TSA will soon be "psycho-bullying" people into body scanners

[quannum]

Here, i'll requote what we said since obviously you either missed it, blind, or just want to fight and argue anything that's said that doesn't agree with you.

oh already rebutted that stupid shit, your blind or missed or w/e stupid shit your accusing me of.

[aurik]

Quannum is retarded, stop arguing to him and argue with me instead.

[quannum]

yall get real butthurt about being wrong quick

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Obvious this is all dodging the obvious fact that the long-term cheapest way to mitigate terrorism would be to remove the troops from Afghanistan & Iraq.

But Osama bombed us prior to that. Or do you mean the entire Middle East?

[Melena]

Quannum is retarded, stop arguing to him and argue with me instead.

Aurik, your too damn loveable to argue with.

Quannam, all you can do is sling back that it's 0% nyah nyah i can't hear you i'm right your wrong and a stupid poopie head. So feel free to keep beating your chest, if Archi want's to continue the useless struggle, he can. Me, i'm just going to sit and laugh at you.

[quannum]

Quannam, all you can do is sling back that it's 0% nyah nyah i can't hear you i'm right your wrong and a stupid poopie head.

its a question i've been asking ... just answer how this machine makes you safer when it can be bypassed all together?

[aurik]

@Swampy

So? There's always going to be people who want to hurt you no matter what you do. Timothy McVeigh didn't care about the troops in Saudi Arabia, still decided to blow up a building.

The real question is, given you have a budget of $trillions to spend, what's the best way to enhance security. Well, I can think of a few things, number one on my list would be to not occupy the homeland of the people from whom the terrorists are recruiting.

Ejecting the Taliban, good move.
Setting up new infrastructure for the Afghan people, good move.
Constantly rebuilding it after homegrown terrorists sabotage it? Bad move.

Afghan will never have peace until the people there want peace. Give them the opportunity, but if they fail to grasp it they only have themselves to blame.

[zoobernut]

Ok sorry but to chime in Quannum you are retarded, that has been answered multiple times. It doesn't by itself, but combine it with other methods makes the entire process more effective.

Note: This doesn't have any reflection on my personal stance on the subject I am just tired of Quannum asking the same damn question over and over and acting all high and mighty when the question has been answered and it was a stupid question to begin with and it was phrased horribly.

[quannum]

there is no combination of methods for a terrorist, there's only the path of least resistance. and that path does not include the machine.

the question has not been answered with a logical response.

and please dispense with this high and mighty shit when talking about me, its a fallacy at best and irrelevant at worst.

[archibaldcrane]

The machines push informed terrorists into enhanced pat-downs and help catch uninformed ones. No other previous security measure would make them choose to undergo enhanced pat-downs. Therefore the machines help to make us a little bit safer, even if terrorists never use them.

Next.

[Correction]

The machines push informed terrorists into enhanced pat-downs and help catch uninformed ones. No other previous security measure would make them choose to undergo enhanced pat-downs. Therefore the machines help to make us a little bit safer, even if terrorists never use them.

Next.

Uninformed terrorists have been getting caught left and right prior to the existence of backscatter machines. Math metaphors aside, adding a measure to catch everything but the most effective of terrorists does not measurably add to our security while travelling by airplane.

[archibaldcrane]

Uninformed terrorists have been getting caught left and right prior to the existence of backscatter machines. Math metaphors aside, adding a measure to catch everything but the most effective of terrorists does not measurably add to our security while travelling by airplane.

Do you think this doesn't increase our security by even 1%?

That's the question on the table.

I mean, the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber weren't "caught" - their bombs just didn't work.

[archibaldcrane]

If you send 100 prospective terrorists into an old TSA line (metal detector only) - you don't catch even 1 more than before when their options change to backscatter or metal detector+enhanced patdown?

[quannum]

catching people you woulda caught already = 0%

sorry to derail, but this whole argument is just another form of putting up the us/mex fence. if the fence isn't whole, just cross where the hole is. its the same concept

[archibaldcrane]

Ok, I'm out for real now.

[Correction]

Do you think this doesn't increase our security by even 1%?

That's the question on the table.

I mean, the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber weren't "caught" - their bombs just didn't work.

We are never, ever going to catch the most determined, organized and well-funded of terrorists. ever.

We have a threshold of security that is currently catching all the bumbling ones who at best would depressurize the cabin of an aircraft and force an emergency landing.

Talk of percentages is metaphorical at best and completely fucking stupid at worst. There's no reason to discuss a 1% increase in our ability to catch incompetent terrorists.

[jmc]

its a question i've been asking ... just answer how this machine makes you safer when it can be bypassed all together?

Simple, it's a deterrent.

It helps, but it's not 100% fool proof.

Prime example would be the people who try to rob banks, while there is a uniformed police officer in line behind them

[Acturus]

Quannum is retarded, stop arguing to him and argue with me instead.

Why do you hate football, and by extension, 'Merica?

[Stumblingdrunk]

Simple, it's a deterrent.

Implementing new security measures as a deterrent is great. Implementing a deterrent that results in the recording of naked images of everyone that gets on a plane, and or a mild public sexual assault however, is not great. Would you keep your job if you patted down a suspect in the same manner?

[Melena]

Implementing new security measures as a deterrent is great. Implementing a deterrent that results in the recording of naked images of everyone that gets on a plane, and or a mild public sexual assault however, is not great. Would you keep your job if you patted down a suspect in the same manner?

Patdown's inmates get in intake are more invasive then what TSC does. So yea he'd keep his job.