the Cooking equivalent is Breadbaking, which was my first pick because of so. Then I'm torn between Fishcleaning to support pure skill grinding or Tacklecraft for making bait and eventually my own rods.

I never really looked at the collected data, as skewed and irrelevant as it may be now, but was there an observable trend of higher-ranking leves being more likely to yield marks? From my own observations, I would imagine a static chance of marks vs gil, just higher quantities being rewarded for higher rank leves.

[Gulkeeva]

What's your usual plan for prioritizing which of your 8 local leves you pick vs. all the crafts you're working on?

I was prioritizing Rank-20+ for Alchemist and Culinarian (now Rank-15+) from day 1 and I've only now managed to buy 1 training manual for Culinarian, with Alchemist still behind a bit (including the 2000 from the quests). I can't fathom how you can spread 8 leves across 5 or so classes and have enough marks to buy anything for any of them.

getting random bits of 700-900ish marks from various crafts...

then you gotta consider a free book for every 30+ craft

at the moment doing mostly alchemy and LW leve's due to..
skins/sinews are hard to come by, and maple sap is nonexistant (only non hours of farming item is crystals->shards)
If I do see a good Lv 30-35ish leve though I take it over others~


its really not all that bad, as you can see I'm sort of running out of books that are remotely useful to get
speaking of books, I recently got nail one for helping to lvl blacksmithing and goldsmithing

[miokomioko]

Bah! I should have assumed you pretty much had all those at ~30.

[Gulkeeva]

Bah! I should have assumed you pretty much had all those at ~30.

work slows me down.. wtb christmas vacation. I'm hoping to have a Lv 40 craft or 2 by end of december ;/

[tymora]

Calling bull on that persons theory for two reasons

1) 2/3 leves you need to do for Maisenta as a LW require you to have support (making leather and sinew cords), I've gotten materials from her and gone to repair NPC in grid or Leather guild NPC both before and after the reset and gotten marks from those leves (rank 25-35 versions of the leves) ....

Funny I just got 2/2 of the city locals today trying it out for fun. Quite a coincidence I must say.
Still I think its worth a closer look. I don't think anyone really paid attention to how fast the leves are completed for local city leves or whether it is completed where the NPC can "see" you.

Camp leves may be speed as well. I think anyone with typical common sense will get all 8 local leves from NPC, synth in the city with the support before running round the camps to do delivery -> This will take at least an hour, barring any other distractions.
Anyone tried getting the leves for 1 camp, warping out to the camp and complete the leve? I doubt so.

And no one is saying "you can't get marks" if you don't do those things or you will go 100% if you do, perhaps just a higher chance of getting it if you do that.

Well in any case, need more data.

[Cjskater]

I never really looked at the collected data, as skewed and irrelevant as it may be now, but was there an observable trend of higher-ranking leves being more likely to yield marks? From my own observations, I would imagine a static chance of marks vs gil, just higher quantities being rewarded for higher rank leves.

It's the same chance, just when you do get marks you'll get a higher number. Like 500 from a Rank 15 but 1100 from a Rank 35. I meant it purely as an overall thing.

[bruiser]

Yeah, Chemicking Training is the first one on my list just for handling leve requests. I'd say the Cooking equivalent is Breadbaking, which was my first pick because of so. Then I'm torn between Fishcleaning to support pure skill grinding or Tacklecraft for making bait and eventually my own rods.

I never really looked at the collected data, as skewed and irrelevant as it may be now, but was there an observable trend of higher-ranking leves being more likely to yield marks? From my own observations, I would imagine a static chance of marks vs gil, just higher quantities being rewarded for higher rank leves.

It's not really skewed now because I haven't updated the main page since the patch. So the data should be a pretty good representation of what things were like pre-patch. And you don't even have to download anything, just click on page 1 and look at the pretty pictures.

[Cjskater]

Would just like to mention, even though you're not collecting data...

I got my first Rank 50 local leve finally:
You obtain 1890 Weavers' Guild marks.

PR was only 29.

[miokomioko]

Hory mory. Rank-50s become available at 45, right?

[Cjskater]

Hory mory. Rank-50s become available at 45, right?

That should be when, yes, if I could find that lodestone link I'd know for sure.

edit: found it http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...39271b62246c3b