New phone time!

[Tyche]

Are people really trying to argue battery life on an Iphone versus an Android device. First, I've got several friends with an Iphone 4, I have a Droid X, there has not been a day when I don't kick their ass in battery life. Second, it doesn't motherfucking matter, because my phone can actually change out batteries! This is not a discussion or argument that an Iphone user can make or use at any point.

Seriously.. I'm fucking boggled that someone tried to even bring this up.

Where do I start with this absolutely useless post? 1. DroidX (CDMA) isn't an option given the network each phone uses. 2. Not all "android devices" are the same, so the droid x, droid incredible, galaxy S, etc will all have different batteries by different manufacturers. 3. My droid x battery life is better than my friends iPhone isn't exactly a conclusive test. Their factory specs are similar but real world use varies.

If you're just coming in to take a shit inthe thread, at least polish it.

[jaryk]

Where do I start with this absolutely useless post? 1. DroidX (CDMA) isn't an option given the network each phone uses. 2. Not all "android devices" are the same, so the droid x, droid incredible, galaxy S, etc will all have different batteries by different manufacturers. 3. My droid x battery life is better than my friends iPhone isn't exactly a conclusive test. Their factory specs are similar but real world use varies.

If you're just coming in to take a shit inthe thread, at least polish it.

Ah yes, as opposed to the conclusive tests that you provided with your awesome post and response. Your post and the other posts seem to allude the Iphone has some magical properties that make the battery somehow fantastic, when it's in reality a pretty giant piece of shit compared to most other smartphones out there. Not to mention the most egregious error of the fact that every other phone in the world can actually change their battery out. My point was arguing for the Iphone based on a battery is about the least evidential argument you can make in a smartphone discussion. It's probably the largest most glaring flaw of the Iphone.

So while my shit wasn't polished, at least there was some substance to it as opposed to yours which lacks even a steamy pile of shit.

Edit:
Oh and just for fucking grins, my basis on battery life comparison was simply on the fact that with a specific friend he and I average about the same amount of phone/data usage on a daily basis and I typically have 20-30% more battery life on a daily basis.

[Julian]

He does have some points, though. I have 2 extra batteries, each which last a good 2 days for my phone right now (which hasn't even been fully optimized yet since it's still pretty new), and it only cost me $10 :D I think it's incredibly retarded that i-stuff still refuses to have SD slots or exchangeable batteries.

Android devices are very open and free, and let you pretty much do whatever you want with them. If you're into technology, or at least interested in using your devices to its fullest, this is a very big thing.

Apple stuff on the other hand is very closed and proprietary, which personally just pisses me off. If you don't give a shit about any of this, go and try the phones out and pick the one you like best.

If you care, then you really shouldn't even need anyone to tell you that an iphone wouldn't be a good choice.

[Boyiee]

I honestly don't see whats the big deal about having a removable battery... Do you carry those extra batteries in your pockets wherever you go? Every verizon user I know, regardless of the phone, every single one of them always has their phone freeze or do something retarded where the solution for them is to take the battery out and put it back in. I've never had that problem with my phone and haven't had to do that in years, such an inconvenience. So happy that my phone works all the time.

[Julian]

No, but I always carry around an extra battery in my backpack in case I forget to charge and need my phone. Haven't needed to do it yet, but knowing that I can is nice.

[jmc]

He does have some points, though. I have 2 extra batteries, each which last a good 2 days for my phone right now (which hasn't even been fully optimized yet since it's still pretty new), and it only cost me $10 :D I think it's incredibly retarded that i-stuff still refuses to have SD slots or exchangeable batteries.

Android devices are very open and free, and let you pretty much do whatever you want with them. If you're into technology, or at least interested in using your devices to its fullest, this is a very big thing.

Apple stuff on the other hand is very closed and proprietary, which personally just pisses me off. If you don't give a shit about any of this, go and try the phones out and pick the one you like best.

If you care, then you really shouldn't even need anyone to tell you that an iphone wouldn't be a good choice.

I don't know about that highlighted part, its not that "open" like lets say Linux.

Back on topic to battery life, it all depends on the user honestly.

Did the user root the phone, and flash their own rom to the phone? (Which usually helps battery life)

Did the user on android kill applications running in the background? (Alot of my friends had no idea applications ran in the background, explain to them advanced task killer and they still won't use the program)

Compared to iphone, where you cant flash your own rom to try and increase battery life.

nor do you have to worry about killing applications after every exit, to insure nothing is slowly sucking battery life in the background.


Lets face it, people buy iphones for simplicity and style points. Others buy android phones because they know what to do with the phone............ and style points.


*edit*

Coming from someone who has owned 3 iphones (2g, 3gs, 4) and 3 Android phones (HTC Hero, HTC Evo, Samsung Galaxy). I honestly have no preference on phones, all 6 have served me well "in the field" with no severe battery issues.

[Tyche]

Ah yes, as opposed to the conclusive tests that you provided with your awesome post and response. Your post and the other posts seem to allude the Iphone has some magical properties that make the battery somehow fantastic, when it's in reality a pretty giant piece of shit compared to most other smartphones out there. Not to mention the most egregious error of the fact that every other phone in the world can actually change their battery out. My point was arguing for the Iphone based on a battery is about the least evidential argument you can make in a smartphone discussion. It's probably the largest most glaring flaw of the Iphone.

So while my shit wasn't polished, at least there was some substance to it as opposed to yours which lacks even a steamy pile of shit.

Edit:
Oh and just for fucking grins, my basis on battery life comparison was simply on the fact that with a specific friend he and I average about the same amount of phone/data usage on a daily basis and I typically have 20-30% more battery life on a daily basis.

The whole basis of your argument is built upon irrelevant bullshit. You can't compare by saying "well, we use close to the same data and and phone usage...". At least know something about phones. Are we talking wifi data or 3G data? EDGE data? What is he doing on his phone when he's not talking on it. You can't compare two different phones with two different people. That's why I never compared the battery life to another phone, because it's pointless unless you have empirical evidence to support your specific usage average (or run a battery [pun not intended] of tests). When even the ambient light in a room can make a dramatic effect on your battery, your "test" is about as useless as as my 3 year old solving a calculus problem.

If you want to make the "well, it doesn't have interchangeable batteries...", that's fine. Before I even got an iphone, I had a blackberry. I had 4 batteries for it in about a years time, and needed another when I sold it. I had my iphone 3 G for over a year, and never had a single battery issue. My iphone 4 stays charged for about 2 days. I have ample time to charge it without the need of buying extra batteries or packing them around.

[Tyche]

Also, I don't get the "it's more open" argument. Maybe someone else other than me can chime in and tell me when they've looked at their iphone and said "You know, I wish this was more open...". I guess the only time I've had that issue was when they cracked the droids to allow backup play on the PS3. Now, they also got iphones to do it as well, just not the iphone 4 .

[Neuro]

Did the user on android kill applications running in the background? (Alot of my friends had no idea applications ran in the background, explain to them advanced task killer and they still won't use the program)

As I learned after doing some research about this, it can actually be worse for battery to run an task killer on Android. I thought it helped, but tested it out more thoroughly and didn't see much difference either way. For the record, on my Galaxy S (Captivate) I can get up to 2 days with moderate use, (lots of music, angry birds, texts, some snes/ps1 emulator, some internet browsing, some calls, etc.)

As for the open part, the actual vanilla Android OS is open source, with everything available to be messed with. Not sure if it's required, but some of the manufacturers that release their own versions of Android provide all the source code as well. I know that Samsung does this, and I believe HTC does as well. This allows people to modify things that they want to, without rewriting the entire OS.

An example of a benefit of this is that Samsung Galaxy S phones use RFS as the file system. RFS is kind of slow, leading to some noticeable lag on the device. As the source code was made available by Samsung, some developers went ahead and changed the file system for /data (where apps are stored) to EXT2 or EXT4, which removes any lag and makes the device run perfectly smooth.

That's an example of them fixing an issue, other things are the various roms that can be installed, various cosmetic changes, all kinds of misc things. Not going to weigh in on which phone is better, go try them and decide.

[dejet]

It is a fact that droids are more open. Thats not something you should fight.

The I-phone by no means suck and it has its share of toys(just like android does) The real lure to the android OS is how fast it is progressing. Google is shotting out updates real fast. The store is getting better(if your into that sorta thing)

The I-phone is cool, and out of the box can do more then any droid device(that is fact) Their OS is very sleek and is optimized out of the box. Tho if you work with your droid you can very well out do the Iphone in life(some phones) and lets not get into if you go with a extended one.

Some Droid x Users are claiming to get 5-6 days of life when they change things to their sweet spot. UL/UC/crap taken away.

Whatever you get you will fall in love with the phone, its that simple. I would hate moving to a Iphone because I would lose slingplayer. Iphone users might hate to move to a android because they would then lose their netflix viewer.

I would pick a droid(thats just me, I screw around with my phone so much and jsut feel a iphone is limited in that way)

If you can go test both out, find someone with iphone that is JB. then find a geek who has a rooted droid. You need to find what you want out of the phone.

[Boyiee]

I'm by no means an apple fanboy either, I love my phone but god would I love to be back on verizon. It's cheaper for me, if not free, and it gets slightly better service around here.

Everyone I work with goes through phones like water, this one lady especially. She has a new phone just about every month. And everytime she gets one she makes snide comments "still have that iphone I see" "are you still using that iphone" "you really still like that?" bitch you have a new fucking phone every month, shut up. Every day I see her taking the battery out and puttng it back in, typical verizon phone problems (think shes had just about every droid device verizon has) and these people always make comments about how great verizons service is in my area and how bad at&t is.

Thats what gets to me the most. I have never ever had a problem with att service in my area ever. Always full bars, I get reception inside jails and the basement of police HQ where I shouldn't, just like they do. It's fucking equal here... However, for the first time ever I did have service trouble this weekend. I was in NYC and was having trouble all day, the worst of which on stanton street. For the most part of the day I could use GPS ok, but out of the 500 wifi points sometimes they wouldn't work or pick up or anything. Stanton street I was completely dead of service, 3g/wifi/everything, phone was a brick. It worked better after rebooting but still, it was annoying. This may be that infamous too many hotspots bug that iphone4 had, idk, but it was annoying. This is when I would have rather been back on verizon.

I don't know if it was just my phone or something in my jailbreak that I did, or if other att users experience it, but so far my experience with iphone in nyc was not good. Pick your provider, play with said providers phones, pick one you enjoy.

[Tyche]

I understand that it's more open and an open source OS. I'm asking how thats being utilized in ways that would make the less useful. This is a sincere question, as anything I've needed my phone to do, other than jailbreaking PS3s, it does.

Also, you wouldn't lose slingplayer on an iPhone. You may have to repurchase I suppose (although not really :/)

[Tyche]

I'm by no means an apple fanboy either, I love my phone but god would I love to be back on verizon. It's cheaper for me, if not free, and it gets slightly better service around here.

Everyone I work with goes through phones like water, this one lady especially. She has a new phone just about every month. And everytime she gets one she makes snide comments "still have that iphone I see" "are you still using that iphone" "you really still like that?" bitch you have a new fucking phone every month, shut up. Every day I see her taking the battery out and puttng it back in, typical verizon phone problems (think shes had just about every droid device verizon has) and these people always make comments about how great verizons service is in my area and how bad at&t is.

Thats what gets to me the most. I have never ever had a problem with att service in my area ever. Always full bars, I get reception inside jails and the basement of police HQ where I shouldn't, just like they do. It's fucking equal here... However, for the first time ever I did have service trouble this weekend. I was in NYC and was having trouble all day, the worst of which on stanton street. For the most part of the day I could use GPS ok, but out of the 500 wifi points sometimes they wouldn't work or pick up or anything. Stanton street I was completely dead of service, 3g/wifi/everything, phone was a brick. It worked better after rebooting but still, it was annoying. This may be that infamous too many hotspots bug that iphone4 had, idk, but it was annoying. This is when I would have rather been back on verizon.

I don't know if it was just my phone or something in my jailbreak that I did, or if other att users experience it, but so far my experience with iphone in nyc was not good. Pick your provider, play with said providers phones, pick one you enjoy.

Dude lives in Canada, he getsthe iPhone without the shitty service provider (although I've never had service issues, I live in Kentucky though).

[Marajade]

Just to come back to this, ended up getting an iPhone after fiddling around with both of them. The Galaxy was nice, but ended up choosing the iPhone for the connectivity with other devices, and onboard memory vs card memory. The Galaxy was cheeper than the 32G (259 vs 179) But when you add in the cost of a 32G microSD, it tipped back to the iPhone.

Of course now I have the problem of having to deal with iTunes, and the fact that I can't re-download songs I paid for. Had some problems with the phone and texting, and the Apple Store guy's first thing to do was re-spec the phone. Which cleared the stuff I bought before it was transfered to my PC.

[dejet]

I understand that it's more open and an open source OS. I'm asking how thats being utilized in ways that would make the less useful. This is a sincere question, as anything I've needed my phone to do, other than jailbreaking PS3s, it does.

Also, you wouldn't lose slingplayer on an iPhone. You may have to repurchase I suppose (although not really :/)

Ah I did not know that slingplayer was on the Iphone. By open, I mean ROMs. The freedom of the system is great. Just how open droids are is shown in the work of the htc sense. Work is being done for a rom that will work and act on the moto droid as if it was an EVO.

This is what I mean by open. JBing allows you to utilize most of the phone(and its inner workings) root will allow you to do much of what JBing does. The only difference is we have the source code, we can edit it. remove/add/change/edit, just about do anything if you can code it.

You could very well change it to where it could be its own OS(as a lot of android phones show with motoblur/Sense and such) but WE can do it, not just the makers of the phone.

fast edit: I am not putting down the Iphone; it is a great phone. and really for most it is better if you ask me. Its very easy to pick up and just use. Droids on the other hand are a little more complex(or can be if you want) apple did a great job making a strong smart phone. I myself like to tinker with it(like my PC, tho I am the owner of a powerbook G4 lol; dad got a new macbook so i fixed his old one)

edit II: The dude picked his phone, tho I would like to ask a few things. My plan is going to change over to sprint, so that means epic or evo. My brother has the evo/his GF/friend all have it. The phone looks cool(outside the life issue; tho I know I can fix that somewhat) I have yet to see anyone with an Epic 4g. So I can not pick what I think is better; I love that fact that is has a keyboard(real one) but outside that I no little about it. Can anyone who has it rooted tell me a little about it?

[Tyche]

I installed iTunes to activate my phone and haven't touched it since. I sync music with another program. I fucking hate iTunes.

[dejet]

I installed iTunes to activate my phone and haven't touched it since. I sync music with another program. I fucking hate iTunes.

what program do you use? Mostly just drag and drop for mine...

[Marajade]

I installed iTunes to activate my phone and haven't touched it since. I sync music with another program. I fucking hate iTunes.

Oh, I hate it too, and want this other program you speak of. Though I still wanna get that music I paid for back <,<

[Kerberoz]

Are apple devices the only media devices in the world that you can't just drag and drop files onto? Legitimate question, because I've never used one, and never will, yet I keep hearing of everyone having trouble "syncing" their shit. Do they not have... folders and files? Why the fuck do you need special software to "sync"? Everything else = connect USB cable or pop removable card into reader and it shows up as a storage device... I guess that doesn't "just werk" easily enough.

[Boyiee]

You can drag and drop photos, but not music and such. iPhone uses itunes to automatically do it for you, it makes it easier for the computer illiterate users. Hence all the talk in the thread about using the iphone out of the box and such, itunes makes that even more possible. You literally don't have to drag and drop, once you connect it, it will do it for you.

If you want to drag and drop and all, then you need a different program other than itunes or need to SSH.

I don't see what all the fuss is about iTunes. I have maybe 20 bought songs, and over a thousand non bought songs/movies/etc all of different file types.. even scaled down HD movies to play in the best quality possible on the phone. It's so easy for me to add music to my apps for running and game backround music and such, and if I get a ton of new music I just plug it in and walk away and it syncs/does everything for me.