Go vote

[Rhinox]

the point is with 30% approval rating DADT would probably happen one way or another, especially if it was attached to the defense authorization bill by itself. Even Snowe/Collins said they would have voted for it last time if Reid hadn't finagled it so republicans couldn't discuss or amend the bill

You do realize that the GOP would have swamp the bill with frivolous amendments in order to make a poison pill that would have forced liberals to vote against it right?

[Atreides]

they need to get that defense authorization act passed one way or another, so I doubt it would have happened if it was just that and DADT. The Dream Act is definitely what killed it, since that's what about 90% of the republicans campaigned against this election season

[Rhinox]

How many republicans in congress support the repeal of DADT?

[Atreides]

if it came up for a vote with just the defense authorization act and DADT? Probably enough to get it passed, all they'd need is every dem + 2 repubs anyway, which they have

[Rhinox]

The only GOP senator that has signaled she would vote to repeal is Collins. Snowe is playing politics and asking for another study to stretch out this vote to the point were it won't get voted on since the GOP has taken control.

[Atreides]

They could probably get Wyden or Gregg

[Rhinox]

Wyden Is a Democrat and Gregg has refused to comment on the issue recently.

[Atreides]

that's weird, I always thought wyden was a repub, I guess that explains a lot of things

still, I'd be willing to bet that without the dream act a straight repeal of DADT attached to the defense authorization act would have passed. Do you happen to know when they have to pass the defense authorization bill by?

edit: oh yeah, forgot about Lugar too

[Atreides]

but sadly, I don't even think they're going to bring up DADT at all during the lame duck, since there's so little time between the pentagon's scheduled survey report on December 1st and the end of the session, and all the other stuff they're going to be occupied with.

Bad news for Obama, since the only reason gay voters went along with the supreme court injunction is because they thought he'd be quick about ending the policy. I wonder if they'll just bring up DADT by itself next year at some point (instead of with the defense authorization bill), not that I think it'll pass

[Altariel]

I totally agree that even the 60 democrat majority wasn't a shoe in for anything. Hell, my own "Democratic" Senator Ben Nelson was one of the biggest sticking points to final passage. But I can't help feel that the congressional leadership came in not ready to govern and dragging their feet for 7 months while the Franken-Coleman shit was being sorted out. It's seemed much like, "oh hey we just won...umm...what do we do now?"

[Atreides]

ugh yeah that was a mess, I really hope they get the Murkowski-Miller thing sorted out somewhat faster

well technically speaking they can take as much time as they want lol, I just hope miller doesn't win (unlikely at this point but he is sure fighting pretty hard)

[Caiyuo]

but sadly, I don't even think they're going to bring up DADT at all during the lame duck, since there's so little time between the pentagon's scheduled survey report on December 1st and the end of the session, and all the other stuff they're going to be occupied with.

Bad news for Obama, since the only reason gay voters went along with the supreme court injunction is because they thought he'd be quick about ending the policy. I wonder if they'll just bring up DADT by itself next year at some point (instead of with the defense authorization bill), not that I think it'll pass

Perhaps, perhaps not, I just saw Dan Choi swinging his giant gay balls in front of the White House on Maddow where he and supporters were arrested for handcuffing themselves to the North Gate. He seems pretty goddamn committed to not letting this go by the wayside.

[Atreides]

he's way over the top, he was on hardball the other day and chris matthews was trying to get him to answer simple questions and he kept spouting this angry rhetoric, totally not even helpful to the discussion whatsoever. I get that he's passionate about it but at this point he's doing way more harm than good

[Caiyuo]

I saw that, for someone who's been fighting for repeal for as long as he has, only his partner (GET IT) was able to actually make an argument for what Chris was asking. I literally thought he might choke someone in that brief moment. I think mainly all he's doing is making the news so as to keep the issue from getting passed along as it likely would be. Maybe not purposely, but I think he's at least performing a function.

[Atreides]

Looks like Reid (and Levin, after prodding from the White House) are set to bring up DADT in the lame duck for sure, and according to Lieberman they've got 60 votes (Lugar and Collins):

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Have_60_Votes/

Also out of fucking nowhere comes Lisa Murkowski saying she'd support a repeal as well, although no one should make the mistake of thinking she's suddenly not a conservative on pretty much every other issue:


I gotta say that Murkowski's upset is almost as big of a political upset as Reid's re-election. Certainly doesn't help Palin's credibility any

[quannum]

sarah palin in the '12 republican primary is gonna be the best lulz of '12.

everyone in the media loses their shit when talking about mama grizzly

[Atreides]

i really want to watch that stupid reality show and laugh at her

also speaking of hilarious and politics:


too bad he didn't get re-elected

[Rhinox]

And The rich win.


What's funny is Democrats will use the Unemployment extension as a victory to sell to their base but anyone can see right through this bullshit.

bad Democrats are bad.

Bring on the Palin/Romney ticket for 2012.

At least with them we know we're gonna get fucked instead of the surprise sex the Obama administration has done.

[archibaldcrane]

I agree the situation sucks...but what should Obama have done?

Spoiler: show

besides the obvious - just let them all expire

[Rhinox]

He doesn't know how to govern.

What I Campaigned and voted for was the Black president from 24. What we got was Tavis Smiley

I feel Bamboozled.