Dorp XXV: wtf bynes.

[Taint]

Mura is boss for any mob with DT....its also for a job that has a lop sided damage split in favor of Mura.

85mil is probably a bit much but 50mil sounds reasonable.

[Fake]

The practical applications of mura are extremely limited due to the fact most times it would be good you can't even get tp (outside of med a haga).

Sure its great for cerb in salvage, although you could just take mnk and clear the zone a lot faster, but I can't think of a single other instance where it will make any real difference. Arch Omega isn't a valid reason either since it can be solo DD'd in under 14mins (plenty of time to recast embrava during rasa, 14mins was a conservative duration) by a good Sam using a different weapon.

If I got the drop I would absolutely take the weapon, but its hard to put a much higher price on it unless you speculate on content that may come with the expansion.

[Nattack]

cant mura break through pil's shield?
i mean, that alone could carry any crappy pil run. and there are plenty.

gib me your murasamemaru chamaan, I need a reason to play samurai.

[Taint]

The practical applications of mura are extremely limited due to the fact most times it would be good you can't even get tp (outside of med a haga).

Sure its great for cerb in salvage, although you could just take mnk and clear the zone a lot faster, but I can't think of a single other instance where it will make any real difference. Arch Omega isn't a valid reason either since it can be solo DD'd in under 14mins (plenty of time to recast embrava during rasa, 14mins was a conservative duration) by a good Sam using a different weapon.

If I got the drop I would absolutely take the weapon, but its hard to put a much higher price on it unless you speculate on content that may come with the expansion.

Its good for any PLD NM, any mob with weapon resist, mode/stance mobs. Needed hell no, but nothing is needed. Extremely nice to have when applicable hell yes.

Like Arch-Omega, 14min vs 7min. Needed no, nice to have, yes. Same thing could be said about almost every Relic.

[Obsidian]

Cool, so youre attempting to justify an 85 million gil weapon for ONE fight in the entire game, which you compounded by demonstrating ignorance towards another fight you attempted to justify it on (Cerberus changes immunities). And you think im the idiot.

If you can point out the spot where I implied you were an idiot, please do, because it was unintentional if I did. I am, however, curious as to how I'm ignorant to Cerberus's damage resistance, because I fully understand how it works. Perhaps that one sentence was poorly constructed, but I don't think it's hard to infer what I meant by it. It's useful for more than Cerberus and Hydra; anything with physical damage resistance or weapon type resistance will benefit from having Mura. This includes, but is not limited to, Arch-Omega, Pil, both Cerbs, both Hydras, the caturae in Provenance, any Paladin... I'm not really trying to justify anything; I don't have one, and it isn't 85M on my server either.

All I said was it's occasionally useful, which it is.

Edit: Oh, there was another page to this thread already. Woops.

[NynJa]

I'm sure he thinks you are an idiot because you are calling it an 85 million gil weapon

Sorry, 70-75m, changes everything.

[Kidnoftle]

How is mura in Hall of Mul? I'd imagine that itd be pretty hot on botoli.

[Prothescar]

Muasamemaru worse than Formless Strikes? lolno. At the worst, they're even in the power of their utility. At the best, you'd have the SAM there instead of the MNK anyway. Bypassing things like a Botulus' PDT is an incredibly handy utility to have and is worth far more than 11~13m.

[Shenrien]

How can you say that Mura would be a beneficial weapon against a Hydra? Unless I'm mistaken the effect is only on weapon skills and your normal attacks are all the same, so him switching to Physical Shield would mean there is no benefit unless you have meditate up or were about to use your SP1 for some reason, you can't build TP you can't gain any benefit of the weapon at that point.

[NynJa]

Muasamemaru worse than Formless Strikes? lolno. At the worst, they're even in the power of their utility. At the best, you'd have the SAM there instead of the MNK anyway. Bypassing things like a Botulus' PDT is an incredibly handy utility to have and is worth far more than 11~13m.

From a buyer perspective, you need 5 of those. From a "It just appeared in my VW loot" perspective, I'd keep the weapon too, for obvious reasons. The sheer rarity of it and its (albeit marginal) utility makes it worth more in my inventory than the 13m gil.

This all started from

At least Mura is occasionally useful, unlike Coruscanti. Free 13M, anyway. Dunno if I'd cell one.

for the record

[mdkuser]

Stupid frog finally put something out.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...psc3088993.png

Spoiler: show

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...ps1559a763.png

[Fake]

Muasamemaru worse than Formless Strikes? lolno. At the worst, they're even in the power of their utility. At the best, you'd have the SAM there instead of the MNK anyway. Bypassing things like a Botulus' PDT is an incredibly handy utility to have and is worth far more than 11~13m.

Yes its worse than formless strikes if you're refering to Salvage. Mnk is already killing a lot faster than sam, and on hydra Sam can't get tp when shield is up (why would you save meditate/sp1 for shield when you can use it with shield down using a better weapon)

In regards to botulus, I'm guessing you are refering to legion. If so then the main reason it takes such little damage is its insane defense which Mura isn't helping with (yes it does have PDT as well, which is in part mitigated by tomahawk), Mura with red curry bun and hybrid gear is likely to be way off acc cap also so Amano is likely superior even with the PDT (unless you have one of the few groups that is maintaining 4 songs and 4 rolls during the entire run).

[Mairja]

I'll contribute to this Murasamemaru discussion by posting this:

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps719ff491.png


A niche piece, certainly. Worth the price tag? To me, yes most definitely. Shaving 30 mins off our first BRII run after it was finished - that alone made it worth it. If you use sam 99% of the time, have the money and can find the cells, then why not?

[IronPandemonium]

Yes its worse than formless strikes if you're refering to Salvage. Mnk is already killing a lot faster than sam

maybe if you're bad at this game sure; samurai can afk steadily mid-run repeatedly and still clear faster than a monk, just like how it could at 75 (meditate op pls nerf riot pls)

[shepardG]

I'll donate 20 bucks to the person(s) who actually fraps a salvage2 (br) and can time a MNK run vs. a SAM run and post it

[Kidnoftle]

Meh, I clear BR in the same time w/ mnk as I do with sam (90 vere and mura) using Whm/sch Thf/dnc Mnk/war or Sam/war. I normally end up with 15-25min left regardless.

[NynJa]

There were a couple parses posted in the salv2 thread, dunno if any of them included a mura sam. But honestly, as far as gloating about "full clearing", BhafII is the easiest by far.

[Kidnoftle]

No one was gloating. BRII is piss easy. The only place where I think there is a clear winner is fl1, sam just rapes through it much more quickly than mnk does. That being said, efficiency isn't really necessary, just sufficiency.

[NynJa]

Gloating wasnt the right word, just clamoring over whats better in a situation thats really not necessary.

[shaggnix]

about a week ago... up to this point i've had 0 rare VW drops, no pulse or secondary drops (the 1-2% ones), at all. i was a little late to the vw party, but i've been spamming pretty steadily over the last 5 months or so. then....
hahavax12 - lolbody (i don't play rng/cor) on #5, then mala on #12.
then did pil x12, thinking maybe my luck will hold and i can get those damn boots. toci's dropped for me on #2, and some dude got back to back tocis on #3 and 4. out of 12 kills 11 bodies dropped, 2 on the same kill. must have been something in the digital air. luck has since returned to <0.